Jesus is God and Why !

[Brightfame52]

Matt 19:16-26

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! Notice vs 17 As the young man had addressed Jesus as good, and Jesus responded accordingly, why callest thou me good, for none is good but ONE, that One Being God

Now , notice Jesus did not say, none is good but One and that is my Father, but He said that One, Being God !

Now if Jesus by this is not insinuating that He is God, then the alternative is that He was not good, seeing He just said only ONE, not Two, but ONLY ONE is good.

Now, if Jesus was not good, being that He was not the Only One Good God, then His commanding him, the young ruler, in order to be perfect, that he must go sell all his possessions, then give to the poor, and follow Him; Such an commandment exposed that the young man loved his possessions above God, which was a violation of the very first commandment, now if Jesus was not God, then the young mans refusal to obey and follow Jesus, could not be a proper standard to gauge his Love to God !

For there could not have been nothing amiss about not making such a great sacrifice as that Jesus told him, and then following Him if the One speaking was not the One God, who Only was good !

[Brightfame52]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

[1213]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number !

Why do you think so?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to 1213 in post #42]

I just stated why. Why do you question it ?

[myth-one.com]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

If Jesus was also God, then He could not die! So your definition of Jesus allows Him to accomplish nothing.

The Word could have done what Jesus did if He was a Jewish human. But the Word was neither!

Thus the Word became both a human and a Jew when He was "made flesh" as the man Jesus Christ.

By becoming a man, He could die. And by being born as a Jewish man, Jesus became a party to the original faulted covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

That created the conditions by which Jesus could save mankind.

He does so by living a sinless human life under the original covenant, and therefore becoming the only human to earn an inheritance of everlasting life under that covenant.

God then allows Jesus to give His just inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant. Thus, salvation becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard that?

Yada, yada, yada. You've heard it all before as it is written in the scriptures. You did not believe it then, and you will probably not believe it now.

You're happy with the human sacrifice bit. But you've never explained how someone appointed to die their first death can also be a sacrifice for other persons. It's kinda like someone on death row also paying the penalty for everyone else on death row by his execution.

Anyways, the wages for human sins is the second death when they are cast into the lake of fire. The wages for sin is not our appointed first death. Is crucifixion and being cast into the lake of fire equivalents?

Jesus' death on the cross gained Him an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant between God and the nation of Israel. We are saved by His sinless life through His gifting His inheritance to those who believe in Him. His first death directly saved no one. It fulfilled His appointed death due to His being a human, it earned Him an inheritance, and allowed for the creation of a new covenant to replace the original faulted covenant.

Oh well, it's only scripture.

[Brightfame52]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

If Jesus was also God, then He could not die! So your definition of Jesus allows Him to accomplish nothing.

The Word could have done what Jesus did if He was a Jewish human. But the Word was neither!

Thus the Word became both a human and a Jew when He was "made flesh" as the man Jesus Christ.

By becoming a man, He could die. And by being born as a Jewish man, Jesus became a party to the original faulted covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

That created the conditions by which Jesus could save mankind.

He does so by living a sinless human life under the original covenant, and therefore becoming the only human to earn an inheritance of everlasting life under that covenant.

God then allows Jesus to give His just inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant. Thus, salvation becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard that?

Yada, yada, yada. You've heard it all before as it is written in the scriptures. You did not believe it then, and you will probably not believe it now.

You're happy with the human sacrifice bit. But you've never explained how someone appointed to die their first death can also be a sacrifice for other persons. It's kinda like someone on death row also paying the penalty for everyone else on death row by his execution.

Anyways, the wages for human sins is the second death when they are cast into the lake of fire. The wages for sin is not our appointed first death. Is crucifixion and being cast into the lake of fire equivalents?

Jesus' death on the cross gained Him an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant between God and the nation of Israel. We are saved by His sinless life through His gifting His inheritance to those who believe in Him. His first death directly saved no one. It fulfilled His appointed death due to His being a human, it earned Him an inheritance, and allowed for the creation of a new covenant to replace the original faulted covenant.

Oh well, it's only scripture.

Jesus dies as a Man, though He is God

[Brightfame52]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

If Jesus was also God, then He could not die! So your definition of Jesus allows Him to accomplish nothing.

The Word could have done what Jesus did if He was a Jewish human. But the Word was neither!

Thus the Word became both a human and a Jew when He was "made flesh" as the man Jesus Christ.

By becoming a man, He could die. And by being born as a Jewish man, Jesus became a party to the original faulted covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

That created the conditions by which Jesus could save mankind.

He does so by living a sinless human life under the original covenant, and therefore becoming the only human to earn an inheritance of everlasting life under that covenant.

God then allows Jesus to give His just inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant. Thus, salvation becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard that?

Yada, yada, yada. You've heard it all before as it is written in the scriptures. You did not believe it then, and you will probably not believe it now.

You're happy with the human sacrifice bit. But you've never explained how someone appointed to die their first death can also be a sacrifice for other persons. It's kinda like someone on death row also paying the penalty for everyone else on death row by his execution.

Anyways, the wages for human sins is the second death when they are cast into the lake of fire. The wages for sin is not our appointed first death. Is crucifixion and being cast into the lake of fire equivalents?

Jesus' death on the cross gained Him an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant between God and the nation of Israel. We are saved by His sinless life through His gifting His inheritance to those who believe in Him. His first death directly saved no one. It fulfilled His appointed death due to His being a human, it earned Him an inheritance, and allowed for the creation of a new covenant to replace the original faulted covenant.

Oh well, it's only scripture.

The Man Jesus had to be God in order to satisfy the Justice and Holiness of the Eternal God, for no mere Man could do that, And He had to satisfy Justice of God for a number of people that no man can number, so His Blood must need be of infinite value. Thats why Jesus is the Wisdom of God ! How can Jesus be the Wisdom of God, and the Power of God, and not be God ? 1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

[myth-one.com]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

If Jesus was also God, then He could not die! So your definition of Jesus allows Him to accomplish nothing.

The Word could have done what Jesus did if He was a Jewish human. But the Word was neither!

Thus the Word became both a human and a Jew when He was "made flesh" as the man Jesus Christ.

By becoming a man, He could die. And by being born as a Jewish man, Jesus became a party to the original faulted covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

That created the conditions by which Jesus could save mankind.

He does so by living a sinless human life under the original covenant, and therefore becoming the only human to earn an inheritance of everlasting life under that covenant.

God then allows Jesus to give His just inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant. Thus, salvation becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard that?

Yada, yada, yada. You've heard it all before as it is written in the scriptures. You did not believe it then, and you will probably not believe it now.

You're happy with the human sacrifice bit. But you've never explained how someone appointed to die their first death can also be a sacrifice for other persons. It's kinda like someone on death row also paying the penalty for everyone else on death row by his execution.

Anyways, the wages for human sins is the second death when they are cast into the lake of fire. The wages for sin is not our appointed first death. Is crucifixion and being cast into the lake of fire equivalents?

Jesus' death on the cross gained Him an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant between God and the nation of Israel. We are saved by His sinless life through His gifting His inheritance to those who believe in Him. His first death directly saved no one. It fulfilled His appointed death due to His being a human, it earned Him an inheritance, and allowed for the creation of a new covenant to replace the original faulted covenant.

Oh well, it's only scripture.

The Man Jesus had to be God in order to satisfy the Justice and Holiness of the Eternal God, for no mere Man could do that, And He had to satisfy Justice of God for a number of people that no man can number, so His Blood must need be of infinite value. Thats why Jesus is the Wisdom of God ! How can Jesus be the Wisdom of God, and the Power of God, and not be God ? 1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If Jesus paid the wages for our sins, why do we still die?

[Peterlag]

Something that is openly admitted by theologians that is not known by many Christians is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in the Bible, but is actually “built” by piecing together statements that are said to support it. Since most Christians believe the Trinity is a mystery and not to be understood is a huge reason why doctrinal discussions about it are often avoided or brushed aside and ignored. Worse, the teaching that the Trinity is a “mystery” has been used as a club to beat down doubters and dissenters, and those people are often branded as “heretics” and their role in Christianity minimized.

The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, and that is supporting evidence that the doctrine is unbiblical, which may be why Trinitarians differ, sometimes greatly in their definitions of the Trinity. The Eastern Orthodox Church differs from the Western Church on the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son. Trinitarians who hold to the “classic” definition of the Trinity say Jesus was 100% God and 100% man while on the earth believe differently from Kenotic Trinitarians who believe Jesus set aside his godhood while he was a man on the earth. Oneness Pentecostals say the classic formula of the Trinity is completely wrong, and yet all these claim that Christ is God and that the Bible supports their position.

A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.

It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Peterlag in post #48]
You made that post to be your own thread OP.
I answered there:
viewtopic.php?p=1086358#p1086358

[Brightfame52]

If Jesus Christ in another Nature was not also God, then it would render His Sacrifice ineffective and not worthy of Satisfying the Law and Justice of a Perfect Holy God for a multitude of sinners that No man can number ! 28

If Jesus was also God, then He could not die! So your definition of Jesus allows Him to accomplish nothing.

The Word could have done what Jesus did if He was a Jewish human. But the Word was neither!

Thus the Word became both a human and a Jew when He was "made flesh" as the man Jesus Christ.

By becoming a man, He could die. And by being born as a Jewish man, Jesus became a party to the original faulted covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

That created the conditions by which Jesus could save mankind.

He does so by living a sinless human life under the original covenant, and therefore becoming the only human to earn an inheritance of everlasting life under that covenant.

God then allows Jesus to give His just inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant. Thus, salvation becomes a gift of God through Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard that?

Yada, yada, yada. You've heard it all before as it is written in the scriptures. You did not believe it then, and you will probably not believe it now.

You're happy with the human sacrifice bit. But you've never explained how someone appointed to die their first death can also be a sacrifice for other persons. It's kinda like someone on death row also paying the penalty for everyone else on death row by his execution.

Anyways, the wages for human sins is the second death when they are cast into the lake of fire. The wages for sin is not our appointed first death. Is crucifixion and being cast into the lake of fire equivalents?

Jesus' death on the cross gained Him an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant between God and the nation of Israel. We are saved by His sinless life through His gifting His inheritance to those who believe in Him. His first death directly saved no one. It fulfilled His appointed death due to His being a human, it earned Him an inheritance, and allowed for the creation of a new covenant to replace the original faulted covenant.

Oh well, it's only scripture.

The Man Jesus had to be God in order to satisfy the Justice and Holiness of the Eternal God, for no mere Man could do that, And He had to satisfy Justice of God for a number of people that no man can number, so His Blood must need be of infinite value. Thats why Jesus is the Wisdom of God ! How can Jesus be the Wisdom of God, and the Power of God, and not be God ? 1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

If Jesus paid the wages for our sins, why do we still die?

Thats a different subject.