Does the Gospel of John present Jesus words and teachings verbatim? If so, why do you believe this? Why are you so sure that the Evangelist "John" did not put any words on Jesus lips?
How certain are you that the real, historical Jesus said the words of John 14.6 or John 3.16, for example? And why this certainty?
Why do you believe the Gospel of John, verbatim?
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Why do you believe the Gospel of John, verbatim?
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Why do you believe the Gospel of John, verbatim?
Post #21Well maybe. We don't know who wrote "the sayings of Yeshua Christ" which later became Mathew. I will say we are not to venerate any man. So, there should be no saints or reverends. Only God is good. As Jesus said, we disregard God for man's tradition and have a fine manner of doing so.Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
How do we know that the quotes attributed to john are the words if jesus?
More importantly- who wrote the book of John? Not John. Noooo.
The gosoels were all written anonymously. They were titled by the church in the 2nd century. Later the church added 'Saint" before their names. The church admits this though they don't speak of this at Sunday school or the church services.
The very first words in the Christian Testament are a lie
"The gospel according to Saint Mathew"
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Re: Why do you believe the Gospel of John, verbatim?
Post #22We don't. And John, far more than the Synoptics, is suspect. Tinged with theological interpolation. Seems the Evangelist most likely put words on Jesus lips.Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
How do we know that the quotes attributed to john are the words if jesus?
Agree.More importantly- who wrote the book of John? Not John. Noooo.
The gosoels were all written anonymously. They were titled by the church in the 2nd century. Later the church added 'Saint" before their names. The church admits this though they don't speak of this at Sunday school or the church services.
I wouldn't go quite that far, but would rather say, "not literally true". The author of Matthew may have well written in a manner which reflects his namesake's point of view.The very first words in the Christian Testament are a lie
"The gospel according to Saint Mathew"
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.