So, I became a Christian...

[2ndRateMind]

...What next?

Does one just continue as before, with the assurance of eventual heaven? Or, is there something Christians ought to be, think, say and do I am unaware of?

Best wishes, 2RM.

[onewithhim]

Eating is not prohibited by Moses on the Sabbath...

Gathering is prohibited, though, and being hungry isn't an excuse. Yahweh was pretty clear about that. It is one's own responsibility to gather enough on Friday to make it through Saturday. He literally called the attempt to gather food on the Sabbath a "refusal to obey My commandments and laws."

I don't equate the rules for gathering manna with the rules concerning no work on the Sabbath. I don't think the manna rules extended down to Jesus' day.

Where in the Law did Jehovah prohibit eating from the field on the Sabbath?

Another thing to keep in mind was that Jesus never broke the Law. He is God's Son and would never disrespect his Father. He may have broken the rules made up by the religious leaders, but never the Torah.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 5 by brianbbs67]

"Test everything"

That is what a Christian doesn't do. They just believe everything the gospels tell them

Did they test that supposed virgin birth prophecy ? If they did they'd know Isaiah was talking to King Ahaz and the prophecy was for him to see. And it's not about Jesus born 790 years later. It's not even about the Messiah

Did they test the supposed fulfilled prophecy "out of Egypt I called my son?". If they did they'd know it isn't about Joseph, Mary and Jesus leaving Egypt. But that it was aboutvthevtine if the exodus during the time of Pharoah.

Did they test the supposed fulfilled prophecy "Rachel weeping for her children?". If they did they'd know it isn't about Herods [supposed] killing of the children. No...it's about the Babylonian exile.

I COULD GO ON

TEST EVERYTHING....WHY ARE YOU GUYS NOT TESTING? The Christian testament writers are making fools out of you. They lie to your face. And here's the slap to the face: you hold the book in your very hands that proves they are lying. And rather then expose them as liars they count in you to sit quietly while it sucks in the next generation. If you refuse to check their claims you... YOU are as guilty as they are for allowing the lies to continue.

Truth...can you speak the truth? Go...look up these three supposed fulfilled prophecies and tell me I am lying. Or tell me I speak the truth. Then go look in the mirror and see if the man or woman he sees in the reflection really loves his neighbor. Loves his neighbor or himself.

Just speak the truth. No matter where it takes you.

Hmmmm I think that a person who tries to upset people with stinging words, and who accuses them of being dull and insensitive to truth is not showing love to his neighbors.

[onewithhim]

Following the "Way of Christ", ie, his manner of living and beliefs, is a good start. Only study will reveal this to you. So, study everything about this religion and as James said, " Test everything and hold fast to what is true."

You do know that Jesus was celibate??? Are you???

Jesus never discouraged marriage. He never viewed marriage as something to be avoided. By the same token he never had his own house or "a place to lay his head," so should we steer clear of buying a house?

1 Corinthians 7:1-9 1Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman." 2But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

So your point is?

[Difflugia]

Where in the Law did Jehovah prohibit eating from the field on the Sabbath?

The Fourth Commandment.

You shall labor six days, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;

If God didn't think gathering food was work, why did he go to the trouble of making special Friday manna so that nobody would have to gather it on Saturday? So, is gathering food OK as long as you eat it immediately? What exactly is the distinction between food gathering that's work and that isn't? Is making a hat OK as long as it's just for you and you immediately put it on? Building a house?

When the Sabbath is discussed in the Old Testament, it's treated as an absolute prohibition against work. In addition to the prohibition against gathering manna that you think doesn't apply, Jeremiah 17:21-22 interprets the prohibition against work to include carrying anything:

Yahweh says, “Be careful, and bear no burden on the Sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem. Don’t carry a burden out of your houses on the Sabbath day. Don’t do any work, but make the Sabbath day holy, as I commanded your fathers.

Jesus doesn't carry anything Himself, but He does tell an ex-leper to carry his bed on the Sabbath in John 5:8-9. I'm pretty sure the point in John is that rigid adherence to the Torah shouldn't be more important than compassion, but that's certainly not the attitude of the Torah itself. Just ask the guy that God Himself ordered executed for picking up sticks on Saturday.

Another thing to keep in mind was that Jesus never broke the Law.

Except for the Sabbath one.

[Avoice]

[Replying to onewithhim]

Yeah...Jesus is said to be sinless. He just gets everyone else to turn their back on the law .

He should have told his disciples that that should have plucked the corn the day before. Oh yeah...he really loves his followers alright.

He is just like HaSatan. He doesn't sin. Just encourages others to sin.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 32 by onewithhim]

Don't change the subject.

Trying to make me out to be insensitive or whatever

Call me insensitive if you want. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. I'm sure you've heard that phrase .

Are you a Christian? If so, then here's your chance to defend your testament . That's what you are here for. I gave you three supposed fulfilled prophecies . Explain how they were fulfilled.

[brianbbs67]

Where in the Law did Jehovah prohibit eating from the field on the Sabbath?

The Fourth Commandment.

You shall labor six days, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;

If God didn't think gathering food was work, why did he go to the trouble of making special Friday manna so that nobody would have to gather it on Saturday? So, is gathering food OK as long as you eat it immediately? What exactly is the distinction between food gathering that's work and that isn't? Is making a hat OK as long as it's just for you and you immediately put it on? Building a house?

When the Sabbath is discussed in the Old Testament, it's treated as an absolute prohibition against work. In addition to the prohibition against gathering manna that you think doesn't apply, Jeremiah 17:21-22 interprets the prohibition against work to include carrying anything:

Yahweh says, “Be careful, and bear no burden on the Sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem. Don’t carry a burden out of your houses on the Sabbath day. Don’t do any work, but make the Sabbath day holy, as I commanded your fathers.

Jesus doesn't carry anything Himself, but He does tell an ex-leper to carry his bed on the Sabbath in John 5:8-9. I'm pretty sure the point in John is that rigid adherence to the Torah shouldn't be more important than compassion, but that's certainly not the attitude of the Torah itself. Just ask the guy that God Himself ordered executed for picking up sticks on Saturday.

Another thing to keep in mind was that Jesus never broke the Law.

Except for the Sabbath one.

The way I see the one in Numbers is he was gathering wood for sale and not just to keep his house warm. It wasn't rigid adherence to Torah Christ railed against. It was man's additional rules and traditions that negated God's law. Remember the whole "Corban" quote in Matthew?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim]

Yeah...Jesus is said to be sinless. He just gets everyone else to turn their back on the law .

He should have told his disciples that that should have plucked the corn the day before. Oh yeah...he really loves his followers alright.

He is just like HaSatan. He doesn't sin. Just encourages others to sin.

I don't like your attitude. Jesus said that we should not throw our pearls before certain individuals, and so that is why I'm not responding to any more of your disrespect. And it was WHEAT, not corn.

[Difflugia]

The way I see the one in Numbers is he was gathering wood for sale and not just to keep his house warm.

What led you to that conclusion? Is it something about how the text was written? Is it a matter of "God wouldn't do that?" Is it because you believe a priori that Jesus wouldn't break the Law, so there must be some other interpretation?

There's nothing to the context of Numbers 15:32 that suggests commerce to me or that anything more egregious than simply "gathering wood" was implied. In context, verses 32-36 read to me as an illustration of verses 22-31. If the commandments are broken unintentionally, then there must be atonement to God, no personal punishment. If someone intentionally transgresses the Law, then the person must be "cut off," which usually means the death penalty when applied to a person.

It looks to me like the example of picking up sticks was chosen for the text specifically because it's innocuous, but intentional. The point that I see is that there are no exceptions.

That brings me back to the question I asked before. What kinds of work are transgressions of the Sabbath and what aren't? You said that gathering food to eat immediately isn't proscribed by the Sabbath law and now you're implying that gathering sticks for one's own use wouldn't break the Sabbath. Is that the difference? Does work for one's own benefit not break the Sabbath or is there a finer distinction that I'm missing?

[Difflugia]

And it was WHEAT, not corn.

Or barley, or rye, or sorghum.

Matthew 12:1, KJV:

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.

Though it has come to almost exclusively mean maize in US English, the word "corn" can properly refer to any grain.