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Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

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Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post
Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.
I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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EBA wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:39 pm For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD (yehôvâh) of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. (Isa 54:5)

Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. (Mar 1:24)

I [am] the LORD (yehôvâh), your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. (Isa 43:15)

But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; (Act 3:14)

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (hades), neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Act 2:27)

Peace.
Seems undeniable to me.
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Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:16 am Seems undeniable to me.
It is. But there are those that certainly will deny it.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat 7:22-23)

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[Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Jesus is not God, and he didn't make it up that he is the bridegroom. Jehovah is called the husband of Israel, God Almighty, and Jesus is the bridegroom of all anointed Christians because he is the means by which Jehovah could conclude an agreement with spiritual Israelites and the bride of Christ. "Like Father, like Son" is the catch phrase here. Jesus reflected the truths concerning his Father who is God Almighty. (Colossians 1:15)

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:01 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Jesus is not God, and he didn't make it up that he is the bridegroom. Jehovah is called the husband of Israel, God Almighty, and Jesus is the bridegroom of all anointed Christians because he is the means by which Jehovah could conclude an agreement with spiritual Israelites and the bride of Christ. "Like Father, like Son" is the catch phrase here. Jesus reflected the truths concerning his Father who is God Almighty. (Colossians 1:15)
Oh right, multiple bridegroom and husbands and now you have the father marrying the bride.
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Wootah wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:01 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Jesus is not God, and he didn't make it up that he is the bridegroom. Jehovah is called the husband of Israel, God Almighty, and Jesus is the bridegroom of all anointed Christians because he is the means by which Jehovah could conclude an agreement with spiritual Israelites and the bride of Christ. "Like Father, like Son" is the catch phrase here. Jesus reflected the truths concerning his Father who is God Almighty. (Colossians 1:15)
Oh right, multiple bridegroom and husbands and now you have the father marrying the bride.
Jehovah was married to the nation of Israel.

Jesus is promised in marriage , not to the fleshly nation of Israel but to the Christian congregation.
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Wootah wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:01 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Jesus is not God, and he didn't make it up that he is the bridegroom. Jehovah is called the husband of Israel, God Almighty, and Jesus is the bridegroom of all anointed Christians because he is the means by which Jehovah could conclude an agreement with spiritual Israelites and the bride of Christ. "Like Father, like Son" is the catch phrase here. Jesus reflected the truths concerning his Father who is God Almighty. (Colossians 1:15)
Oh right, multiple bridegroom and husbands and now you have the father marrying the bride.
Not so. And Jesus is the reflection of God Almighty. So it's not unusual that he would be a husband to the Bride, as Jehovah was husband to Israel. BTW, Jehovah is not husband to literal Israel any more since they as a whole rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

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Wootah wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:37 am
Oh right, multiple bridegroom and husbands and now you have the father marrying the bride.
No, that would be you. You say because the Father was married and the son is engaged , Father and Son must be the same. If you were to tell your Father you just proposed marriage to a woman, would he presume you intend to marry your own MOTHER?

Sons dont usually marry their own mothers , even in metaphor- land. (Unless they are the fictional false incestuous gods of Greek and Rome). Obviously Jehovah's "wife" and Jesus promised "bride" are different "women".
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Wootah wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:49 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:33 pm 1. Some titles are shared by both the Father and the Son; this does not make them equal in age , rank or authority.

2. Jesus refers to himself as "the bridegroom" (of the anointed congregation of Christians ) not "the husband" (of the nation if Israel).
Then who is he the bride groom to?
"He" who? Who are you asking about: Jesus or Jehovah?
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If the church is the bride, who is the bridegroom?
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OK who is the Father's bride and who is Jesus bride? Is this JW theology?
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