Must we keep the 10 commandments to be saved

[DansingWall]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

[r~]

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I didn't understand the harassment thing... but any way, i do agree with you that we should forgive others as we would like God to forgive us- that is Biblical, even in the Lord's prayer.
But if you are disagreeing with the last quote you posted you are disagreeing not with men but with the Bible. I'll copy and paste it just in case you didn't see the verse.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Simply ask a gay if they have ever been harassed by 'religious types'. Whether you accept or understand it not, sinners are still harassed and punished even in this day and age.

I confess. I do not idolatrize the Bible or any Holy Word or Symbol or Image.
Please allow me to cut and paste my answer again that you might once more try to better understand the spirit of Christ.

God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger.

Alas, even Words of Bible are easily shown to be but images of God recorded by man. Thou shall not worship image of god or heaven. It is thus that god's greatest commandment is broken even in claim of righteous exaltation.

You break god's greatest commandments with your idolatry; you take god's name in vain. Please tell me what 'god's finger' says We should do with blasphemers.

I am
ItS
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[r~]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
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[josefcorrealima]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
r~

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

[byofrcs]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
r~

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

Hear hear, in Deuteronomy 22:11 it says, and I quote, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

Now I don't know about you people but for me that's the truth because it would be hell to dryclean.

But it gets better for in Deuteronomy 22:20 (and I quotemine) "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: "....(why do they miss these bit out at Sunday school ? Why do they cherry-pick and leave this out ?)....

22:21 "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Way to go huh ? OK, maybe it just applies to Jewish Princesses but if the Bible is the truth then that's the goddamned truth, I mean is that the truth or is that the truth or what ?.

<sarcasm/>

What ?.

[josefcorrealima]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
r~

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

Hear hear, in Deuteronomy 22:11 it says, and I quote, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

Now I don't know about you people but for me that's the truth because it would be hell to dryclean.

But it gets better for in Deuteronomy 22:20 (and I quotemine) "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: "....(why do they miss these bit out at Sunday school ? Why do they cherry-pick and leave this out ?)....

22:21 "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Way to go huh ? OK, maybe it just applies to Jewish Princesses but if the Bible is the truth then that's the goddamned truth, I mean is that the truth or is that the truth or what ?.

<sarcasm/>

What ?.

Just because God administered the truth differently in the Old Testament does not mean it is irrelevant to us now. God is a God of justice (OT). He is also a God of forgiveness (NT). God never changes.

With that said, who am I to question God for dealing harshly with those who deserved death in the first place?

If God strikes me down right now for sinning please don't question His love. He has a reason for everything, and as you know the wages of sin is death. He would be justified in killing me, although I pray He doesn't... lol

But you get what I'm saying... lets not question God's way of dealing with us as different peoples or even individuals. He knows best.

I think you know very well to whom these verses apply. If we were to follow that literally today we'd be going against the example of Jesus.

Not so sure about the garment of diverse sorts though... maybe back then it was difficult to dryclean also...

[byofrcs]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
r~

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

Hear hear, in Deuteronomy 22:11 it says, and I quote, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

Now I don't know about you people but for me that's the truth because it would be hell to dryclean.

But it gets better for in Deuteronomy 22:20 (and I quotemine) "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: "....(why do they miss these bit out at Sunday school ? Why do they cherry-pick and leave this out ?)....

22:21 "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Way to go huh ? OK, maybe it just applies to Jewish Princesses but if the Bible is the truth then that's the goddamned truth, I mean is that the truth or is that the truth or what ?.

<sarcasm/>

What ?.

[josefcorrealima]

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you read something in a Holy Book does not make it true. I never said Heaven would be found only on Earth.

Please, no more straw men. Please do not embarrass yourself because you do not understand the spirit I serve.

ItS
Peace
r~

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

Hear hear, in Deuteronomy 22:11 it says, and I quote, "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

Now I don't know about you people but for me that's the truth because it would be hell to dryclean.

But it gets better for in Deuteronomy 22:20 (and I quotemine) "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: "....(why do they miss these bit out at Sunday school ? Why do they cherry-pick and leave this out ?)....

22:21 "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Way to go huh ? OK, maybe it just applies to Jewish Princesses but if the Bible is the truth then that's the goddamned truth, I mean is that the truth or is that the truth or what ?.

<sarcasm/>

What ?.

One more thing, maybe they didn't give you the whole truth because you went to SUNDAY school...

Maybe you should try going to SABBATH school... 0_-

[bernee51]

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So every word in the bible is true because if says so in the bible.

Do you realize what a gross error this is?

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

I have always maintained that when the student is ready the teacher will come.

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Yeah - Paul said a lot - especially about his self hatred and hatred of women. I don't hold Paul to be a role model.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

Sorry - you are wrong. It may have some truth in it, but TRUTH it certainly isn't.

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

The only spirit that can be served is spirit.

Which begs the question, do you have any idea, in your own words, what spirit is?

[r~]

Every word from the Bible is true.

The spirit of truth transcends any and all holy books. Not all of your Holy Words of Bible hold true to the testament god alone wrote in heaven and earth and flesh. Even the most Holy of Words of Bible are but an image of god; recorded by the image of god (man).

Alas, it seems the concept of idolatry hides beyond your view.

Thou shall not worship (hold infallible) an engraved (written) image of god; not even your Holy Bible.

ItS
Truth
r~

[josefcorrealima]

Every word from the Bible is true.

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16:

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So every word in the bible is true because if says so in the bible.

Do you realize what a gross error this is?

The Bible also says in 2 Timothy 4:3:

‘For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their OWN DESIRES, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.’

are you one of these teachers?

I have always maintained that when the student is ready the teacher will come.

Finally, Romans 16:17 says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Yeah - Paul said a lot - especially about his self hatred and hatred of women. I don't hold Paul to be a role model.

With that said, the Bible = Truth

Sorry - you are wrong. It may have some truth in it, but TRUTH it certainly isn't.

And I would not want to understand the spirit you serve if it isn't the Spirit of Truth.

The only spirit that can be served is spirit.

Which begs the question, do you have any idea, in your own words, what spirit is?

Well, thanx for your response... and with all due respect, I have to disagree with just about everything you said.

To answer your question, the Spirit of Truth = The Holy Spirit. Any other spirit is from the evil one. As the Bible says: Satan is the father of lies. And w/e is not true is....? You guessed it.

The Bible also distinguishes between TWO different spirits and encourages us to test them.

I am not arguing or debating for my own beliefs but for the Bible. If anyone would like to disprove me, do it from the Bible.

In the case that you do not believe in the Bible then I don't have much to tell you.

But I do know that God knows our hearts and just the mere fact that we are all members on this website has to say something right? Hopefully...






Finally, I'd like to say that I do agree with the title of this discussion.

According to the Bible, we are expected to keep the Ten Commandments.

But all in all, we are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH in Jesus our God who died for our sins.



On top of that, what about the thief that was crucified next to Jesus who repented right after his death and was saved??

Any responses?