Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment
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Post #21May I know how you define Christian?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:25 amThey were disciples of Christ but the "Christian" church ( which replaced the Jewish system of worship) was not established until Pentecost 33 CE about five weeks after Christs death and resurrection. The end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews came 3 1/2 years later (half a biblical week) in 36 C.E. (Dan 9:27a)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:57 amAre the "they" in Luke 23:56 not Christians? Are they not followers of Christ?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:24 amNo, Christians are not under the Mosaic law and do not have to keep a weekly Sabbath . That system was in place until the death of Christ, after that, for born again Christians and all that follow Christ , every day of the week is "The Lords day".
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Post #22Jews were God's people in the OT, are Christians not God's people?nawlens wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:43 am [Replying to Capbook in post #10]
In Acts 21. The Jews were accusing Paul of "apostasy," or going from, and totally abandoning, Mosaic and Judaic law to the New Covenant. He wasn't calling for a total abandonment, only a few things like sacrifices were forbidden. Christian Jews were allowed to continue in many of their Jewish customs, traditions, and festivals. That shows that apostasy IS NOT a partial abandonment but a complete abandonment of all Jewish customs and traditions.
IOW - The Sabbath was meant for the Jewish nation and that's it! Since the crucifixion, Christians and Jewish believers as well are not bound to the Sabbath, they can worship whatever day they like.
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Post #23God's people in the Old Testament loved God Deut 5:10, 6:5, and observed the Sabbath. And in John 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments. If not keeping one of His commandment, is it not a sin?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:44 pmBecause while one needn’t observe it, one can observe it and great good can come from doing so.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:54 amYou've said that, "In v. 11, he says one needn't observe physical circumcision (and the Jewish Christians didn't require it or Sabbath-keeping of the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 either)." If they needn't observe Sabbath-keeping in Acts 15, but why in the next chapter 16 verses 13-15, on Sabbath day there was preaching, conversion and results to baptism of the family of Lydia.
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Post #24Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 3:28 amMay I know how you define Christian?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:25 am They were disciples of Christ but the "Christian" church ( which replaced the Jewish system of worship) was not established until Pentecost 33 CE about five weeks after Christs death and resurrection. The end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews came 3 1/2 years later (half a biblical week) in 36 C.E. (Dan 9:27a)
Also your definition of church?
- A Christian is a dedicated follower of Christ.
- The Christian church is the body of spirit anointed Christian and all those associated with them
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Post #25Actually, God promised to never break His covenant with the children of Israel, nor to ever totally destroy them:JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:25 am
The end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews came 3 1/2 years later (half a biblical week) in 36 C.E. (Dan 9:27a)
And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God. (Leviticus 26:44)
There will always be an Israel.
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Post #26I believe that the disciples rested on the sabbath day BEFORE Jesus died and fulfilled the Law of Moses. After that, since Jesus fulfilled the Law, all those rules, including the Sabbath, were disbanded.
"Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come , but the reality belongs to the Christ." (Colossians 2:16,17)
"And blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He [God] has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the 'cross.'" (Colossians 2:14)
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Post #27When saying "God's commandments" those commandments are not the Law of Moses. They are everything God tells us to do AFTER Jesus died and fulfilled the Law. For example, "continue to love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you." (Matthew 5:44) That is one of God's commandments. It is not from the Law. Therefore, the Law is no longer applicable to Christians today, but following Christ's example and the commandments of his Father are incumbent on his words and actions. There is nowhere in the NT that says we have to observe the Sabbath. Jesus fulfilled the Law.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:56 amI think Christians (=disciples of Jesus) should keep the Shabbat. But the reason should not be that person attempts to get saved, or to get a reward, but because he loves God.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
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Post #28Were the 10 commandments part of the Law of Moses?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:51 pm
I believe that the disciples rested on the sabbath day BEFORE Jesus died and fulfilled the Law of Moses. After that, since Jesus fulfilled the Law, all those rules, including the Sabbath, were disbanded.
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Post #29Yes they were. But they represent God's true mindset on them, to continue into Christian thought. All of them are part of what Jesus said at Matthew 22:35-40. "'You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it is this, 'you must love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets."rstrats wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:20 pmWere the 10 commandments part of the Law of Moses?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:51 pm
I believe that the disciples rested on the sabbath day BEFORE Jesus died and fulfilled the Law of Moses. After that, since Jesus fulfilled the Law, all those rules, including the Sabbath, were disbanded.
If we loved our neighbor we would be doing what the Ten Commandments told us to do.
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Post #30Then that would include the Sabbath commandment which is to observe it on the 7th day of the week.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:09 pm
If we loved our neighbor we would be doing what the Ten Commandments told us to do.