SABBATH...

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[rstrats]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #260]

Sorry, for some reason I thought you were referring to the fault being with the commandments themselves. I guess I had verse 8 in mind.

[John17_3]

[Replying to Capbook in post #248]

Genesis 1:11(Third day of creation) God created vegetation but no mention about it being food.
Many thousand years passed......
(Fourth day of creation)
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:20 (Fifth day of creation) God created the fowls and its every kind.
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:30 (Sixth day of creation) God inform the fowls of what their food is. Do fowls survived many thousand year not knowing what their food is?

This is what I mean, fowls were created in the fifth day of creation. Per JW interpretation a day in the creation week would be a many thousand years shall passed. After a many thousand years had passed (the sixth day) God inform Adam what the fowls food are. Can fowls survived without knowing what food to eat? As I understand, JW said fowls had instinct, eating the vegetation created on the third day of creation week.
Do your god not all knowing? Informing Adam on the sixth what fowls food are, not knowing that the fowls were already eating many thousand years ago?

Please read Genesis 1:29, 30
God is not here telling the fowls what do eat.
Did you notice that, God is communicating with the human creation.
The animals already know what to eat. It is built into their genome. They don't need instruction, as if they are intelligent humans.

Yes, God inform Adam what fowls food are on the sixth day of creation. And you said they were already eating as it is built in their genome? Even before God's instruction?

What instruction?
There was no instruction.
If your mother tells you that the dog next door eats bottles, is your mom giving you or the dog instructions?

God told Adam, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”
It's simply like saying, Everything is good. This is how it is. This is how it will be.
That is informing - informing Adam of his purpose. It's not an instruction.

So, your god knows nothing about it? Why God still give the information to Adam?

What do you mean by "your god knows nothing about it"? What does my God not know about?

They don't need instruction? As if they are intelligent human? That makes your god not intelligent and not all knowing.

How so? Please explain.

Your god is not intelligent enough to understand that the fowl and its kind created on the fifth day were already eating many thousand years ago the vegetation that was created on the third day of the creation week.
Why still your god gives instruction what their foods are on the sixth day? That makes your god not all knowing.

Please point out where that instruction is.
Also, please explain what all knowing has to do with giving instructions, or not.

This is the instruction, God inform or instruct Adam what fowls food are in the sixth day of creation. (Gen 1:30,31)
Fowls were created in the fifth day, (per JW interpretation "day" is many thousand years)
The result of JW interpretation would be that from the fifth day the fowls does not know what their food would be for many thousand years. (before the sixth day's instruction)
If you would say that they have instinct or intelligent enough to eat the vegetation created on the third day.
Then what's the purpose of the true God's instruction or information to Adam? (Gen 1:30,31)
With that interpretation, you make your god knows nothing that fowls were already eating, why still gives instructions?

Why are you saying "inform or instruct"; "instruction or information"?
Are you "limping between two different opinions"?
Is that because you know it is not an instruction, but information, but you do not want to let go of the former.
Can I encourage you to please let it go. We can all see, it is God informing Adam. Not instructing him.
You do see that, right?

I still do not get your logic though.
For one thing, even if the animals were intelligent enough to know that when God "instructed" them to multiply, that meant they were to use their reproductive organs, and somehow work out which does what, and what to do, exactly, that has nothing to do with God stating his purpose out loud.

I'm curious though.
When God "instructed" the animals, do you think they understood what they had, and what they needed to do with them?
For example, did the birds go "Multiply? Ah." Looked at their cloacas and winked at each other, because they understood that they had to align these for something to happen?
Do you think the birds would understand an instruction to eat?

How about if the DNA code transmitted that instruction? Does that not sound more like an all wise God?
I don't see the logic behind your argument about not being all knowing. Sorry.

Gen 1:30-31
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

That really conveys God's purpose for the one reading the text, from 3,000 years ago, until now, doesn't it?
Imagine if God left out that bit of information. Would anyone know that God originally created the animals to eat herbs?
No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the dark, thinking that it is natural for animals to eat each other.
However, our all wise God, informed us.

Ok, I'll do a step by step explanation;
1. In interpreting "day" as many thousand years would leave fowls no information what food to eat for many thousand years. Yes or no?

No. I already answered that. Where is the information for you and the animals to defecate?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to John17_3 in post #262]

Point well made. If, upon their creation, animals were programmed to defecate they would certainly have been programmed to eat.

[John17_3]

[Replying to John17_3 in post #262]

Point well made. If, upon their creation, animals were programmed to defecate they would certainly have been programmed to eat.

It is a known scientific fact.
In fact, if both we and animals adapt to eat things other than what we normally were designed to eat, how do we do it on God's instructions.

There is no scripture that says, God instructed animals to eat each other.
Animals have adapted to eating various things. Bacteria for example, devours cotton, and plastic. Certainly, God did not instruct them to, but the genes did.
All the information is in the DNA, and is passed on to offspring.

I can't picture Adam eating a rock, and they obviously learned to avoid poisonous foods, in order to have survived.

[rstrats]

What does any of this have to do with the Sabbath? Rule #4 - "Stay on the topic of debate. If a topic brings up another issue, start another thread."

[Capbook]

[Replying to John17_3 in post #262]

Point well made. If, upon their creation, animals were programmed to defecate they would certainly have been programmed to eat.

Nothing in Gen 1:30,31 the sixth day of the creation week mentioned about defecation, it talks about what the fowls food are which were created many thousand years ago (fifth day of creation) without knowing what their foods would be per JW interpretation. A more logical interpretation would be that "day" is a 24 hour period, as also defined by lexicon Greek word "yom".

יום yôm BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #248]

Genesis 1:11(Third day of creation) God created vegetation but no mention about it being food.
Many thousand years passed......
(Fourth day of creation)
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:20 (Fifth day of creation) God created the fowls and its every kind.
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:30 (Sixth day of creation) God inform the fowls of what their food is. Do fowls survived many thousand year not knowing what their food is?

This is what I mean, fowls were created in the fifth day of creation. Per JW interpretation a day in the creation week would be a many thousand years shall passed. After a many thousand years had passed (the sixth day) God inform Adam what the fowls food are. Can fowls survived without knowing what food to eat? As I understand, JW said fowls had instinct, eating the vegetation created on the third day of creation week.
Do your god not all knowing? Informing Adam on the sixth what fowls food are, not knowing that the fowls were already eating many thousand years ago?

Please read Genesis 1:29, 30
God is not here telling the fowls what do eat.
Did you notice that, God is communicating with the human creation.
The animals already know what to eat. It is built into their genome. They don't need instruction, as if they are intelligent humans.

Yes, God inform Adam what fowls food are on the sixth day of creation. And you said they were already eating as it is built in their genome? Even before God's instruction?

What instruction?
There was no instruction.
If your mother tells you that the dog next door eats bottles, is your mom giving you or the dog instructions?

God told Adam, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”
It's simply like saying, Everything is good. This is how it is. This is how it will be.
That is informing - informing Adam of his purpose. It's not an instruction.

So, your god knows nothing about it? Why God still give the information to Adam?

What do you mean by "your god knows nothing about it"? What does my God not know about?

They don't need instruction? As if they are intelligent human? That makes your god not intelligent and not all knowing.

How so? Please explain.

Your god is not intelligent enough to understand that the fowl and its kind created on the fifth day were already eating many thousand years ago the vegetation that was created on the third day of the creation week.
Why still your god gives instruction what their foods are on the sixth day? That makes your god not all knowing.

Please point out where that instruction is.
Also, please explain what all knowing has to do with giving instructions, or not.

This is the instruction, God inform or instruct Adam what fowls food are in the sixth day of creation. (Gen 1:30,31)
Fowls were created in the fifth day, (per JW interpretation "day" is many thousand years)
The result of JW interpretation would be that from the fifth day the fowls does not know what their food would be for many thousand years. (before the sixth day's instruction)
If you would say that they have instinct or intelligent enough to eat the vegetation created on the third day.
Then what's the purpose of the true God's instruction or information to Adam? (Gen 1:30,31)
With that interpretation, you make your god knows nothing that fowls were already eating, why still gives instructions?

Why are you saying "inform or instruct"; "instruction or information"?
Are you "limping between two different opinions"?
Is that because you know it is not an instruction, but information, but you do not want to let go of the former.
Can I encourage you to please let it go. We can all see, it is God informing Adam. Not instructing him.
You do see that, right?

I still do not get your logic though.
For one thing, even if the animals were intelligent enough to know that when God "instructed" them to multiply, that meant they were to use their reproductive organs, and somehow work out which does what, and what to do, exactly, that has nothing to do with God stating his purpose out loud.

I'm curious though.
When God "instructed" the animals, do you think they understood what they had, and what they needed to do with them?
For example, did the birds go "Multiply? Ah." Looked at their cloacas and winked at each other, because they understood that they had to align these for something to happen?
Do you think the birds would understand an instruction to eat?

How about if the DNA code transmitted that instruction? Does that not sound more like an all wise God?
I don't see the logic behind your argument about not being all knowing. Sorry.

Gen 1:30-31
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

That really conveys God's purpose for the one reading the text, from 3,000 years ago, until now, doesn't it?
Imagine if God left out that bit of information. Would anyone know that God originally created the animals to eat herbs?
No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the dark, thinking that it is natural for animals to eat each other.
However, our all wise God, informed us.

Ok, I'll do a step by step explanation;
1. In interpreting "day" as many thousand years would leave fowls no information what food to eat for many thousand years. Yes or no?

No. I already answered that. Where is the information for you and the animals to defecate?

Nothing in Gen 1:30,31 the sixth day of the creation week mentioned about defecation, it talks about what the fowls food are which were created many thousand years ago (fifth day of creation) without knowing what their foods would be per JW interpretation. A more logical interpretation would be that "day" is a 24 hour period, as also defined by lexicon Greek word "yom".
Can you show us lexicon of "day" means as many thousand years?


יום yôm BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #248]


Please read Genesis 1:29, 30
God is not here telling the fowls what do eat.
Did you notice that, God is communicating with the human creation.
The animals already know what to eat. It is built into their genome. They don't need instruction, as if they are intelligent humans.

Yes, God inform Adam what fowls food are on the sixth day of creation. And you said they were already eating as it is built in their genome? Even before God's instruction?

What instruction?
There was no instruction.
If your mother tells you that the dog next door eats bottles, is your mom giving you or the dog instructions?

God told Adam, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”
It's simply like saying, Everything is good. This is how it is. This is how it will be.
That is informing - informing Adam of his purpose. It's not an instruction.

So, your god knows nothing about it? Why God still give the information to Adam?

What do you mean by "your god knows nothing about it"? What does my God not know about?

They don't need instruction? As if they are intelligent human? That makes your god not intelligent and not all knowing.

How so? Please explain.

Your god is not intelligent enough to understand that the fowl and its kind created on the fifth day were already eating many thousand years ago the vegetation that was created on the third day of the creation week.
Why still your god gives instruction what their foods are on the sixth day? That makes your god not all knowing.

Please point out where that instruction is.
Also, please explain what all knowing has to do with giving instructions, or not.

This is the instruction, God inform or instruct Adam what fowls food are in the sixth day of creation. (Gen 1:30,31)
Fowls were created in the fifth day, (per JW interpretation "day" is many thousand years)
The result of JW interpretation would be that from the fifth day the fowls does not know what their food would be for many thousand years. (before the sixth day's instruction)
If you would say that they have instinct or intelligent enough to eat the vegetation created on the third day.
Then what's the purpose of the true God's instruction or information to Adam? (Gen 1:30,31)
With that interpretation, you make your god knows nothing that fowls were already eating, why still gives instructions?

Why are you saying "inform or instruct"; "instruction or information"?
Are you "limping between two different opinions"?
Is that because you know it is not an instruction, but information, but you do not want to let go of the former.
Can I encourage you to please let it go. We can all see, it is God informing Adam. Not instructing him.
You do see that, right?

I still do not get your logic though.
For one thing, even if the animals were intelligent enough to know that when God "instructed" them to multiply, that meant they were to use their reproductive organs, and somehow work out which does what, and what to do, exactly, that has nothing to do with God stating his purpose out loud.

I'm curious though.
When God "instructed" the animals, do you think they understood what they had, and what they needed to do with them?
For example, did the birds go "Multiply? Ah." Looked at their cloacas and winked at each other, because they understood that they had to align these for something to happen?
Do you think the birds would understand an instruction to eat?

How about if the DNA code transmitted that instruction? Does that not sound more like an all wise God?
I don't see the logic behind your argument about not being all knowing. Sorry.

Gen 1:30-31
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

That really conveys God's purpose for the one reading the text, from 3,000 years ago, until now, doesn't it?
Imagine if God left out that bit of information. Would anyone know that God originally created the animals to eat herbs?
No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the dark, thinking that it is natural for animals to eat each other.
However, our all wise God, informed us.

Ok, I'll do a step by step explanation;
1. In interpreting "day" as many thousand years would leave fowls no information what food to eat for many thousand years. Yes or no?

No. I already answered that. Where is the information for you and the animals to defecate?

Nothing in Gen 1:30,31 the sixth day of the creation week mentioned about defecation, it talks about what the fowls food are which were created many thousand years ago (fifth day of creation) without knowing what their foods would be per JW interpretation. A more logical interpretation would be that "day" is a 24 hour period, as also defined by lexicon Greek word "yom".
Can you show us lexicon of "day" means as many thousand years?


יום yôm BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

Use your power of reason. A "day" could be just the time period, as you see in #1. No set amount of years. Also in 1a, "day" means "as opposed to night." The could mean that there is a beginning of a time period succeeded by the "night," or, the end of a period of time. It could not mean a 24 hour period if we are to believe Genesis 2:4.

[Capbook]

Yes, God inform Adam what fowls food are on the sixth day of creation. And you said they were already eating as it is built in their genome? Even before God's instruction?

What instruction?
There was no instruction.
If your mother tells you that the dog next door eats bottles, is your mom giving you or the dog instructions?

God told Adam, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”
It's simply like saying, Everything is good. This is how it is. This is how it will be.
That is informing - informing Adam of his purpose. It's not an instruction.

So, your god knows nothing about it? Why God still give the information to Adam?

What do you mean by "your god knows nothing about it"? What does my God not know about?

They don't need instruction? As if they are intelligent human? That makes your god not intelligent and not all knowing.

How so? Please explain.

Your god is not intelligent enough to understand that the fowl and its kind created on the fifth day were already eating many thousand years ago the vegetation that was created on the third day of the creation week.
Why still your god gives instruction what their foods are on the sixth day? That makes your god not all knowing.

Please point out where that instruction is.
Also, please explain what all knowing has to do with giving instructions, or not.

This is the instruction, God inform or instruct Adam what fowls food are in the sixth day of creation. (Gen 1:30,31)
Fowls were created in the fifth day, (per JW interpretation "day" is many thousand years)
The result of JW interpretation would be that from the fifth day the fowls does not know what their food would be for many thousand years. (before the sixth day's instruction)
If you would say that they have instinct or intelligent enough to eat the vegetation created on the third day.
Then what's the purpose of the true God's instruction or information to Adam? (Gen 1:30,31)
With that interpretation, you make your god knows nothing that fowls were already eating, why still gives instructions?

Why are you saying "inform or instruct"; "instruction or information"?
Are you "limping between two different opinions"?
Is that because you know it is not an instruction, but information, but you do not want to let go of the former.
Can I encourage you to please let it go. We can all see, it is God informing Adam. Not instructing him.
You do see that, right?

I still do not get your logic though.
For one thing, even if the animals were intelligent enough to know that when God "instructed" them to multiply, that meant they were to use their reproductive organs, and somehow work out which does what, and what to do, exactly, that has nothing to do with God stating his purpose out loud.

I'm curious though.
When God "instructed" the animals, do you think they understood what they had, and what they needed to do with them?
For example, did the birds go "Multiply? Ah." Looked at their cloacas and winked at each other, because they understood that they had to align these for something to happen?
Do you think the birds would understand an instruction to eat?

How about if the DNA code transmitted that instruction? Does that not sound more like an all wise God?
I don't see the logic behind your argument about not being all knowing. Sorry.

Gen 1:30-31
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

That really conveys God's purpose for the one reading the text, from 3,000 years ago, until now, doesn't it?
Imagine if God left out that bit of information. Would anyone know that God originally created the animals to eat herbs?
No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the dark, thinking that it is natural for animals to eat each other.
However, our all wise God, informed us.

Ok, I'll do a step by step explanation;
1. In interpreting "day" as many thousand years would leave fowls no information what food to eat for many thousand years. Yes or no?

No. I already answered that. Where is the information for you and the animals to defecate?

Nothing in Gen 1:30,31 the sixth day of the creation week mentioned about defecation, it talks about what the fowls food are which were created many thousand years ago (fifth day of creation) without knowing what their foods would be per JW interpretation. A more logical interpretation would be that "day" is a 24 hour period, as also defined by lexicon Greek word "yom".
Can you show us lexicon of "day" means as many thousand years?


יום yôm BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

Use your power of reason. A "day" could be just the time period, as you see in #1. No set amount of years. Also in 1a, "day" means "as opposed to night." The could mean that there is a beginning of a time period succeeded by the "night," or, the end of a period of time. It could not mean a 24 hour period if we are to believe Genesis 2:4.

Does #1 definition says "many thousand years"? It's just singular "year". The power of reasons I believe is knowing what is singular and what is plural.
Did your Jesus says that "day" is twelve hours? I just wonder if your place or residence doesn't have 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night. The OT and NT "day" defined by lexicon as 24 hours.I colored them red above and below. (John 11:9)

ἡμέρα hēmera
Thayer Definition:
1) the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night
1a) in the daytime
1b) metaphorically, “the day” is regarded as the time for abstaining from indulgence, vice, crime, because acts of the sort are perpetrated at night and in darkness
2) of the civil day, or the space of twenty four hours (thus including the night)

Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

[onewithhim]

What instruction?
There was no instruction.
If your mother tells you that the dog next door eats bottles, is your mom giving you or the dog instructions?

God told Adam, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”
It's simply like saying, Everything is good. This is how it is. This is how it will be.
That is informing - informing Adam of his purpose. It's not an instruction.


What do you mean by "your god knows nothing about it"? What does my God not know about?


How so? Please explain.

Your god is not intelligent enough to understand that the fowl and its kind created on the fifth day were already eating many thousand years ago the vegetation that was created on the third day of the creation week.
Why still your god gives instruction what their foods are on the sixth day? That makes your god not all knowing.

Please point out where that instruction is.
Also, please explain what all knowing has to do with giving instructions, or not.

This is the instruction, God inform or instruct Adam what fowls food are in the sixth day of creation. (Gen 1:30,31)
Fowls were created in the fifth day, (per JW interpretation "day" is many thousand years)
The result of JW interpretation would be that from the fifth day the fowls does not know what their food would be for many thousand years. (before the sixth day's instruction)
If you would say that they have instinct or intelligent enough to eat the vegetation created on the third day.
Then what's the purpose of the true God's instruction or information to Adam? (Gen 1:30,31)
With that interpretation, you make your god knows nothing that fowls were already eating, why still gives instructions?

Why are you saying "inform or instruct"; "instruction or information"?
Are you "limping between two different opinions"?
Is that because you know it is not an instruction, but information, but you do not want to let go of the former.
Can I encourage you to please let it go. We can all see, it is God informing Adam. Not instructing him.
You do see that, right?

I still do not get your logic though.
For one thing, even if the animals were intelligent enough to know that when God "instructed" them to multiply, that meant they were to use their reproductive organs, and somehow work out which does what, and what to do, exactly, that has nothing to do with God stating his purpose out loud.

I'm curious though.
When God "instructed" the animals, do you think they understood what they had, and what they needed to do with them?
For example, did the birds go "Multiply? Ah." Looked at their cloacas and winked at each other, because they understood that they had to align these for something to happen?
Do you think the birds would understand an instruction to eat?

How about if the DNA code transmitted that instruction? Does that not sound more like an all wise God?
I don't see the logic behind your argument about not being all knowing. Sorry.

Gen 1:30-31
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

That really conveys God's purpose for the one reading the text, from 3,000 years ago, until now, doesn't it?
Imagine if God left out that bit of information. Would anyone know that God originally created the animals to eat herbs?
No, we wouldn't. We'd be in the dark, thinking that it is natural for animals to eat each other.
However, our all wise God, informed us.

Ok, I'll do a step by step explanation;
1. In interpreting "day" as many thousand years would leave fowls no information what food to eat for many thousand years. Yes or no?

No. I already answered that. Where is the information for you and the animals to defecate?

Nothing in Gen 1:30,31 the sixth day of the creation week mentioned about defecation, it talks about what the fowls food are which were created many thousand years ago (fifth day of creation) without knowing what their foods would be per JW interpretation. A more logical interpretation would be that "day" is a 24 hour period, as also defined by lexicon Greek word "yom".
Can you show us lexicon of "day" means as many thousand years?


יום yôm BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

Use your power of reason. A "day" could be just the time period, as you see in #1. No set amount of years. Also in 1a, "day" means "as opposed to night." The could mean that there is a beginning of a time period succeeded by the "night," or, the end of a period of time. It could not mean a 24 hour period if we are to believe Genesis 2:4.

Does #1 definition says "many thousand years"? It's just singular "year". The power of reasons I believe is knowing what is singular and what is plural.
Did your Jesus says that "day" is twelve hours? I just wonder if your place or residence doesn't have 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night. The OT and NT "day" defined by lexicon as 24 hours.I colored them red above and below. (John 11:9)

ἡμέρα hēmera
Thayer Definition:
1) the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night
1a) in the daytime
1b) metaphorically, “the day” is regarded as the time for abstaining from indulgence, vice, crime, because acts of the sort are perpetrated at night and in darkness
2) of the civil day, or the space of twenty four hours (thus including the night)

Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

You have a metaphorical meaning of "day," as seen in your 1b. It seems to be that a "day" does not have to mean a 24 hour period. You still haven't answered my question to you about Genesis 2:4. That shows, does it not, that a "day" is just an unspecified time period.

"This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day the Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (Genesis 2:4) See the American Standard Version or Young's Literal Translation.