Who created all things?

[servant1]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

[A Freeman]

John 17:1-5
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the Earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

No rationally-minded individual can read the above passage and not see that it is very clearly talking about TWO INDIVIDUALS:

Our Heavenly Father -- The One and ONLY True God -- Who gave His son power, the believing remnant, and SENT His Son (Christ) to Earth to finish the work that Father gave Christ to do; and

The Father's Son, known here on Earth as Christ, the Saviour -- the One and Only Mediator BETWEEN God and men -- whom Father sent.

Further yet, we KNOW that this TRUE Father-Son relationship, which antichrists deny (1 John 2:22), is exactly as all Father-Son relationships are: the Father comes before and is the progenitor of the Son; in this case through creation.

God (our heavenly Father) CREATED Christ. It was God's first act of creation. That is why, as Christ clearly stated, the Father is greater than ALL, including the Son (NOT equal to), and that the one who is sent is NOT greater than the one that sent him.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

Anyone who believes in a "trinity" or that "Jesus is God" is very clearly a liar and antichrist according to Scripture:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The TITLE "Christ" means "the one whom God anointed". God didn't anoint Himself, or divide Himself into three separate individuals, nor did He send Himself to Earth, nor does God pretend to be His own Son.

God REALLY created Christ.
God REALLY is Christ's Father/Creator.
God REALLY anointed Christ.
God REALLY sent Christ here to teach us, save us and to be our King, High-Priest/Mediator/Spiritual Connection to Him.
God REALLY appointed Christ to be His heir.
God REALLY gave Christ everything Christ has, including power, wisdom and the "Elect".
God REALLY is greater than all, including His Firstborn/First-created Son.

Christ REALLY is the Son OF God.
Christ REALLY was created by God.
Christ REALLY is the one whom God anointed (hence his title as The Messiah/Christ).
Christ REALLY was sent to teach us, save us and to be our King, and to be the one and only mediator between Him and mankind.
Christ REALLY was appointed to be God's heir to everything.
Christ REALLY was given everything, and would otherwise have nothing.
Christ REALLY did incarnate the Jesus 2000 years ago, becoming the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to marke in post #5]


Yes Jesus is Gods master worker-Prov 8:30= the one who was beside God during the creation process-- Only Jehovah God had the power and wisdom to create anything. He did it through Jesus. Jesus gives God =HE-100% credit-Prov 8:27-28 for creating.
The problem is many of the religions say Both Jehovah and Jesus created things because of the US at Gen 1:26--But verse 27 is clear-HE-not we created.

No such phrase in the Bible as "Master worker." How do you people come up with these deceiving pseudo-words and phrases?

[Base12]

Don't forget Mom...

Proverbs 8:27
"When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:"

She was there too, remember?

She gives birth. Do you understand?

Luke 7:35
"But wisdom is justified of all her children."

Yes, it is *literal*. Does 'Mother of us all' ring a bell?

Anyone?

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #33]


And is a separator--The ONLY TRUE GOD= the one who sent Jesus=The Father--thus one must know the Father as that-AND know Jesus

Only the Latin Vulgate and Codex sinacticus( both Catholicism translating) and very few older minor fragments remained when protestants translated--All Greek translating came out of those 2 works that were used by translators after the 14th century.

[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #34]

Some bibles say skilled craftsmen= the exact same meaning.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #33]


And is a separator--The ONLY TRUE GOD= the one who sent Jesus=The Father--thus one must know the Father as that-AND know Jesus

Only the Latin Vulgate and Codex sinacticus( both Catholicism translating) and very few older minor fragments remained when protestants translated--All Greek translating came out of those 2 works that were used by translators after the 14th century.

That's the problem when someone made its own meaning, we will be misled specially relying heavily on paraphrase translations.
The word "and" in John 17:3, in Greek "καί kai" means also, even, and etc.
Nothing that it means a "separator" but it is a "conjunction" and online meaning of conjunction is a word that "connects," a direct contrast to your private interpretation of the word.

A conjunction is a word that connects other words, phrases, or clauses within a sentence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=conjunc ... e&ie=UTF-8

G2532 (Thayer)
καί kai
Thayer Definition:
1) and, also, even

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to marke in post #5]


Yes Jesus is Gods master worker-Prov 8:30= the one who was beside God during the creation process-- Only Jehovah God had the power and wisdom to create anything. He did it through Jesus. Jesus gives God =HE-100% credit-Prov 8:27-28 for creating.
The problem is many of the religions say Both Jehovah and Jesus created things because of the US at Gen 1:26--But verse 27 is clear-HE-not we created.

No such phrase in the Bible as "Master worker." How do you people come up with these deceiving pseudo-words and phrases?

Who are "you people"?
The NASB reads: "Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; and I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him."
The American Standard Version: "Then I was by him, as a master workman; and I was daily his delight..."
The NIV: "Then I was the craftsman at his side..."
The New American Bible: "Then was I beside him as his craftsman..."
Young's Literal Translation: "Then I am near Him, a workman..."
Revised Standard Version: Then I was beside him, like a master workman..."

I guess there is such a phrase in the Bible.