Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?
He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?
He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?
Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?
I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.
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Post #562[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #561]
"A man of war" is a metaphor....our great God is not a man that can fit onto a tiny planet in our universe. He cannot take on puny flesh and subject himself to the indignities of life on this pin-prick of a planet. As King Solomon said to Jehovah: "Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you." (1 Kings 8:27)
Jesus was born a perfect man on this earth. He came to represent his Father, Jehovah. He acted and spoke just the way Jehovah told him to, and he was good with that. "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is in the bosom with the Father is the one that has explained Him." (John 1:18)
"A man of war" is a metaphor....our great God is not a man that can fit onto a tiny planet in our universe. He cannot take on puny flesh and subject himself to the indignities of life on this pin-prick of a planet. As King Solomon said to Jehovah: "Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you." (1 Kings 8:27)
Jesus was born a perfect man on this earth. He came to represent his Father, Jehovah. He acted and spoke just the way Jehovah told him to, and he was good with that. "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is in the bosom with the Father is the one that has explained Him." (John 1:18)
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Re: JESUS IS NOT YHWH
Post #567INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: JESUS IS NOT YHWH
Post #569[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #568]
Did anyone comment on Isaiah 61:1,2 yet? Sorry if I missed it. YHWH and Jesus are obviously two different, separate individuals. The Young's Literal Translation renders this scripture as follows, showing that to be true:
"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me, because Jehovah did anoint me to proclaim tidings to the humble...[etc.]" Jesus said that he was fulfilling this scripture himself---he is the one that Jehovah anointed and sent. (Luke 4:16-21)
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Did anyone comment on Isaiah 61:1,2 yet? Sorry if I missed it. YHWH and Jesus are obviously two different, separate individuals. The Young's Literal Translation renders this scripture as follows, showing that to be true:
"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me, because Jehovah did anoint me to proclaim tidings to the humble...[etc.]" Jesus said that he was fulfilling this scripture himself---he is the one that Jehovah anointed and sent. (Luke 4:16-21)
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