What did Christ Yeshua command us, part 1-Obey the Law

[brianbbs67]

I am compiling lists of what Jesus commanded us to do to follow him. They easily came under topics. The first I would like to explore is his command for all to follow the Law and Prophets. I used the four gospels only.

Here is Matthew:

5:14, 17-19 7:12-24 15:4-9 19:7 11:50 22:37-40 23:1-3

28:19-20

Mark:

1:44 7:8-13 10:2-12 10:19 12:29-31

Luke-Acts, 1:

4:4 4:8 4:12 5:14 8:21 10:26-28 11:28 16:16-18 16:29-31

17:10? 18:20

John :

5:45-47 6:45 7:19 8:17 10:34-38 14:15,21,23-24 15:10,25

These are verses where Jesus says follow the law or obey my commands. Which many of his commands were to uphold the Law. This list is not authoritative or probably fully complete. It came one evening as I read through the 4 Gospels completely and wrote down chapter and verse I says pertaining to the Law.

Looking at this alone. Why are we not following the Law that Christ told his followers to follow?

[postroad]

[Replying to post 29 by myth-one.com]
And yet there they are in Jerusalem with thousands of believers all worshiping in the Temple.

[brianbbs67]

How can law given by God be faulty??

The first covenant contained the fault -- Not the law!

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (Hebrews 8:6-7)

There would have been no second testament and covenant if the first had been faultless.

What specifically in God's covenant is faulty?

Hebrew 8 is good example. Read verse 5 and continue until the end of 8.

The law will be written on our hearts. God's law, the original. The new covenant is Verse 10 to the end. " I will remember their sins no more" What is made obsolete is the curse of the law leading to eternal death, not the rest of the law. God's law is eternal as the quoted verses from Jeremiah 31 say. The law was not made obsolete. The penalty was if we then follow Christ and try to sin no more.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 30 by brianbbs67]

Are we pretending that Paul didn't declare circumcision, dietary restrictions, cerimonial cleanliness ordinances, the Sabbath day, Passover, new moon and all other feasts and observances null and void?

Come on? You want your cake and eat it to. Simply call Paul a false prophet and move on.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 30 by brianbbs67]

Are we pretending that Paul didn't declare circumcision, dietary restrictions, cerimonial cleanliness ordinances, the Sabbath day, Passover, new moon and all other feasts and observances null and void?

Come on? You want your cake and eat it to. Simply call Paul a false prophet and move on.

He seems to be if we view him wrongly. Paul's words are twisted by the uneducated and unstable , even today.

2 Peter 3:15-17

[postroad]

[Replying to post 34 by brianbbs67]

I'm pretty sure that Peter the Disciple didn't write that book. You are indicating that the Church fathers were stupid and unstable?

A substantial percentage of messianic believers readily admit that they believe Paul was a false Apostle. Are you calling them out as stupid and twisted?

[myth-one.com]

What specifically in God's covenant is faulty?

The goal, reward, or inheritance which is received by humans who qualify as heirs under either testament is eternal life. Eternal life is presented throughout the Bible as a future gift or reward, and never as something mankind presently possesses.

Those who do not qualify as inheritors of eternal life will perish.

There are at least two parties to a will or covenant, the testator and the inheritor(s). Both Bible testaments are between God and mankind.

The fault in the first covenant was that no one ever qualified to become an heir!

That is, the wages of sin was defined as death, and everyone sinned.

No human ever became an heir under that first covenant until Jesus Christ.

Jesus lived a sinless life and became the first and only human ever to have His name written in the book of life as an inheritor of everlasting life under the first covenant.

This produced an opportunity to fix the "fault" in the first covenant!
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Jesus is set to be born again as an everlasting spiritual bodied being when the first covenant is probated at the end of time.

This inheritance awaits Jesus as the only inheritor of everlasting life under the first covenant between God and mankind.

However, being the "property" of Jesus, He can freely give it away -- which He does to those who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins.

Thus salvation under the New Testament becomes a gift and not something earned through our efforts to fulfill the law.

But the Law is not flawed, nor abandoned. Christians should be recognized by their efforts to fulfill the law. That is, he or she does such and such, gee -- they must be Christians.

Here is the Biblical "legal justification" for the requirements of mankind to gain everlasting life under the New Testament:

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

[postroad]

[myth-one.com]

If you define sinless as keeping the Law perfectly as a man, then Jesus doesn't qualify.

According to the Bible, Jesus was without sin His entire life:

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Where does it mention in the Bible that Jesus sinned?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 34 by brianbbs67]

I'm pretty sure that Peter the Disciple didn't write that book. You are indicating that the Church fathers were stupid and unstable?

A substantial percentage of messianic believers readily admit that they believe Paul was a false Apostle. Are you calling them out as stupid and twisted?

Peter the apostle may have not written it. Are the words, then, untrue? Most of the NT is the same. No one knows who wrote it because the early disciples wanted no credit for themselves. Things were added and taken too. Its easy to find the added. The taken is another matter altogether.

Ignorant refers to the gentiles and their pagan practices. Unstable refers to those wanting to twist the truth to their liking. Which probably included most gentiles. The church fathers were James the just, Jude and Simeon. All brothers of Christ. The following Roman church made their own destiny.

If in the end only a remnant remains of Christ, how is that possible ? Without many being misled.

Stupid is ignoring what you know is true. Ignorance is not knowing.

[brianbbs67]

What specifically in God's covenant is faulty?

The goal, reward, or inheritance which is received by humans who qualify as heirs under either testament is eternal life. Eternal life is presented throughout the Bible as a future gift or reward, and never as something mankind presently possesses.

Those who do not qualify as inheritors of eternal life will perish.

There are at least two parties to a will or covenant, the testator and the inheritor(s). Both Bible testaments are between God and mankind.

The fault in the first covenant was that no one ever qualified to become an heir!

That is, the wages of sin was defined as death, and everyone sinned.

No human ever became an heir under that first covenant until Jesus Christ.

Jesus lived a sinless life and became the first and only human ever to have His name written in the book of life as an inheritor of everlasting life under the first covenant.

This produced an opportunity to fix the "fault" in the first covenant!
===================================================

Jesus is set to be born again as an everlasting spiritual bodied being when the first covenant is probated at the end of time.

This inheritance awaits Jesus as the only inheritor of everlasting life under the first covenant between God and mankind.

However, being the "property" of Jesus, He can freely give it away -- which He does to those who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins.

Thus salvation under the New Testament becomes a gift and not something earned through our efforts to fulfill the law.

But the Law is not flawed, nor abandoned. Christians should be recognized by their efforts to fulfill the law. That is, he or she does such and such, gee -- they must be Christians.

Here is the Biblical "legal justification" for the requirements of mankind to gain everlasting life under the New Testament:

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

I like that you know the covenants are with mankind, not just Isreal. You are correct. None of us can be lawful perfectly. You are also correct we should try every day to be perfect. Although, it is only out of respect and obedience to God. He told us what to do to be saved. We just can't quite get there. Enter Yeshua. We now have absolution from the penalty of the law. Should we then sin? Heavens no! We have a way to make things right with God and should take it. As James said, "show me your faith and I will show you my works" "faith without works is dead". We should all bear good fruit.