John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.
Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24
At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
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Post #21The New world translation. Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared. Billions $$$ would be lost yearly. Those translators believed in the trinity. 40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration. Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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Post #22Of course!! How foolish of me to think your Bible would follow suit, but concoct its own interpretation so as to conform to JW theology. But okay, of the 61 + 1 bibles I've now checked 1.2 % use a "g" OR “was divine,” while 98.8% use "G" in the verse we're talking about. But what I now find interesting is that the JWs feel comfortable interpreting θεός, a term in Strong's Concordance that only refers to god or a divine being, now also refers to a particular characteristic, which is never listed as an alternative. But what the hey! It's your Bible. Do whatever you like.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:01 pmThe New world translation.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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And I think it fair to say that they think the very same of your organization.Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared.
Hey! After awhile billions $$$ add up.Billions $$$ would be lost yearly.
All of them?? Are you sure?Those translators believed in the trinity.
Hmm. Sounds like page 434 of the Party Line.40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration.
And more Party Line. Oh well.Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.

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Post #23Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 pmOf course!! How foolish of me to think your Bible would follow suit, but concoct its own interpretation so as to conform to JW theology. But okay, of the 61 + 1 bibles I've now checked 1.2 % use a "g" OR “was divine,” while 98.8% use "G" in the verse we're talking about. But what I now find interesting is that the JWs feel comfortable interpreting θεός, a term in Strong's Concordance that only refers to god or a divine being, now also refers to a particular characteristic, which is never listed as an alternative. But what the hey! It's your Bible. Do whatever you like.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:01 pmThe New world translation.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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And I think it fair to say that they think the very same of your organization.Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared.
Hey! After awhile billions $$$ add up.Billions $$$ would be lost yearly.
All of them?? Are you sure?Those translators believed in the trinity.
Hmm. Sounds like page 434 of the Party Line.40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration.
And more Party Line. Oh well.Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.![]()
Have a good day.
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The NWT didnt conform to JW theology, it conformed to Gods true theology. This world is in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been.
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Post #24And isn't it strange that your god, knowing this would be the world's future, is incapable of convincing this 99%? It's almost as if he doesn't care. 1% is more than enough. Millions upon millions of people pouring their hearts out to him in love and fealty, hoping for a few crumbs of help or recognition, and he turns his back on them because their Bibles have misled them. Nice guy--NOT.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:23 pmMiles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 pmOf course!! How foolish of me to think your Bible would follow suit, but concoct its own interpretation so as to conform to JW theology. But okay, of the 61 + 1 bibles I've now checked 1.2 % use a "g" OR “was divine,” while 98.8% use "G" in the verse we're talking about. But what I now find interesting is that the JWs feel comfortable interpreting θεός, a term in Strong's Concordance that only refers to god or a divine being, now also refers to a particular characteristic, which is never listed as an alternative. But what the hey! It's your Bible. Do whatever you like.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:01 pmThe New world translation.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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And I think it fair to say that they think the very same of your organization.Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared.
Hey! After awhile billions $$$ add up.Billions $$$ would be lost yearly.
All of them?? Are you sure?Those translators believed in the trinity.
Hmm. Sounds like page 434 of the Party Line.40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration.
And more Party Line. Oh well.Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.![]()
Have a good day.
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The NWT didnt conform to JW theology, it conformed to Gods true theology. This world is in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been.
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Post #25Peace again to you,
What is the point in continuously arguing ...trinity/no trinity - this translation/that translation... if you are not going to DO what Christ commanded us to DO, to begin with?
"The one who loves me will obey my commands."
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
How are JW's (or the jw religion) doing anything different than the people and the religions they are pointing fingers at; obeying their religion and the men taking the lead in their religion instead of Christ?
I see no difference at all.
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So you know the trinity is a false teaching - great... but then your religion turns around and teaches falsely that Christ is Michael, and you accept their word and their interpretation on that.
Christ never taught that. The apostles never taught that.
Christ said that He is the Son of God. Why is that not good enough? Why long for food from "Egypt" instead of the manna that God has given us in/from His Son?
You know mankind will live upon the earth... great... but then your religion turns around and teaches falsely that Christians are divided into two classes (heavenly or earthly), that most Christians are not the brothers of Christ, His Bride, His Church. Falsely teaching that you are not included when He commands His disciples to eat His flesh and drink His blood (even though Christ also explicitly said that ANYONE may do so, that unless one does so, one has no life in them).
Christ never taught what the jw religion teaches on this matter. The apostles never taught it. None of them did or taught others to do what your religion does each year at its memorial tradition. A night that is supposed to be about DOING what Christ said to DO - and yet almost no one does the one thing that He said to do: eat the bread that means His body; drink the wine that means His blood.
There is so much more than this as well.
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Perhaps people do not understand that EVERY religion has some truth - how else to mislead those who are seeking the truth, possibly even misleading the elect - but EVERY religion also contains and teaches LIES.
If you want to follow, know, be IN the Truth, then you must follow, know, be IN CHRIST.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Christ is the ONLY ONE who is the TRUTH, and who speaks and teaches ONLY truth. He is the One to whom God said to listen.
"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."
May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, to get a sense of these things, and to hear as the Spirit and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who thirsts and anyone who wishes, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of LIFE!"
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
What is the point in continuously arguing ...trinity/no trinity - this translation/that translation... if you are not going to DO what Christ commanded us to DO, to begin with?
"The one who loves me will obey my commands."
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
How are JW's (or the jw religion) doing anything different than the people and the religions they are pointing fingers at; obeying their religion and the men taking the lead in their religion instead of Christ?
I see no difference at all.
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So you know the trinity is a false teaching - great... but then your religion turns around and teaches falsely that Christ is Michael, and you accept their word and their interpretation on that.
Christ never taught that. The apostles never taught that.
Christ said that He is the Son of God. Why is that not good enough? Why long for food from "Egypt" instead of the manna that God has given us in/from His Son?
You know mankind will live upon the earth... great... but then your religion turns around and teaches falsely that Christians are divided into two classes (heavenly or earthly), that most Christians are not the brothers of Christ, His Bride, His Church. Falsely teaching that you are not included when He commands His disciples to eat His flesh and drink His blood (even though Christ also explicitly said that ANYONE may do so, that unless one does so, one has no life in them).
Christ never taught what the jw religion teaches on this matter. The apostles never taught it. None of them did or taught others to do what your religion does each year at its memorial tradition. A night that is supposed to be about DOING what Christ said to DO - and yet almost no one does the one thing that He said to do: eat the bread that means His body; drink the wine that means His blood.
There is so much more than this as well.
**
Perhaps people do not understand that EVERY religion has some truth - how else to mislead those who are seeking the truth, possibly even misleading the elect - but EVERY religion also contains and teaches LIES.
If you want to follow, know, be IN the Truth, then you must follow, know, be IN CHRIST.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Christ is the ONLY ONE who is the TRUTH, and who speaks and teaches ONLY truth. He is the One to whom God said to listen.
"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."
May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, to get a sense of these things, and to hear as the Spirit and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who thirsts and anyone who wishes, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of LIFE!"
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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Post #26Out of curiosity I decided to check the Greek sources of the two "god"s in John 1:1 and found that according to Strong's Concordance,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
The first "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
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The last "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
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So if one is going to capitalize the first "god," (θεός) what is it that stops one from capitalizing the second "god" (θεός)? I ask because it's obvious the Greeks made no differentiation between the two.
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Post #27Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:57 pmAnd isn't it strange that your god, knowing this would be the world's future, is incapable of convincing this 99%? It's almost as if he doesn't care. 1% is more than enough. Millions upon millions of people pouring their hearts out to him in love and fealty, hoping for a few crumbs of help or recognition, and he turns his back on them because their Bibles have misled them. Nice guy--NOT.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:23 pmMiles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 pmOf course!! How foolish of me to think your Bible would follow suit, but concoct its own interpretation so as to conform to JW theology. But okay, of the 61 + 1 bibles I've now checked 1.2 % use a "g" OR “was divine,” while 98.8% use "G" in the verse we're talking about. But what I now find interesting is that the JWs feel comfortable interpreting θεός, a term in Strong's Concordance that only refers to god or a divine being, now also refers to a particular characteristic, which is never listed as an alternative. But what the hey! It's your Bible. Do whatever you like.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:01 pmThe New world translation.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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And I think it fair to say that they think the very same of your organization.Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared.
Hey! After awhile billions $$$ add up.Billions $$$ would be lost yearly.
All of them?? Are you sure?Those translators believed in the trinity.
Hmm. Sounds like page 434 of the Party Line.40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration.
And more Party Line. Oh well.Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.![]()
Have a good day.
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The NWT didnt conform to JW theology, it conformed to Gods true theology. This world is in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been.
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If God didnt care he wouldn't have sent his son to die. It takes believing Jesus over errors, most outright refuse. The JW,s put in over 1 billion hours last year trying to help people see truth. Its like in Noahs day, the people basically reject us. Until the rains fell and they pounded on the ark door.
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Post #28Miles wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:51 pmOut of curiosity I decided to check the Greek sources of the two "god"s in John 1:1 and found that according to Strong's Concordance,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
The first "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
and
The last "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
source
So if one is going to capitalize the first "god," (θεός) what is it that stops one from capitalizing the second "god" (θεός)? I ask because it's obvious the Greeks made no differentiation between the two.
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Post #29And how's that working out, particularly when "This world is in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been"? Not at all, as it turns out. A 1% success rate is nothing to crow about. In fact, it should be a down right embarrassment.kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:39 pmMiles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:57 pmAnd isn't it strange that your god, knowing this would be the world's future, is incapable of convincing this 99%? It's almost as if he doesn't care. 1% is more than enough. Millions upon millions of people pouring their hearts out to him in love and fealty, hoping for a few crumbs of help or recognition, and he turns his back on them because their Bibles have misled them. Nice guy--NOT.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:23 pmMiles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 pmOf course!! How foolish of me to think your Bible would follow suit, but concoct its own interpretation so as to conform to JW theology. But okay, of the 61 + 1 bibles I've now checked 1.2 % use a "g" OR “was divine,” while 98.8% use "G" in the verse we're talking about. But what I now find interesting is that the JWs feel comfortable interpreting θεός, a term in Strong's Concordance that only refers to god or a divine being, now also refers to a particular characteristic, which is never listed as an alternative. But what the hey! It's your Bible. Do whatever you like.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:01 pmThe New world translation.Miles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:36 amObviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't see this as relevant.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pm
I assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
Obviously the translators of the 61 Bibles I checked don't care what Kneeland had to say about the issue.In 1822 a Greek scholar( A. Kneeland) translated the NT from those Lexicons-He compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct at John 1:1--19 other translations in history had a god, 3 had was divine. All rejected by trinity clergys because truth exposes them as false religions.
But please, link us to a Bible that does spell the last "god" in John 1;1 with a small "g." You'd have at least that in your favor, as small as it would be.
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And I think it fair to say that they think the very same of your organization.Of course those 61 didnt care-truth exposed their religions as false if they cared.
Hey! After awhile billions $$$ add up.Billions $$$ would be lost yearly.
All of them?? Are you sure?Those translators believed in the trinity.
Hmm. Sounds like page 434 of the Party Line.40,000 religions claiming to be christian are proved false by that single alteration.
And more Party Line. Oh well.Imagine how many would sue them for taking their $$$ all these years. The trinity scholars know its fact about John 1:1. Its one of the main reasons satans will is supported by those error filled translations and they outright refuse to put Gods name back where God put it because he wants it there. 7000 places. Satan wants it out.![]()
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The NWT didnt conform to JW theology, it conformed to Gods true theology. This world is in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been.
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If God didnt care he wouldn't have sent his son to die. It takes believing Jesus over errors, most outright refuse.
Yet, the world is still in trouble-99% are being mislead as its always been. So JWs may just as well stay home and save shoe leather. Heck, they're having a tough time keeping the members they already have.The JW,s put in over 1 billion hours last year trying to help people see truth.
"Among all U.S. adults who were raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses, two-thirds (66%) no longer identify with the group."
source: Pew Research Center
- 66%!! Them's plummeting numbers my friend.
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Re: Do you listen to Jesus?
Post #30And if they don't know its how you said it is because its truth, they're not real scholars, are they. ..Let hyperbole take wing.kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:45 pmMiles wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:51 pmOut of curiosity I decided to check the Greek sources of the two "god"s in John 1:1 and found that according to Strong's Concordance,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:50 pmMiles wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pmJust checked the use of "god" in the last line of John 1:1 in 61 bibles, and every one of them capitalizes the word. Now you say they're all wrong? Assuming you have no background (PhD or equivalent) in any field of religious scholarship, why should I believe you? Why should anyone?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:37 pmCapitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 is error, has mislead billions through history.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:31 pmI assume that Trinity translations are Bibles that recognize the trinity: the father, son and holy ghost as One. However, as I understand the concept of the trinity it didn't enter Christianity until long after the Bible was well established, which is one reason "trinity" is never found in any Bible. So, I'm not at all sure what a "trinity translation" is. In any event, I'm still waiting for the misleading errors you're talking about.
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In the Greek Lexicons( trinity translating)--the true God called HoTheos in the 2nd line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line, to show a difference from God to god. The only other spot this occurs in the NT=2Cor 4:4--satan called-Theos=god and the true God called HoTheos=God. translating works the same at both spots.
The first "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
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The last "god" in John 1:1 is a translation of (G2316) θεός
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So if one is going to capitalize the first "god," (θεός) what is it that stops one from capitalizing the second "god" (θεός)? I ask because it's obvious the Greeks made no differentiation between the two.
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Every scholar on earth knows its how i said it is because its truth.
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