Do Souls Prexist?

[Benson]

One or some of the following must exist regarding the human soul:

1.) It comes into existence at the moment of meiotic inception in the womb, or in a laboratory container.

2.) It comes from another dimension or place to be inserted into the newly formed human zygote, or possibly at the first breath when birth occurs.

3.) It is a small spark of God Himself which He puts into humans when they arrive at a sentient state of accountability.

4.) Human souls exist only in humans which are chosen by God according to the integrity of their DNA.

5.) God ordains some humans shall be possessed by a prexistent nonhuman evil spirit.

Perhaps this Forum has those who claim to have knowledge of God's Omnipotence, Providence, and Love and will thereby confidently pontificate. Or, perhaps someone will arise with patronizing verbation to hide their lack of thought and information. The best answer will assuredly be germane and to the point without being dismissive or divergent.

A clue to an answer is that God "breathed into Adam" before Adam became a living soul, something not done with animals. Jesus also purposefully "breathed" upon His Disciples. As well, Mosaic Law specifies unborn children are persons to be protected. Strangely, Pagan worship sought and prioritized the sacrifice of infants, as if the infancy contained a certain aspect of being they utilized.

[myth-one.com]

If the god also therefore breathed life into all the animals and insects and everything else which is alive, then this breath behaves differently depending upon the form in which the breath was breathed into.

Breath doesn't behave.

What does breathe do then?

It supports physical life.

And what of that? Since the breathe is that of a god/creator, then connection is implied. Since the connection is implied, the breath is the life (not the support of the life but that which animates the form to become living.)

In this, the connection allows for the life experienced to create data of experience. The data of experience allows this particular god to judge the experience and the experience amounts to what the personality has become. What the personality has become is the data which the god judges the personality by. Without the data being saved through the connection, there is nothing to view or to determine how the data is then judged.

The breath of the god "supports physical life" is not what the biblical account tells us. Rather it states that the breath of the god IS the life...in the case of human beings and all other breathing critters, without that breath, nothing of forms is able to live.

Man cannot live by breath alone.

God created the form first, then breathed life into it.

We have connection with God because He created everything.

What do you believe "the breath of life" to be in Genesis 2:7?

Is it our mythical immortal "soul"?

What does the biblical account tell us?

[myth-one.com]

The illogical in this particular mythology is that the god bothers re-creating individual bodies and then somehow [this proces remains unexplained by those who believe in it] is able to place the personality of the individual back into its re-created/resurrected body only to then throw the body with the personality within it, into a fire which then totally destroys both body and personality.

That is what "Christianity" typically preaches.

It is not what the scriptures state.

The nonbelievers are resurrected for a reason -- not simply to be cast into the lake of fire.

[Overcomer]

Benson wrote:

Very sensitive hearts, as in women and children for example, choose to think in terms of:

"How Things Just Seem To Be! Tsk!"

Rather than taking an interest in facts.

At first, I thought you were complimenting women, saying that we have a sensitivity that men lack.

But then you had to go and spoil it by making it seem that we are not intellectual in nature and don't pursue facts (as in, the truth about matters), but dismiss things arbitrarily, without any thought at all.

If you are trying to insult and alienate women, you're on the right track!

[Benson]

Benson wrote:

Very sensitive hearts, as in women and children for example, choose to think in terms of:

"How Things Just Seem To Be! Tsk!"

Rather than taking an interest in facts.

At first, I thought you were complimenting women, saying that we have a sensitivity that men lack.

But then you had to go and spoil it by making it seem that we are not intellectual in nature and don't pursue facts (as in, the truth about matters), but dismiss things arbitrarily, without any thought at all.

If you are trying to insult and alienate women, you're on the right track!

Do Women dedicate their attention to intuitive and emotional things? Yes? No? Can you say?

[William]

The illogical in this particular mythology is that the god bothers re-creating individual bodies and then somehow [this proces remains unexplained by those who believe in it] is able to place the personality of the individual back into its re-created/resurrected body only to then throw the body with the personality within it, into a fire which then totally destroys both body and personality.

That is what "Christianity" typically preaches.

Lets not "split hairs".

It is not what the scriptures state.

That depends upon who's interpretations you want to adopt for yourself... hardly a great argument since the "scripturas" are so obviously open to interpretations.

The nonbelievers are resurrected for a reason -- not simply to be cast into the lake of fire.

What "reason" is that? [You do not say so one cannot presently evaluate your argument...]

[William]

Double post

[William]

If the god also therefore breathed life into all the animals and insects and everything else which is alive, then this breath behaves differently depending upon the form in which the breath was breathed into.

Breath doesn't behave.

What does breathe do then?

It supports physical life.

And what of that? Since the breathe is that of a god/creator, then connection is implied. Since the connection is implied, the breath is the life (not the support of the life but that which animates the form to become living.)

In this, the connection allows for the life experienced to create data of experience. The data of experience allows this particular god to judge the experience and the experience amounts to what the personality has become. What the personality has become is the data which the god judges the personality by. Without the data being saved through the connection, there is nothing to view or to determine how the data is then judged.

The breath of the god "supports physical life" is not what the biblical account tells us. Rather it states that the breath of the god IS the life...in the case of human beings and all other breathing critters, without that breath, nothing of forms is able to live.
[/quote]

Man cannot live by breath alone.

Obviously, but not what I am arguing.

God created the form first, then breathed life into it.

According to the mythology, the human form is thus a cadaver until the gods breath makes it living. I am not arguing that the gods breath isn't what the life is.

We have connection with God because He created everything.

Nope. According to the mythology, we have a connection with the god because we are the breath of the god - we are the life which makes the body live.

What do you believe "the breath of life" to be in Genesis

Clearly it is who we are. The alternative is to believe we are the cadaver which of course makes one wonder then as to why the breath of the god is engaging with said cadaver...it is a dead thing the god wants to animate...

Is it our mythical immortal "soul"?

More to the point , it is the repository of data of experience which altogether makes us who we each are.

What does the biblical account tell us?

What does that matter, as it is open to interpretation? It is like asking "Who is a true Christian?" - a pointless question.

[William]

Double post

[Benson]

The illogical in this particular mythology is that the god bothers re-creating individual bodies and then somehow [this proces remains unexplained by those who believe in it] is able to place the personality of the individual back into its re-created/resurrected body only to then throw the body with the personality within it, into a fire which then totally destroys both body and personality.

That is what "Christianity" typically preaches.

Lets not "split hairs".

It is not what the scriptures state.

That depends upon who's interpretations you want to adopt for yourself... hardly a great argument since the "scripturas" are so obviously open to interpretations.

The nonbelievers are resurrected for a reason -- not simply to be cast into the lake of fire.

What "reason" is that? [You do not say so one cannot presently evaluate your argument...]

The reason all people will be resurrected is so that God can judge them, then preserve those who are His Family. God created Family for Himself so that He and they could enjoy each other.

[Miles]

The illogical in this particular mythology is that the god bothers re-creating individual bodies and then somehow [this proces remains unexplained by those who believe in it] is able to place the personality of the individual back into its re-created/resurrected body only to then throw the body with the personality within it, into a fire which then totally destroys both body and personality.

That is what "Christianity" typically preaches.

Lets not "split hairs".

It is not what the scriptures state.

That depends upon who's interpretations you want to adopt for yourself... hardly a great argument since the "scripturas" are so obviously open to interpretations.

The nonbelievers are resurrected for a reason -- not simply to be cast into the lake of fire.

What "reason" is that? [You do not say so one cannot presently evaluate your argument...]

The reason all people will be resurrected is so that God can judge them, then preserve those who are His Family. God created Family for Himself so that He and they could enjoy each other.

He can't judge them from where their decomposed bodies lie?


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