Christianity...

mcbr4481 · Post by **mcbr4481** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:03 am

I always see arguments on here for what is christianity and what is not, to me theres only a couple of major things that must be agreed upon.....

1. The trinity.. I think it is pretty neccisary that a christian understands the father, the son and the holy spirit. This includes the divinity of Jesus..

2. Salvation is by Grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ.

3. The Bible is the inspired unfalable word of God.

I believe that the second one is the main one that one must understand to be a christian. if you have any thoughts on this please reply...

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:24 pm

Easyrider wrote:You haven't fared too well concerning your alleged NT "discrepancies," Goat. Want to try another one you haven't cited before (one that hasn't previously been debated)?

I think he has fared very well as has just about everyone that sees the obvious discrepancies. Which one are you going to ignore or rationalize away with, maybe and what if, next as you rewrite the stories to make them fit?

Anyone that thinks they are actually written by God has missed their histories.
They were written by men and copied by men. Then they were gathered together sorted and sifted by accident and politics trying to make a whole picture but failed miserably.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:46 pm

mcbr4481 wrote:actually it was written by God,

how did god write it? carve it in stone? use a pen and paper? or did he write it on water?

mcbr4481 wrote: so it is compltly unified.

including all teh gospels left out or destroyed to eliminate 'heresy'?

mcbr4481 wrote: There is no descrepancy amoung the gospel writters they are preached repentance and faith!

make up you mind!!! did god write it or were there 'gospel writers'? You can't have it both ways.

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mcbr4481 wrote: please think about this logicaly...

I do think about it logically - the majority of so called 'sacred texts' (and there are many hundreds), the bible included, are mixture of mythology, metaphor and oral hisory.

Why does it appear that you not "thinking about this logically"

mcbr4481 wrote: you have to read the new testiment as a whole not pick and choose what you want

I have.

I have also read a good deal of the koran. The complete Bhagavad Gita. Some of the Sikh Adi Granth. native Australian dreamtime creation legends. The Yoga Sutras of patanjali. Plus many others

What else have you read to inform your opinion of the bible?

mcbr4481 · Post by **mcbr4481** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:37 am

well......

The Quaran, Book of morman, Bible, Confusia, Catholic catachesm, Plus many others..

Even people who don't believe in the Bible say it is by far the best religous text ever written because there are simply no flaws.. Those people just dont agree with the moral teachings.. There is no discreoancy in the New Testament. The gospel writters work together to provide differnt view points for God. They work together to systematicaly design a document that can be used to shap many different kinds of people.. If your saying that there is discrepancy, i would like to see it..

O and to note, you naming all the text you have read dosen't make you smart or dosent mean you understand them....

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:09 am

mcbr4481 wrote:well......
Even people who don't believe in the Bible say it is by far the best religous text ever written because there are simply no flaws..

Unless you can give me some evidence of this it is simply your opinion - one which, based on what you have written elsewhere - i am struggling to have regard for.

mcbr4481 wrote: Those people just dont agree with the moral teachings..

The bible is but one source of moral teachings and not necessarily the best one. Personally i find the eightfold path to be much more demanding on moral rectitude than your bible.

mcbr4481 wrote: There is no discreoancy in the New Testament.

That is the subject of much debate, here and elswhere. often it is only hermaneutic gymnastics which is able to rescue the apologist.

mcbr4481 wrote: If your saying that there is discrepancy, i would like to see it..

Start with the resurrection story. Look at the increasing 'supernaturalism' as the gospels progress.

mcbr4481 wrote: O and to note, you naming all the text you have read dosen't make you smart or dosent mean you understand them....

No - just more widely read.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:20 am

You wrote earlier:

mcbr4481 wrote: actually it was written by God,..

then you say:

mcbr4481 wrote: The gospel writters work together to provide differnt view points for God.

not only that:, but

mcbr4481 wrote: They work together to systematicaly design a document...

you seem confused and not really following your own advise:

mcbr4481 wrote: please think about this logicaly...

care to think about it logically?

mcbr4481 · Post by **mcbr4481** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:15 pm

It was written by God through those men....

Metatron · Post by **Metatron** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:43 pm

mcbr4481 wrote:It was written by God through those men....

Meaning the gospel writers were some sort of stenographic robots taking the undiluted word of God straight to paper?

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:16 pm

mcbr4481 wrote:It was written by God through those men....

Which men? The men who wrote the gospels? The men who edited them? The men who decided what exactly was to become a gospel and what was to be discarded? Which men? And why do they deserve to be trusted to be telling the truth?

arayhay · Post by **arayhay** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:12 am

bernee51 wrote:
mcbr4481 wrote:It was written by God through those men....
Which men? The men who wrote the gospels? The men who edited them? The men who decided what exactly was to become a gospel and what was to be discarded? Which men? And why do they deserve to be trusted to be telling the truth?

the same thing happened with the quaran, men wrote down what THEY thought mohammed said and it was credited to him.

acamp1 · Post by **acamp1** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:50 am

2. Salvation is by Grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ.

(Matt. 19:16-21) "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Ooops.... Did Jesus forget to mention grace?