Must we keep the 10 commandments to be saved

[DansingWall]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

[josefcorrealima]

The law of the Sabbath was given to Israel and therefore, apply to Israel. Since these laws were never given to the Church, their interpretation cannot be for it. The Sabbath laws were applied to and for Israel and as such were never altered, changed or transferred to any other period.

The Scriptures clearly states that we as born-again sons of God are not under the law, but grace.

Romans 7:4:

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body
on account of
the body of Christ....
How can the law possibly have power over us if the law is dead?

People trying to live under a law which does not pertain to them is not new in the Christian age. Paul had such in the church at Galatia.

Galatians 4:31:

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Galatians 5:1:

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage.
Galatians 4:9-11:

(9) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

(10) Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

(11) I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Romans 14:5, 6

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Colossians 2:16:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
The vast majority of Christians assemble to worship on Sundays, on which day Jesus was first seen in his resurrected body. Simply because most of us observe Sunday, does not mean we keep it under the compulsion of the law; we keep it because we are under grace and wish to do so. In our age of the Church Administration, every day is sacred according to the Word of God, and not one day more so than any other day. Every day should be live unto the Lord, though in our tradition most Christians have set aside Sunday especially as a day of rest and special worship.

When we rightly divide the Word of Truth, we clear the atmosphere of the wrong teaching regarding the Sabbath and the other days mentioned in the Bible. We are not believers tied to one legalistic day of worship. We worship God daily in spirit and in truth. Tradition dare not blind us to the truth of the light of God's Word.

I like that you pointed out this verse- One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Since there are so many interpretations of the Bible today I believe God is good and will look at your heart and the love you had for others and to Him as the most important factor.

Still I feel that the Sabbath exists for a reason. The blessings that come along with keeping the Sabbath is immense and I feel sad for those who will never see the joy of keeping the Sabbath. Not only does it replenish and greatly help in your spiritual walk it is also replenishing to the human body.

With that said, I know we are not under the law because transgression of the law=death, but Jesus died for us that we could have a second chance of eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Key word= Faith. If we believe that Jesus died for us but keep sinning... (what is sin? TRANSGRESSION of th LAW) than according to the Bible are faith is not real.

Real faith is when you believe that Jesus died for you and start walking in the light.

What is walking in the light?- Not sinning. Keeping God's law. Keeping the Ten Commandments and avoiding any wrong doing.

Anyways, I love discussing this with you guys but I believe that God looks at the heart and I know most of you are filled with the Holy Spirit

because 1John 4:2 says- Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

I believe that we can do everything through Christ who strengthens us (including stop sinning) and I believe through all I've read that sin is the transgression of God's law- INCLUDING loving our neighbors as ourselves and loving God with all our hearts- a summary of the Ten Commandments.

[DansingWall]

Yet still I wonder in the spirit. You and I and we are all equal sinners. For even random thought of sin is same as ten commandment sin. As you judge and condemn sins, yours are in measure judged and condemned. Yet even as you forgive sins, yours are also forgiven.

Hi InThe Spirit
Yeah, ive often wondered about that. Am i judging someone when i point out something in the scriptures and will i be judged accordingly? It seems that when jugdement is mentioned in the bible, its a physical jugdement.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The above scripture tells me i should pass along the scriptures ive found, and not as a passing of judgement. I think theres but one way to the kingdom and its through the scriptures this path is found. It is a free gift, but to whom will this free gift be given? Of course Jesus is the bottom line.

[McCulloch]

I believe the work Jesus is referring to is God's work, which doesn't' pertain to the daily earthly work noted in the sabbath commandment. Jesus is God. Also, the commandment states "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." Not only is it a day of rest. It is a day to be enriched with religious worship and religious instruction. I believe the "work" Jesus refers to in John 5:17 falls into the "keeping it holy" portion of the commandment, and doesn't' fall into the day-day earthly works category in the commandment.

Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, "These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."

You are not allowed, on pain of death, to kindle a fire on the sabbath and not carry a load, yet Jesus instructed the man to pick up his pallet. If Jesus is God and God made the sabbath rules, then God changed his mind.

[DansingWall]

You are not allowed, on pain of death, to kindle a fire on the sabbath and not carry a load, yet Jesus instructed the man to pick up his pallet. If Jesus is God and God made the sabbath rules, then God changed his mind.

Hello McCulloch
Could this be a type of parable?

EXOD.35 [2] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.[3] Ye shall KINDLE NO FIRE throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

KINDLE NO FIRE. Ya think this might be a parable? After all, common sense should tell ya that some of Gods people might be in the colder regions of the world. They might have to start a fire to stay warm or cook some food.

PROVERBS 26 [20] WHERE NO WOOD IS, THERE THE FIRE GOETH OUT: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.[21] As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to KINDLE STRIFE. [22] The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

Seems so. Seems to have something to do with the words you speak. Any new testament scriptures that verify the old, that this would be a parable?

JAMES 3 [4] Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.[5] EVEN SO THE TONGUE IS A LITTLE MEMBER, AND BOASTETH GREAT THINGS. BEHOLD, HOW GREAT A MATTER A LITTLE FIRE KINDLETH![6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.[7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:[8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

Yup. No doubt about it. Once again the new testament verifies the old.

JER.17 [26] And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.[27] But IF YE WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO ME TO HALLOW THE SABBATH DAY, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; THEN WILL I KINDLE A FIRE in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

Hes coming with fire

EZEKIEL 20 [47] And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I WILL KINDLE A FIRE IN THEE, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: THE FLAMING FLAME shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. [48] AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE THAT I THE LORD HAVE KINDLED IT: it shall not be quenched. [49] THEN SAID I, AH LORD GOD! THEY SAY OF ME, DOTH HE NOT SPEAK PARABLES?

At some point all flesh will know it was a parable

[AB]

I believe the work Jesus is referring to is God's work, which doesn't' pertain to the daily earthly work noted in the sabbath commandment. Jesus is God. Also, the commandment states "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." Not only is it a day of rest. It is a day to be enriched with religious worship and religious instruction. I believe the "work" Jesus refers to in John 5:17 falls into the "keeping it holy" portion of the commandment, and doesn't' fall into the day-day earthly works category in the commandment.

Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, "These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."

You are not allowed, on pain of death, to kindle a fire on the sabbath and not carry a load, yet Jesus instructed the man to pick up his pallet. If Jesus is God and God made the sabbath rules, then God changed his mind.

Jesus instructed him to pick up his mat and walk.. most likely home. This is not equivalent to the "work" noted in that Exodus passage. 2 different items. People were allowed to walk on the sabbath. And it would be rude for the man to leave his mat. So Jesus had not broken the 10 commandments. Or did he instruct that person to.

[josefcorrealima]

Yet still I wonder in the spirit. You and I and we are all equal sinners. For even random thought of sin is same as ten commandment sin. As you judge and condemn sins, yours are in measure judged and condemned. Yet even as you forgive sins, yours are also forgiven.

Hi InThe Spirit
Yeah, ive often wondered about that. Am i judging someone when i point out something in the scriptures and will i be judged accordingly? It seems that when jugdement is mentioned in the bible, its a physical jugdement.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The above scripture tells me i should pass along the scriptures ive found, and not as a passing of judgement. I think theres but one way to the kingdom and its through the scriptures this path is found. It is a free gift, but to whom will this free gift be given? Of course Jesus is the bottom line.

AMEN brotha!

Happy Sabbath to all you guys!!

Oh I have more proof that the Sabbath was not done away with... and guess where it is in the Bible?

Revelation 1

9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

When did John have this vision? On the Lord's Day!!! What is the Lord's Day? Sabbath!

Remember, even in His death Jesus kept the Sabbath!

[r~]

Yet still I wonder in the spirit. You and I and we are all equal sinners. For even random thought of sin is same as ten commandment sin. As you judge and condemn sins, yours are in measure judged and condemned. Yet even as you forgive sins, yours are also forgiven.

Hi InThe Spirit
Yeah, ive often wondered about that. Am i judging someone when i point out something in the scriptures and will i be judged accordingly? It seems that when jugdement is mentioned in the bible, its a physical jugdement.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

At what point does teaching become harassment?

Yet even as you forgive sins, the least and greatest of your sins will be forgiven, and you will truly be called great in the spirit.

God has a unique covenant with each and every one of us. Do not assume that your neighbor has the same as you. Do not resent that your neighbor may have an 'easier' covenant than yours.

Teach by example. Teach by love. Teach by forgiveness of sins. Teach by standing against those that would judge sin as crime. It is in this spirit you and all will find heaven; even on earth.

ItS
Peace
r~

[josefcorrealima]

Yet still I wonder in the spirit. You and I and we are all equal sinners. For even random thought of sin is same as ten commandment sin. As you judge and condemn sins, yours are in measure judged and condemned. Yet even as you forgive sins, yours are also forgiven.

Hi InThe Spirit
Yeah, ive often wondered about that. Am i judging someone when i point out something in the scriptures and will i be judged accordingly? It seems that when jugdement is mentioned in the bible, its a physical jugdement.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

At what point does teaching become harassment?

Yet even as you forgive sins, the least and greatest of your sins will be forgiven, and you will truly be called great in the spirit.

God has a unique covenant with each and every one of us. Do not assume that your neighbor has the same as you. Do not resent that your neighbor may have an 'easier' covenant than yours.

Teach by example. Teach by love. Teach by forgiveness of sins. Teach by standing against those that would judge sin as crime. It is in this spirit you and all will find heaven; even on earth.

ItS
Peace
r~

I didn't understand the harassment thing... but any way, i do agree with you that we should forgive others as we would like God to forgive us- that is Biblical, even in the Lord's prayer.

But if you are disagreeing with the last quote you posted you are disagreeing not with men but with the Bible. I'll copy and paste it just in case you didn't see the verse...

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[josefcorrealima]

Yet still I wonder in the spirit. You and I and we are all equal sinners. For even random thought of sin is same as ten commandment sin. As you judge and condemn sins, yours are in measure judged and condemned. Yet even as you forgive sins, yours are also forgiven.

Hi InThe Spirit
Yeah, ive often wondered about that. Am i judging someone when i point out something in the scriptures and will i be judged accordingly? It seems that when jugdement is mentioned in the bible, its a physical jugdement.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

At what point does teaching become harassment?

Yet even as you forgive sins, the least and greatest of your sins will be forgiven, and you will truly be called great in the spirit.

God has a unique covenant with each and every one of us. Do not assume that your neighbor has the same as you. Do not resent that your neighbor may have an 'easier' covenant than yours.

Teach by example. Teach by love. Teach by forgiveness of sins. Teach by standing against those that would judge sin as crime. It is in this spirit you and all will find heaven; even on earth.

ItS
Peace
r~

I didn't understand the harassment thing... but any way, i do agree with you that we should forgive others as we would like God to forgive us- that is Biblical, even in the Lord's prayer.

But if you are disagreeing with the last quote you posted you are disagreeing not with men but with the Bible. I'll copy and paste it just in case you didn't see the verse...

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

the last quote the other guy posted i meant*

and Heaven is NOT on earth. that kind of thinking reminds me of the Sadducees which did not believe in the resurrection. Just because you haven't seen something with your own eyes or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.

God knows. And according to the Bible it's pretty clear that there is a second life for those who will be saved through grace by faith in Jesus.

Personally, I am happy with this life. God could've made anyone else but He chose to make me. If there is no second life for me I will still praise God. According to the Bible though, there is something more for those who have faith in Jesus.

I just think we shouldn't please God because of the glory of Heaven or the curse of hell but rather for the love He expressed to us through Jesus.

Glory to Jesus alone, always and forever.

[DansingWall]

You need to read the whole passage:

Act 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."

The Pharisees made it about obeying the law of Moses, as well, and they were rebuffed by Peter:

Acts 15 is simply talking of the law of circumcision.

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.