Is the Jehovah Witness Religion a Christian Religion?

[polonius]

Do Jehovah Witnesses consider Jesus Christ to be God? If so, does it maintain that there are two divine persons? God and Jesus Christ?

Are both God and Jesus eternal and coequal?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 34 by marco]

"Facetiously"???? That's a new one. LOL! Jesus was weak enough that he just wanted the Jews to shut up so he would say anything! That's your position? Well, shake hands with your Pharisee brothers.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 19 by onewithhim]

Our faith was actually almost choked out by apostate Christianity (which Jesus spoke about in parable form in Matthew chapter 13) but there was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Interesting!

Please clarify and explain what you have bracketed, and specify which parables.

Thanks.

I put in parentheses that Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians, in Matthew chapter 13. He said that the good seed of the field was over-sown with seeds of "tares" or weeds. They were so plentiful that the landowner told his workers not to pull up the weeds because they could accidentally pull up the good wheat also. He later explained that the good seed that was sown was sown by the Son of Man, and the "field" is the world. The good seed pictures the sons of the Kingdom, the true worshippers of God and disciples of Christ. The Devil sowed the weeds which are the sons of himself, the evil one.

More than interesting!

But please...do not put words and more into Jesus' mouth that he neither said nor implied in this parable.

I refer to: " Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians", and "over-sown".

So we have the field of the world, where the good news has been preached and has resulted in the growth of fine true sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds sown by the Devil grew in with the wheat and almost choked them out . They were so obviously prevalent that the good wheat could almost not be found. The false Christians overtook the true Christians and prevailed as stronger than the true sons "until the harvest."

That continues a classic case of eisegesis instead of exegesis.

This time, such is most obvious in "almost choked them out", and "could almost not be found".

Jesus said that this would be the case until this "harvest," which is "the end of the age." This "harvest" is still in the future. So the false Christians still are a much larger group than the true Christians.

Matthew 13: 24-30, 36-43 (I used the New American Standard Bible.)

Where did Jesus, in this parable, say or imply, any "much larger group"?

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 34 by marco]

St. Augustine:

"That the Name of Gods is Falsely Given to the Gods of the Gentiles, Though Scripture Applies It Both to the Holy Angels and Just Men.

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But where it is said, "the God of gods," it cannot be understood as the god of the demons; and far be it from us to say that "great King above all gods" means "great King above all demons." But the same Scripture also calls men who belong to God's people" gods:" "I have said, Ye are gods, and all of you children of the Most High."(34) Accordingly, when God is styled God of gods, this may be understood of these gods; and so, too, when He is styled a great King above all gods.

"Nevertheless, some one may say, if men are called gods because they belong to God's people, whom He addresses by means of men and angels, are not the immortals, who already enjoy that felicity which men seek to attain by worshipping God, much more worthy of the title? And what shall we reply to this, if not that it is not without reason that in holy Scripture men are more expressly styled gods than those immortal and blessed spirits to whom we hope to be equal in the resurrection, because there was a fear that the weakness of unbelief, being overcome with the excellence of these beings, might presume to constitute some of them a god? In the case of men this was a result that need not be guarded against. Besides, it was right that the men belonging to God's people should be more expressly called gods, to assure and certify them that He who is called God of gods is their God; because, although those immortal and blessed spirits who dwell in the heavens [angels] are called gods , yet they are not called gods of gods, that is to say, gods of the men who constitute God's people, and to whom it is said, "I have said. Ye are gods, and all of you the children of the Most High." Hence the saying of the apostle, "Though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, as there be gods many and lords many, but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him."(35) - Writings of the Early Church Fathers, Nicene Fathers: "City of God," (St. Augustine), Book 9, Chapter 23. - [Emphasis added]

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 19 by onewithhim]

Our faith was actually almost choked out by apostate Christianity (which Jesus spoke about in parable form in Matthew chapter 13) but there was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Interesting!

Please clarify and explain what you have bracketed, and specify which parables.

Thanks.

I put in parentheses that Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians, in Matthew chapter 13. He said that the good seed of the field was over-sown with seeds of "tares" or weeds. They were so plentiful that the landowner told his workers not to pull up the weeds because they could accidentally pull up the good wheat also. He later explained that the good seed that was sown was sown by the Son of Man, and the "field" is the world. The good seed pictures the sons of the Kingdom, the true worshippers of God and disciples of Christ. The Devil sowed the weeds which are the sons of himself, the evil one.

More than interesting!

But please...do not put words and more into Jesus' mouth that he neither said nor implied in this parable.

I refer to: " Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians", and "over-sown".

So we have the field of the world, where the good news has been preached and has resulted in the growth of fine true sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds sown by the Devil grew in with the wheat and almost choked them out . They were so obviously prevalent that the good wheat could almost not be found. The false Christians overtook the true Christians and prevailed as stronger than the true sons "until the harvest."

That continues a classic case of eisegesis instead of exegesis.

This time, such is most obvious in "almost choked them out", and "could almost not be found".

Jesus said that this would be the case until this "harvest," which is "the end of the age." This "harvest" is still in the future. So the false Christians still are a much larger group than the true Christians.

Matthew 13: 24-30, 36-43 (I used the New American Standard Bible.)

Where did Jesus, in this parable, say or imply, any "much larger group"?

Once again, I apologize, this time because I don't see how I could be any clearer.

Obviously the weeds--the "false sons of the Kingdom (false Christians)---overgrow the field, almost covering up the presence of the true Sons of the Kingdom. That is what Jesus described. These false sons are, obviously, a LARGER group.

Please explain how YOU understand each part of Jesus' parable.



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[otseng]

Your average Christian is misled. But Jehovah's Witnesses I have recently learned are the biggest fools. Talk about gullible. Seriously.

Fine words from a bunch of liare

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[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 19 by onewithhim]

Our faith was actually almost choked out by apostate Christianity (which Jesus spoke about in parable form in Matthew chapter 13) but there was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Interesting!

Please clarify and explain what you have bracketed, and specify which parables.

Thanks.

I put in parentheses that Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians, in Matthew chapter 13. He said that the good seed of the field was over-sown with seeds of "tares" or weeds. They were so plentiful that the landowner told his workers not to pull up the weeds because they could accidentally pull up the good wheat also. He later explained that the good seed that was sown was sown by the Son of Man, and the "field" is the world. The good seed pictures the sons of the Kingdom, the true worshippers of God and disciples of Christ. The Devil sowed the weeds which are the sons of himself, the evil one.

More than interesting!

But please...do not put words and more into Jesus' mouth that he neither said nor implied in this parable.

I refer to: " Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians", and "over-sown".

So we have the field of the world, where the good news has been preached and has resulted in the growth of fine true sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds sown by the Devil grew in with the wheat and almost choked them out . They were so obviously prevalent that the good wheat could almost not be found. The false Christians overtook the true Christians and prevailed as stronger than the true sons "until the harvest."

That continues a classic case of eisegesis instead of exegesis.

This time, such is most obvious in "almost choked them out", and "could almost not be found".

Jesus said that this would be the case until this "harvest," which is "the end of the age." This "harvest" is still in the future. So the false Christians still are a much larger group than the true Christians.

Matthew 13: 24-30, 36-43 (I used the New American Standard Bible.)

Where did Jesus, in this parable, say or imply, any "much larger group"?

Once again, I apologize, this time because I don't see how I could be any clearer.

Obviously the weeds--the "false sons of the Kingdom (false Christians)---overgrow the field, almost covering up the presence of the true Sons of the Kingdom. That is what Jesus described. These false sons are, obviously, a LARGER group.

Please explain how YOU understand each part of Jesus' parable.

Sorry, but it is not up to me to now explain how I see each part.

It is up to you to justify what I have called eisegesis, and show that it is exegesis.

Your attempt this time doesn't even get out of the starting blocks!
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Your "obviously" is simply a repeat, and shows a need for new glasses, or for none at all.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 45 by Checkpoint]

OK, Checkpoint's twin. You seem to have two different viewpoints. But...nevermind. You say that my argument is so lame that it doesn't even get off the starting block. So be it. You are entitled to your POV.



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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 45 by Checkpoint]

My dictionary has "exegesis," but not "eisegesis." What is the difference? I have never used those terms in my life.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 45 by Checkpoint]

My dictionary has "exegesis," but not "eisegesis." What is the difference? I have never used those terms in my life.

Ha! Good question.

Try this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=exegesi ... e&ie=UTF-8

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 45 by Checkpoint]

OK, Checkpoint's twin. You seem to have two different viewpoints. But...nevermind. You say that my argument is so lame that it doesn't even get off the starting block. So be it. You are entitled to your POV.



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Two different viewpoints? Have I?

Tell me more, onewithhim!