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Post #1Why Catholic Church say that The mystery of the Holy Trinity not impossibility to unravel. But I read one newspaper and found one internetsite where one man spoke that God is a Thought. Holy Spirit is Thinking. Christ is a Word or Action. Christ is a ultimate goal of contempliation of a thought. I think that is true.
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Post #451Since He was a "life-giving spirit," He also needed no flesh and bone!Ankh wrote:Because Jesus "poured out his life/soul" (the blood) he died in the flesh. But upon his resurrection he noted he was "flesh and bone"... why no mention of blood? Being that now "death has no more dominion over him" (Romans 6:9) he needed no blood to sustain him but was functioning by the Spirit, being that now he was a "life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45)
Ankh wrote:The "Holy Spirit" is simply God Himself. He is Holy (Lev. 11:44) and "Spirit" (John 4:24)
Myth wrote:If God is the Holy Spirit, how could He be in Heaven and on the earth at the same moment?
Why wouldn't Jesus have known that? His statement below states that the Comforter was not on the earth:Ankh wrote:God is everywhere; that is He is in all things, because the effect of His power (Spirit) is upon all things.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)
The wages of sin is the second death -- not the "first." I say that because all will be resurrected -- believers and nonbelievers. But only believers will be resurrected to everlasting life:Ankh wrote:And man's "death" due to sin would not have been just a "sleep" but permanent, had not Jesus came and gave himself a ransom for man. Thus, a resurrection for all, both the just and the unjust (Acts 24:15). Those who face "the second death," will face a point of no return. Christ died ONCE for sin. (Romans 6:10)
Since all will be resurrected, no one is saved from their first "death" due to Jesus' sacrifice. If that was the case, certainly Paul for example, would be alive today. The Bible says the first death is appointed unto all:Daniel 12:2 wrote:And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
So no man is protected from the first death. Jesus' sacrifice saves us from the second death:Hebrews 9:27 wrote:And as it is appointed unto men once to die, ...
The second death is the wages of sin and is permanent. Thus our first "death" is called sleep, slumber, or rest in the Bible. Rest in peace. The wages of death is not a rest period.Revelation 2:11 wrote: ... He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Good comments Ankh. Have a great week!

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Re: trinity
Post #452Perfect example of private interpretation.myth-one.com wrote:Why wouldn't Jesus have known that? His statement below states that the Comforter was not on the earth:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (Romans 6:10)
Where in that verse does it say
the Comforter was not on the earth?

It doesn't.
And Jesus claims otherwise.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Was Jesus not on the earth?
Jesus claimed to be the Spirit of truth dwelling with them.
Earlier in that chapter,
he also claimed to be the way, the truth and the life.
Jesus is the Lord from heaven.
Since you say that Jesus died againThe wages of sin is the second death -- not the "first." I say that because all will be resurrected -- believers and nonbelievers. But only believers will be resurrected to everlasting life:
after the resurrection,
when exactly did Jesus pay the penalty for sin?
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Post #453But Jesus spoke the following to the apostles shortly after his resurrection:InTheFlesh wrote:Jesus claims to be the Holy Comforter.
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)
Earlier, [url=http://myth-one.com]myth-one.com[/url] wrote:Are there two Comforters?
In reply, InTheFlesh wrote:There is only one.
myth-one.com wrote:Why wouldn't Jesus have known that?
Jesus is on the earth when He tells His disciples, “It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.� If Jesus is on the earth and He will send the Comforter to the disciples after His departure to Heaven, and there is only one Comforter, then the Comforter was not on the earth at the time Jesus made that statement.InTheFlesh wrote:Perfect example of private interpretation.
Where in that verse does it say
the Comforter was not on the earth?![]()
It doesn't.
While this verse that you quoted negates your previous claim that there is “only one� Comforter, I think it brings us closer to the truth.John 14:16 wrote:And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
It seems that there is one comforter on the earth serving Christians at any one time. The first comforter was Jesus. The present comforter is the Holy Ghost:
It is interesting that the word "Comforter" is not even used in other translations. For example:John 14:26 wrote:But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
========================================================================John 14:26 (New International Version, ©2010) wrote:But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
myth-one.com wrote:The wages of sin is the second death -- not the "first." I say that because all will be resurrected -- believers and nonbelievers. But only believers will be resurrected to everlasting life:
When He departed His resurrected natural body for all eternity never to be a man again. This had to occur sometime during His asention, but before His entry into Heaven as a spiritual being.InTheFlesh wrote:Since you say that Jesus died again
after the resurrection,
when exactly did Jesus pay the penalty for sin?
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Post #454
So the root of your argument is personal opinion?This had to occur sometime during His asention, but before His entry into Heaven as a spiritual being.
How is it that you have absolutely no scripture
to support any part of this made up event?
Why do you keep ignoring
all the scripture that corrects you?
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
The subject is the Spirit of truth.
The Spirit of truth dwelled with them.
The Spirit of truth shall be in them.
The Sprit of truth claimed,
I will come to you.
But you say there are two Comforters?
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This had to occur sometime during His asention, but before His entry into Heaven as a spiritual being.
As usual, I have to kinda guess at what you're trying to say.InTheFlesh wrote:Why do you keep ignoring
all the scripture that corrects you?
But the following verses which you quoted (perhaps from some book of the Bible) once again support my claim that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
How can you read that scripture and claim that Jesus and resurrected Christians will have natural bodies? If the Spirit of Truth cannot be seen, and dwelleth within us, the Spirit of truth is not physical. My claim as supported by scripture, that Jesus entered Heaven as a spiritual being remains unchallenged.[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
So how can the Spirit of Truth be physical? If the Spirit of Truth is Jesus, and Jesus is in Heaven, and will come back to us and dwell in us, how can He have a natural body? The Spirit of Truth is a spirit. So Jesus entered Heaven as a spirit! Right?InTheFlesh wrote:The subject is the Spirit of truth.
The Spirit of truth dwelled with them.
The Spirit of truth shall be in them.
The Sprit of truth claimed,
I will come to you.
Where?InTheFlesh wrote:But you say there are two Comforters?
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And as usual,As usual, I have to kinda guess at what you're trying to say.
you keep ignoring to provide scripture
to support this event that exists only in your mind.
Do you realize how long you have been asked
for scripture to support this fable?
Now you have me curious to the POST #
that you were originally asked for scripture.
From POST 76:
About 375 posts later,myth-one.com wrote:
After three days Jesus was resurrected as a human into a physical world. About forty days after that He was changed to a spirit and taken away into the spiritual world, because He could not enter the Kingdom of Heaven with a physical body.
Katzur wrote: I'm sorry, but I simply cannot buy that. Where on earth is your evidence that He was changed to a spirit? It certainly doesn't say that in the Bible.
and you still have not come up with it.
I wonder why?

huh?So how can the Spirit of Truth be physical? If the Spirit of Truth is Jesus, and Jesus is in Heaven, and will come back to us and dwell in us, how can He have a natural body? The Spirit of Truth is a spirit. So Jesus entered Heaven as a spirit! Right?
Haven't you heard that God is a Spirit?
Haven't you heard that God was manifest InTheFlesh?
Jesus is the Word that was made flesh.
TRY TO FOCUS
and provide scripture
like you were asked in POST 76?
Please don't say
flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.
This does not support that Jesus was "changed"
after his resurrection.
You make this claim based on the false assumption
that Jesus was raised as a natural man.
He is the second man,
which is the Lord from heaven.
Are you clear on what I'm trying to say now?
And where is the scripture that the man
Christ Jesus died again after the resurrection?

This debate has been going back and forth
but this debate has been far from competitive
because you fail to support MOST of your claims.

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myth-one.com wrote:After three days Jesus was resurrected as a human into a physical world. About forty days after that He was changed to a spirit and taken away into the spiritual world, because He could not enter the Kingdom of Heaven with a physical body.
Actually it does state that in the Bible:Katzpur wrote:I'm sorry, but I simply cannot buy that. Where on earth is your evidence that He was changed to a spirit? It certainly doesn't say that in the Bible.
1) Two body types are described in the Bible -- natural and spiritual:
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)
2) Jesus was resurrected as a natural bodied man:
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)
3) But mankind cannot inherit the Kingdom of God as natural bodies:
4) Shortly after His resurrection as a human, Jesus ascended to Heaven, part of the Kingdom of Heaven:Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; (I Corinthians 15:50)
5) Jesus was resurrected as a human and later ascended into heaven. He had to have been changed into a spiritual being, because as stated above flesh and blood cannot enter there, and:Luke 24:51 wrote:And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Just as The Word was made flesh to dwell among us:And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (I Corinthians 15:49)
Jesus had to be changed into a spirit to reenter Heaven:John 1:14 wrote:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
John 3:6 wrote:That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:48 wrote:As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
The man Jesus Christ set the example by being the first man to be changed into a spiritual body!Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. (I Corinthians 15:51)
All mankind are born with the possibility of having two births. The first birth is a physical birth as man or woman, the second possible birth is being born of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God.
So to enter the Kingdom of God, we must first be born into mankind, then we must be born again into the spiritual world of God:1 Corinthians 15:47 () wrote:The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
Conclusion: The only way Jesus or any human (man or woman) can enter the Kingdom of God is by becoming a spirit!Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)
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myth-one.com wrote:So how can the Spirit of Truth be physical? If the Spirit of Truth is Jesus, and Jesus is in Heaven, and will come back to us and dwell in us, how can He have a natural body? The Spirit of Truth is a spirit. So Jesus entered Heaven as a spirit! Right?
Sure, I'm the one that told you that fact back in post #446 on page 45:InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard that God is a Spirit?
You're the one trying to make the Son of God and Christians resurrected to everlasting life in the Kingdom of Heaven -- men and women. I assume you include women, even though you refer to the masculine gender only.John 4:24 wrote:God is a Spirit: . . .
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Debates are supposed to go back and forth. But the reason in this case is not because I failed to support my claims with scripture.InTheFlesh wrote:This debate has been going back and forth
but this debate has been far from competitive
because you fail to support MOST of your claims.
I've supported them again above. Most of the above comments were included in my response to Katzspur on page 9 in posting #81.
I have laid out scriptural sources for each of five steps (printed in RED above) which prove that Jesus was changed into a spiritual body before entering Heaven.
If you disagree on any item, please identify the item number as 1-5, state your counter claim, and provide scripture in support of your claim.
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Post #458Greetings and Good Morning Myth,
After a full week of in-depth study I'm back aboard in our debate.
Ankh
After a full week of in-depth study I'm back aboard in our debate.
Ankh wrote:Because Jesus "poured out his life/soul" (the blood) he died in the flesh. But upon his resurrection he noted he was "flesh and bone"... why no mention of blood? Being that now "death has no more dominion over him" (Romans 6:9) he needed no blood to sustain him but was functioning by the Spirit, being that now he was a "life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45)
You're right Myth... Jesus needed no flesh and bone since upon his resurrection he was now a "quickening spirit," but he appeared as a "flesh and bone" man in order to assure his disciples that he has indeed risen from the dead. Had Jesus ascended to heaven immediately AFTER his resurrection the stunned and bewildered disciples would have had no assurance of Christ's resurrection. They would have found it impossible to go out and tell people that he had risen from the dead when they had no proof to this effect.myth wrote:Since He was a "life-giving spirit," He also needed no flesh and bone!
Ankh wrote:The "Holy Spirit" is simply God Himself. He is Holy (Lev. 11:44) and "Spirit" (John 4:24)
Myth wrote:If God is the Holy Spirit, how could He be in Heaven and on the earth at the same moment?
Ankh wrote:God is everywhere; that is He is in all things, because the effect of His power (Spirit) is upon all things.
Myth, Jesus states in John 14:26 this...myth wrote:Why wouldn't Jesus have known that? His statement below states that the Comforter was not on the earth:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)
Here Jesus identifies the "Comforter" as the "Holy Spirit." Now that Spirit was already here on earth, and Jesus makes this fact very obvious when he says in Matthew 12:28 this..."But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit..."
Again, since God is everywhere His Spirit is present everywhere."But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, the the Kingdom of God is come upon you."
"Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." (Psalms 139:7-8)
Ankh wrote:And man's "death" due to sin would not have been just a "sleep" but permanent, had not Jesus came and gave himself a ransom for man. Thus, a resurrection for all, both the just and the unjust (Acts 24:15). Those who face "the second death," will face a point of no return. Christ died ONCE for sin. (Romans 6:10)
Here Myth I am going to argue the opposite. The "wages of sin" are tied in with the "first death" of mankind. I say that because the whole human race is under condemnation because of the transgression of father Adam who upon his transgression introduced sin into the world and that sin brought death. As a result death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned. And being that each of us have sinned, transgressed God's Holy Laws, the wages for that transgression is ~ DEATH. That "death" would have been "eternal death" had it not been for the ransom sacrifice of the lord Jesus Christ. This is "the wages of sin" that he died ONCE unto. He delivered us from this "eternal death" sentence. How do I know... cause there will be a resurrection for all.myth wrote:The wages of sin is the second death -- not the "first." I say that because all will be resurrected -- believers and nonbelievers. But only believers will be resurrected to everlasting life:
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:22)
Myth, this is precisely why there is a general resurrection for all... because we were saved from our first death (eternal death) due to our sin.myth wrote:"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2)
Since all will be resurrected, no one is saved from their first "death" due to Jesus' sacrifice...
Had not Jesus come and given himself a ransom for all, we would have remained DEAD forever."The soul that sinneth, it shall die." (Ezekiel 18:20)
This is why he is SAVIOUR!"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" (John 11:25)
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." (1 John 4:14)
Jesus' giving of his humanity has saved us from our initial death, which would have resulted in "eternal death." Though it is appointed unto men "once to die," cause of sin, the beauty of it is we will not remain dead, because of what Jesus did. He layed down "his life" (his human crown of glory), that we might have life.myth wrote:~(Hebrews 9:27)"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, ..."
So no man is protected from the first death. Jesus' sacrifice saves us from the second death:
Myth continues..."The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)
No human can come under the condemnation of the "second death," except that he/her first be "made alive" from the death in Adam. He/her who comes to this "second death" will be the result of "wilful disobedience" from which there is no more sacrifice. Once one is given the additional sentence of the second death, there is no sacrifice for such.Revelation 2:11 wrote: ... He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
The second death is the wages of sin and is permanent. Thus our first "death" is called sleep, slumber, or rest in the Bible. Rest in peace. The wages of death is not a rest period.
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26)
Good day and God bless."For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." (Hebrews 7:26-27)

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Post #459Ankh wrote:Because Jesus "poured out his life/soul" (the blood) he died in the flesh. But upon his resurrection he noted he was "flesh and bone"... why no mention of blood? Being that now "death has no more dominion over him" (Romans 6:9) he needed no blood to sustain him but was functioning by the Spirit, being that now he was a "life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45)
myth wrote:Since He was a "life-giving spirit," He also needed no flesh and bone!
Can you quote one scripture which states that Jesus was resurrected as a "quickening spirit?" Jesus Himself claims that He was not a spirit upon His resurrection:Ankh wrote:You're right Myth... Jesus needed no flesh and bone since upon his resurrection he was now a "quickening spirit," ...
If He was not a spirit, He could not be a "quickening spirit!" Was He wrong?Luke 24:39 wrote:Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
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Ankh wrote:Myth, Jesus states in John 14:26 this...
"But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit..."
Ankh wrote:Here Jesus identifies the "Comforter" as the "Holy Spirit." Now that Spirit was already here on earth, and Jesus makes this fact very obvious when he says in Matthew 12:28 this...
So was Jesus wrong, confused, or misquoted in John 16:7:Matthew 12:28 wrote:But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, the the Kingdom of God is come upon you.
=====================================================================John 16:7 wrote:Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
myth wrote:The wages of sin is the second death -- not the "first.
If all will live again after our first death, then is the first death really a death? If the Second Coming occurs next year, and you ask one of the Apostles if he is dead, he will say no. If he is not dead after the resurrection, was he ever really dead?Ankh wrote:Here Myth I am going to argue the opposite. The "wages of sin" are tied in with the "first death" of mankind. I say that because the whole human race is under condemnation because of the transgression of father Adam who upon his transgression introduced sin into the world and that sin brought death.
This is why our first "death" is not called death in the scriptures, but sleep, slumber, or rest. If we were like cats with "nine lives," then our only true death would be our ninth death. Every natural body dies once:
If one lives again, they were not dead.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/death wrote:Death: a permanent cessation of all vital functions : the end of life
Just suppose that you are correct and Jesus' sacrifice paid the wages of sin for all of mankind's first death. Since sin is always possibly, even in the Kingdom of Heaven, all of us would still be under the risk of sinning and dying in the future -- and we would have already received our "free pass." So there would never be a guarantee of everlasting life as the scripture promises:Ankh wrote:As a result death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned. And being that each of us have sinned, transgressed God's Holy Laws, the wages for that transgression is ~ DEATH. That "death" would have been "eternal death" had it not been for the ransom sacrifice of the lord Jesus Christ. This is "the wages of sin" that he died ONCE unto. He delivered us from this "eternal death" sentence. How do I know... cause there will be a resurrection for all.
====================================================================For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
Revelation 2:11 wrote: ... He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
myth-one wrote:The second death is the wages of sin and is permanent. Thus our first "death" is called sleep, slumber, or rest in the Bible. Rest in peace. The wages of death is not a rest period.
That's correct.Ankh wrote:No human can come under the condemnation of the "second death," except that he/her first be "made alive" from the death in Adam.
So all of us will perish in the second death -- believers and nonbelievers. It's only a matter of time because all have sinned in the past, and all will surely sin again, and the wages of sin would then be the second and permanent death.He/her who comes to this "second death" will be the result of "wilful disobedience" from which there is no more sacrifice. Once one is given the additional sentence of the second death, there is no sacrifice for such.
And under this logic, it makes no difference how many "free passes" we might have. Even if we had a million "free pass" sacrificers, we would eventually end up at that last final and permanent true death -- thanks to our sinful nature, freedom of choice, and the wages of sin being death.
It's all futility!

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Let's see if the bible says it or NOT!myth-one.com wrote:After three days Jesus was resurrected as a human into a physical world. About forty days after that He was changed to a spirit and taken away into the spiritual world, because He could not enter the Kingdom of Heaven with a physical body.Actually it does state that in the Bible:Katzpur wrote:I'm sorry, but I simply cannot buy that. Where on earth is your evidence that He was changed to a spirit? It certainly doesn't say that in the Bible.
Here are your quotes...
1) Two body types are described in the Bible -- natural and spiritual:
Yes, body types.
Not being types.
Again, I doubt anyone disagrees that there are 2 body types.There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)
No, he did not.2) Jesus was resurrected as a natural bodied man:
Please provide scripture.
These scriptures teach
that at the resurrection,
we will be raised with a spiritual body,
not a natural body as you claim Jesus did.
Somewhere in the Bible God wrote:[35] But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
[37] And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
[38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
[39] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
[41] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Here Jesus claims that he is a man.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)
Keep in mind that you have yet to provide scripture
to support your theory that Jesus ever changed
from man to a spirit.
One should wonder that if Jesus rose as a natural man,
why did the disciples think they "saw" a spirit?
Who has claimed otherwise?3) But mankind cannot inherit the Kingdom of God as natural bodies:
Agreed.Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; (I Corinthians 15:50)
Yes, and the way they "saw" him go into the clouds,Luke 24:51 wrote:And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
he will return the same way.
So if the man Christ Jesus died,(as you claim)
how could he return the same way?
Did they not watch him ascend to the sky?
Will he not be "seen" returning?
Is this what you call sound doctrine?5) Jesus was resurrected as a human and later ascended into heaven. He had to have been changed into a spiritual being, because as stated above flesh and blood cannot enter there, and:
Flesh and blood did not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Yes, and JesusJust as The Word was made flesh to dwell among us:And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (I Corinthians 15:49)
is the second man from heaven.
So if he had flesh and bone,
we will as well.
Once again, is this what you call sound doctrine?Jesus had to be changed into a spirit to reenter Heaven:John 1:14 wrote:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
According to your interpretation logic,John 3:6 wrote:That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
being born of the flesh
would be just a piece of flesh
not a man.
Jesus is the second man from heaven.1 Corinthians 15:48 wrote:As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And he himself claimed that he was a man,
not a spirit as you claim.
You are comparing apples with oranges.Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. (I Corinthians 15:51)
The man Jesus Christ set the example by being the first man to be changed into a spiritual body!
This verse applies to those of us
who will not taste death InTheFlesh.
Not the case with Jesus.
After the resurrection,
we will not be changed again
as you claim happened to Jesus.
At the resurrection, (second birth)All mankind are born with the possibility of having two births. The first birth is a physical birth as man or woman, the second possible birth is being born of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God.
Jesus claimed he had flesh and bone.
Jesus was not born of the dust,So to enter the Kingdom of God, we must first be born into mankind, then we must be born again into the spiritual world of God:1 Corinthians 15:47 () wrote:The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
he's the 2nd man from heaven.
At the resurrection,
we will be like him.
Jesus was born again after death with flesh and bone.Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)
Being born of water and of the Spirit is the second birth.
The water represents being born by the Word of God.
Once again,Conclusion: The only way Jesus or any human (man or woman) can enter the Kingdom of God is by becoming a spirit!
is this what you call biblical proof?
Sounds like myth to me.

Well your assumption is incorrect.You're the one trying to make the Son of God and Christians resurrected to everlasting life in the Kingdom of Heaven -- men and women. I assume you include women, even though you refer to the masculine gender only.
At the resurrection,
we will neither be male or female.
We will all become sons of God.
You did not prove your claimI have laid out scriptural sources for each of five steps (printed in RED above) which prove that Jesus was changed into a spiritual body before entering Heaven.
that Jesus changed to a spirit.
None of the verses you quoted
say Jesus changed from man to spirit.
Actually, they say the opposite.
According to myth,1Tim.2
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
our mediator is dead.
We should all be thankful that myth is wrong.
Pss.150
[6] Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
[6] Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.