Sermon on the mount

[Wootah]

What was the point of this sermon?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 39 by brianbbs67]

Why do you say That? It's written in the bible more times than all the other names in the bible combined, what makes you think it is "hidden"?

JEHOVAH'S Witness

[Monta]

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

I made a more in depth post here. viewtopic.php?p=913894#913894

Thanks, I don't have time for more in depth just the basics.

Sorry I misunderstood you. I though wanted a more in-depth explanation because you said,

I am still struggling to understand you.

I thought you wanted a clearer explanation, so I pointed you to one. My bad.

In my post no 20 I asked for clarification:

"Perhaps you have a brilliant mind and have mastered the science of correspondences, or you are a Rabbi, or you have discovered your own system. For that you still need a brilliant mind+ to understand ALL of it; that leaves us with a Rabbi?"
Basically asking which one of these three; clear and short answer not a long article:
1. yu have mastered science of correspondences
2. yu are a Rabbi
3. yu have brillant mind+ to understand it all
and yes there might be fourth.

I found your post very interesting and still like to know your 'secret'.
Short and sweet*

[onewithhim]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

Yes, and whose proper name is still hidden. Correct?

How is it still hidden? It was plain to all in the Hebrew text before some men, later on, removed it from the text and inserted "Adonai" instead. All we have to do is go back and look at the Hebrew text, and the Tetragrammaton is all over the place (7,000 times).

[brianbbs67]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

Yes, and whose proper name is still hidden. Correct?

How is it still hidden? It was plain to all in the Hebrew text before some men, later on, removed it from the text and inserted "Adonai" instead. All we have to do is go back and look at the Hebrew text, and the Tetragrammaton is all over the place (7,000 times).

The Tetragrammaton is only 4 consonants of His name. Even if we assume they are in the correct order , vowel substitution gives a couple different names. Ancient Hebrew had no vowels and pronounciation was understood. We don't fully understand it all now as too much time has elapsed. Even Israelites don't know as the Tanakh is full of, "meaning of ancient Hebrew uncertain", footnotes on nearly a third of the pages. So, could Yehovah, Yahweh, Yehowah be correct. Yes. But, as I had said before, no one knows with 100% certainty. To claim so is incorrect and misleading. Unless the Almighty has spoken directly to you and proclaimed His name?

[onewithhim]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

Yes, and whose proper name is still hidden. Correct?

How is it still hidden? It was plain to all in the Hebrew text before some men, later on, removed it from the text and inserted "Adonai" instead. All we have to do is go back and look at the Hebrew text, and the Tetragrammaton is all over the place (7,000 times).

The Tetragrammaton is only 4 consonants of His name. Even if we assume they are in the correct order , vowel substitution gives a couple different names. Ancient Hebrew had no vowels and pronounciation was understood. We don't fully understand it all now as too much time has elapsed. Even Israelites don't know as the Tanakh is full of, "meaning of ancient Hebrew uncertain", footnotes on nearly a third of the pages. So, could Yehovah, Yahweh, Yehowah be correct. Yes. But, as I had said before, no one knows with 100% certainty. To claim so is incorrect and misleading. Unless the Almighty has spoken directly to you and proclaimed His name?

The name is ALWAYS "YHWH." We can just use those four consonants if we don't want to stick to one pronunciation. I have a necklace with the Hebrew letters "Yodh He Waw He" in a pendant---the four Hebrew letters in the Tetragrammaton. We don't get "different" names when there are different pronunciations. The name is always "YHWH." "Yehovah, Yahweh, Yehowah" are fine. So are the many other ways the name is pronounced, according to the language someone is speaking.

We do not claim that "Jehovah" is the absolute correct pronunciation. We have never said that. We go with the rendering that is most familiar with people who speak English.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

I made a more in depth post here. viewtopic.php?p=913894#913894

Thanks, I don't have time for more in depth just the basics.

Sorry I misunderstood you. I though wanted a more in-depth explanation because you said,

I am still struggling to understand you.

I thought you wanted a clearer explanation, so I pointed you to one. My bad.

In my post no 20 I asked for clarification:

"Perhaps you have a brilliant mind and have mastered the science of correspondences, or you are a Rabbi, or you have discovered your own system. For that you still need a brilliant mind+ to understand ALL of it; that leaves us with a Rabbi?"
Basically asking which one of these three; clear and short answer not a long article:
1. yu have mastered science of correspondences
2. yu are a Rabbi
3. yu have brillant mind+ to understand it all
and yes there might be fourth.

I found your post very interesting and still like to know your 'secret'.
Short and sweet*

The short and sweet answer is through reverent awe of God, Holy Spirit, faith building and constant study. Also, by not only giving to attention to what I can see and feel but by also by what I can't.

Example: A person is walking in someone's footsteps in the sand. They want to keep following those footsteps. Then they come to a part where the foot prints stop but continue for some 15 feet away. The person wants to keep following the footsteps but knows they can't jump 15 feet even by running. They can see where the footprints stop and where they continue.

Question: What do you do though there is no path between where the footprints stop and where they start again?

[Monta]

[Replying to post 45 by 2timothy316]


"Question: What do you do though there is no path between where the footprints stop and where they start again?"


You'll have to stop and think on your next move.

I congratulate you that you've worked out how to connect all the dots.

What do you make out of the six days of creation?

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 45 by 2timothy316]


"Question: What do you do though there is no path between where the footprints stop and where they start again?"


You'll have to stop and think on your next move.

I congratulate you that you've worked out how to connect all the dots.

What do you make out of the six days of creation?

Yes, stopping and thinking is good but also looking around at what is available to you. Just thinking and trying to figure it out on our own is not the way to an answer. Trying to fit a round scripture in to a square doctrine is not good either.

The six days of creation is a good example of not seeing how the footprints connect. The answer is found in other parts of the Bible. Other cases where the word “day� is used in a flexible or figurative sense are: “the day of God’s creating Adam� (Ge 5:1), “the day of Jehovah� (Zep 1:7), the “day of fury� (Zep 1:15), “the day of salvation� (2Co 6:2), “the day of judgment� (2Pe 3:7), “the great day of God the Almighty� (Re 16:14), and even that a 'day' to God is like 1000 years to us. (2 Peter 3:8, 9)

So the six 'days' of creation could mean any number of years really. All we really know is that the creative days were blocks of time. There was a stretch of time that God created the oceans and atmosphere which was not at the same time he created mankind. These things happened in two different 'days' or time periods. Even in Genesis 2:4 (NAS) it says, "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven." Right there is all six days wrapped up in a single 'day'.

So back to our illustration of the footprints: The reason they didn't seem to be connected is because there was rope swing. We figuratively made the connection through examining other scriptures where the word 'day' was used. It was not really that hard to answer. But we did need to know more books of the Bible than just Genesis and we also needed to have knowledge of the world around us. However, a person must be willing to examine 'all things' and have a spiritual mind and not limiting themselves to only what they can see. (1 Corinthians 2:14-16) Both those that don't think the Bible is good for truth and those that think that the God created the Earth in 6 literal days are not examining 'all things'.

[marco]

Both those that don't think the Bible is good for truth and those that think that the God created the Earth in 6 literal days are not examining 'all things'.

And those who think they are "examining all things" are deluding themselves. It is not possible to examine ALL things since the totality is an unknown. The simplistic example of taking a day as an arbitrary period of time or as a metaphor for an indefinite time space is a good illustration of making a statement what we want it to be, possibly to redeem it from its initial absurdity. I agree that day need not be 24 hours; a poet might say "we live but a day and then we are gone." I am not persuaded that the ability to interpret in this way is the sign of a magician or an extraordinary theologian.

[2timothy316]

Both those that don't think the Bible is good for truth and those that think that the God created the Earth in 6 literal days are not examining 'all things'.

And those who think they are "examining all things" are deluding themselves. It is not possible to examine ALL things since the totality is an unknown.

Yet we can examine all what is known. That is enough to make a decision. Only a person that doesn't even look at what is known to be available is deluding themselves.

A person that doesn't think the Bible is trustworthy and thus doesn't even care to read what it says is starving themselves of 'all things' that can be known.