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What is the origin and destiny of man?

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What is the origin and destiny of man?


The title deals with:

Our origin (when we first existed.)


Why are we here in our mortal state?


What is our eternal ultimate destiny?


Let us hear your full and complete answers to the above questions.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:29 am ...the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago....
Please tell why do you believe that?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:55 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:29 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:39 pm
Yes, human's were originally designed to live happily on earth.

The age of the earth is about 4.54 billion years. But Adam and Eve can be traced back to a mere 6,000 years.

And in the creation described in detail in Genesis, Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day of that creation process.

So it appears that Adam and Eve were not even part of the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago.

They would have to be created and designed to live happily on earth in the re-creation of the earth which occurred about 6,000 ago.

Yes, humans were designed to live happily on the earth, nut not in the original creation.

Man was in Plan B.
Is Genesis 1:1, 4.54 billion years to you?
Within that general range.

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1213 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:20 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:29 am ...the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago....
Please tell why do you believe that?

Because everything that God created was seen to be "very good" by God.

But Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was empty, void, and dark after its creation in Geneses 1:1.

If it was created very good in verse one, then it required time to become empty, void, and dark as described in verse 2.

Scientists calculate that amount of time as roughly 4.54 billion years.

Verse three begins a restoration of an earth which had reached the state of empty, void, and dark.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:45 am
1213 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:20 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:29 am ...the original creation which occurred 4.54 billion years ago....
Please tell why do you believe that?

Because everything that God created was seen to be "very good" by God.

But Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was empty, void, and dark after its creation in Geneses 1:1.

If it was created very good in verse one, then it required time to become empty, void, and dark as described in verse 2.

Scientists calculate that amount of time as roughly 4.54 billion years.

Verse three begins a restoration of an earth which had reached the state of empty, void, and dark.
Genesis 1:2 speaks of the beginning of God's creative work on the earth. It was not created "very good" in verse 1.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:39 pm Genesis 1:2 speaks of the beginning of God's creative work on the earth. It was not created "very good" in verse 1.
This is a very good point, namely Genesis 1 verse 1 only speaks of the {quote} "beginning" . All of God's pronouncements of "good" were not at the beginning, but at the end of each creative day ( period ) " And there was evening and there was morning, a first day."

Now ... look back at Genesis 1:1 , where it speaks about the creation of "the heavens and the earth" there is no "evening" , so God does not mark the completion of the heavens and earth.

WHEN DID GOD FINISH CREATING THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH ?


GENESIS 1:31; 2:1

After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.Thus the heavens and the earth and everything in them were completed

So the bible is quite catagoric , only at the END of the 6th day, did God declare his creation of the heavens and earth {quote} "complete". If we do not add our own personal philosophy to scripture, the HEAVENS AND EARTH which began in Genesis 1 :1 was not completed until 6 "days" later , when the whole process (from the beginning to the end), was declared collectively, not just good but, {quote } "very good*" { END quote}

* met to God's standards / what he wanted the completed element to be
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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:39 pm
Genesis 1:2 speaks of the beginning of God's creative work on the earth. It was not created "very good" in verse 1.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)


And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)



Why do you not believe that the creation of the earth in Genesis 1:1 was not very good?

The heaven and earth were clearly created by God in Genesis 1:1 -- and every thing created by God was seen to be "very good" by God.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:45 am ...roughly 4.54 billion years.
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Ok, thank you, i have not seen any good reason to believe that age.

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1213 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:41 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:45 am ...roughly 4.54 billion years.
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Ok, thank you, i have not seen any good reason to believe that age.

Do you have any evidence to reject that age?

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:04 am ...Do you have any evidence to reject that age?
World looks young to me and I don't see any good reason to think it is millions of years old, therefore i don't believe in millions of years.

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1213 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:04 am ...Do you have any evidence to reject that age?
World looks young to me...
This is what you consider evidence?


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