Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).
Was Paul delusional and hear voices?
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RESPONSE: Perhaps because you are asking two different questions.Tcg wrote:polonius wrote: Tcg of New Jersey posted:
RESPONSE: I have clearly proven my point (unless one is a fundamentalist who just has to believe otherwise). The existence of God was proven many many years before the Bible was written. But there are those who's belief system will not permit them to accept the obvious.You are the one who has presented an argument. It is one that you have failed to support. The opinion of the readers, whatever that may be, doesn't change the fact that you have made a claim you have failed to support.
Polonius from New Jersey also.
The question you were asked was this:
- On what basis do you accept as supernatural fact that the God the Bible speaks of exists?
You've yet to even attempt to address it.
Tcg
(1) First you are asking about a "supernatural fact." How do you define a "supernatural fact" and how do you prove any exist?
(2) Then you are asking if I believe that "the God of the Bible exists."
These are two different questions.

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Re: The logic of a first cause
Post #52[Replying to post 47 by polonius]
What "real evidence" does "reason" provide?Thus they are accepting the self-evident logic that if anything exists something had to always exist. Biblical evidence or no biblical evidence
Holy books were written later to support this point but they provide no real evidence themselves. Only reason does.
Re: The logic of a first cause
Post #53RESPONSE:Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 47 by polonius]
What "real evidence" does "reason" provide?Thus they are accepting the self-evident logic that if anything exists something had to always exist. Biblical evidence or no biblical evidence
Holy books were written later to support this point but they provide no real evidence themselves. Only reason does.
If something exists now, something always existed. Or something sprang from nothingness into existence. Does reason support that the nothingness to existence idea?
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Re: The logic of a first cause
Post #54So the "real evidence" that reason provides is that "something exists now".polonius wrote:RESPONSE:Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 47 by polonius]
What "real evidence" does "reason" provide?Thus they are accepting the self-evident logic that if anything exists something had to always exist. Biblical evidence or no biblical evidence
Holy books were written later to support this point but they provide no real evidence themselves. Only reason does.
If something exists now, something always existed. Or something sprang from nothingness into existence. Does reason support that the nothingness to existence idea?
How is it possible that "something always existed"?
As to your question, that is for you to answer by using your own "reason".
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Re: The logic of a first cause
Post #55"Proof" involves reason applied to evidence.Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 47 by polonius]
What "real evidence" does "reason" provide?Thus they are accepting the self-evident logic that if anything exists something had to always exist. Biblical evidence or no biblical evidence
Holy books were written later to support this point but they provide no real evidence themselves. Only reason does.
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