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Matthew 12:40

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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x� days and “x�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didn’t include at least parts of the “x� days and at least parts of the “x� nights?

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InTheFlesh,

re: "This formula equals 3 days and 3 nights according to the biblical definition of day and night in Genesis. "

The Messiah said He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. So assuming that meant three days and three nights in the the tomb, your 3 hours of afternoon darkness cannot be used to arrive at the third night.

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[Replying to post 29 by Benoni]

The only "thing" that can be spiritual is a spirit.
What makes a man spiritual is the spirit that is in him.
So all men are spiritual but not all believe in God.
Every believer is spiritual.
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InTheFlesh wrote: [Replying to post 29 by Benoni]

The only "thing" that can be spiritual is a spirit.
What makes a man spiritual is the spirit that is in him.
So all men are spiritual but not all believe in God.
Every believer is spiritual.
Really???


1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

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[Replying to post 30 by rstrats]
The Messiah said He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. So assuming that meant three days and three nights in the the tomb, your 3 hours of afternoon darkness cannot be used to arrive at the third night.
The "heart of the earth" does not refer to the tomb.
He was not in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.
His flesh was in the sepulchre for less than 48 hrs.

How do you explain 3 days and 3 nights and raised on the 3rd day?
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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[Replying to post 32 by Benoni]

Sorry but "really" is not much of a counter.
I don't disagree with the scriptures you shared, so what are you saying?
I am aware that they were carnally minded babes in Christ.
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[Replying to post 34 by InTheFlesh]

There are carnally minded religious people who totally dismiss the Spirit of truth with in them and they are believers and have been all their lives.

Point is what is a spiritual man?

A spiirtual man hears what the spirit reveals in God's Word. A carnal believer only hears his preacher, pope or petty dogma and rejects things that are spiritual.


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Take: Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:


Please some one turn the light on.

A sheep is a mature believe, a sheep is a very loyal to His master and eats only the best of the grasses. As a boy I notice the farmer would give the sheep the second and third cuttings of grass; full of leaves and substance. A cow would eat the first cutting the lesser of the hay crop, made up of stems and little leaf compared to the earlier cuttings. Of course a goat will eat any garbage as long as it is in front of his nose.

Now I want to go to Matt 25:32 and I note; many are assuming a goat is a non believer, all it is your assumption, look at the Greek; I see a goat as an immature believer (baby goat); who are separated because of their spiritual immaturity. Many are mature in their little religious box; but are immature spiritually; they have that immature goat nature.

Sheep Separated from Goats

Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:


Where on the other hand a goat or the Greek word (eriphos or kid; baby goat) So I see it as God separating his Sheep mature from His immature kids; spiritually speaking)

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

On the other hand a goat is also a clean animal, now if you the verse referred to a pig or unclean animal I would agree with the traditional teaching. A pig would be a great example of the unjust/heathen; but a goat was used all though out the OT as a sacrificial animal’ so how can it be the unjust? (scrape goat); and why would God burn up a baby goat in everlasting fire; what did the baby goat do?

Actually nothing; the unqualified and unjust and bias translators obvious made a grave error in the word everlasting and should of translated it ages (NT:166 Aionios). The word means ages; limit duration. The has happen a number of times in scripture and can be easily proven by the context of the verse.


But according to these bias translators God is going to send a baby goat to everlasting fire.

Matt 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

So many of God’s people are goats and all they eat is garbage;

Is not a goat a clean animal; how can a goat be the unsaved; the unsaved are defiled; Jesus was a Jew and knew all the clean and unclean animal. So you are saying we should throw away all the OT types and dismiss them and replace them with bias Christian assumptions?

How carnal.

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That is why i asked what is your point?
I said i am aware they are babes in Christ!
When did i say they were unsaved?
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[Replying to post 36 by InTheFlesh]

There are millions of carnal christians who are saved filled with the spirit who are carnal and have been good christians for many many years. Yes they are not babes when it comes to their belief. But when it comes to spiritual matters they are carnal babes.

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InTheFlesh,

re: "The 'heart of the earth' does [did] not refer to the tomb."

How do you know that?


re: "How do you explain 3 days and 3 nights and raised on the 3rd day?"

Possible scenario:

Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 both say "after three days" so a 5th day of the week crucifixion with a 1st day of the week resurrection - which would be after 3 days - would allow for at least a part of each one of the 3 day times and at least a part of each one of the 3 nights times.

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InTheFlesh,

re: "The 'heart of the earth' does [did] not refer to the tomb."

How do you know that?


re: "How do you explain 3 days and 3 nights and raised on the 3rd day?"

Possible scenario:

Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 both say "after three days" so a 5th day of the week crucifixion with a 1st day of the week resurrection - which would be after 3 days - would allow for at least a part of each one of the 3 day times and at least a part of each one of the 3 nights times.

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