Could I ask a favor?

[onewithhim]

Hi. I want to ask that only people who truly want to learn more about what the Bible says about living forever in Paradise on Earth to post on this thread. Please. I don't want to argue. I would very much appreciate it if people who think everybody is either going to heaven or to Hell would not start a battle of words here. I hope to hear from people who think that PSALM 37:9-11, and also verse 29, sounds pretty good. Thank you. OWH

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 15 by JehovahsWitness]

The problem with this is that even if GOD wanted to, eventually all that would be left is the sun and the earth.

Not if that is not all God wanted to be left.

MATTHEW 19:26

With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Was there a part of omnipotent that you were having difficulty understanding? The bottom line is, if there is a omnipotent God then the universe will be how God wants it to be for as long as HE wants to to be. And if it is God's will that the universe and the earth remain in its present state for all eternity, then that is how it shall be.

JW




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[JehovahsWitness]

Are the children also going to have non-perishable forms? Will they have knowledge of anything or will they have to be taught?

QUESTION Will there be knowledge in paradise?

The bible promises

ISAIAH 11:9


They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea. - Darby Bible Translation

Obviously the rocks and material that make up the literal ground of the planet cannot, as inanimate objects, "know" anything, so we can reasonably conclude that the scripture is speaking about the individuals living on the planet earth having knowledge. Indeed the bible encourages believers to study both God's word and the natural world around them. The Genesis account portrays God as commissioning Adam in paradise to name the animals, so even in the original paradise there was knowledge of animals and names. Indeed the planet has such a variety of life and beauty it can be argued that God deliberately designed it for humans to discover (ie gain knowledge of it)



We generally refer to individuals that have no knowledge of anything as being in a vegetative state and this is usually a symptom of being brain damaged or severely mentally ill. The need to learn and discover new things is a natural part of human nature, it is in fact necessary for us to be happy and feel fulfilled, so there is no reason to believe people in paradise will cease to know anything. In short yes, the bible indicates humans living in paradise will have and continue to increase in knowledge.


Will Children have to be taught?

• Given the above, it seems reasonable to conclude that children will need too be taught. The human brain is a sponge that can only absorbe what it has been given, so as children are born and grow to adulthood they need to be taught many things from language (how to speak) to how to read and how the world around them works. The bible gives the primary responsibility of this to the child's parents. There is nothing in the bible that indicates this arrangement will come to an end in paradise. In short children will indeed need to be taught as they grow to adulthood in paradise in order to be responsible members of society.

JW


NOTE: Another group that will need to be taught specifically about God's will will be those resurrected that had no previous knowledge of the True God or his purposes.




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[William]

[Replying to post 20 by JehovahsWitness]

So we can reasonably conclude that should someone in paradise fall in a way that would normally be fatal a resurrection is an option.

That wasn't my argument.

My argument was that I am told the bodies that are resurrected cannot DIE. Something that cannot DIE cannot be 'resurrected', therefore one may fall and suffer the same injuries that would have killed the bodies which one had prior to obtaining a resurrected body, which cannot die, but one cannot die from those injuries.

[Replying to post 21 by JehovahsWitness]

The problem with this is that even if GOD wanted to, eventually all that would be left is the sun and the earth.

Not if that is not all God wanted to be left.

Even so, the belief is that one is to live forevermore on planet earth. Since ones bodies no longer perish, there wouldn't even be the need for the sun.

Was there a part of omnipotent that you were having difficulty understanding?

No. I wasn't speaking about omnipotence.

The bottom line is the universe is, if there is a omnipotent God then the universe will be how God wants it to be for as long as HE wants to to be. And if it is God's will that the universe and the earth remain in its present state for all eternity, then that is how it shall be.

Well now you are speaking to something else entirely.

What would be the point in changing the dynamics of this universe when it would be just the same as placing the resurrected in another universe the all powerful GOD can create for that purpose? One has to admit it is rather an about-face way in which to accomplish something.

Obviously the rocks and material that make up the literal ground of the planet cannot know anything,

That is not what is attributed to a thing that Jesus claimed. GOD the all powerful can even make the very rocks cry out this knowledge. [Luke 10:40]
So, there is nothing 'obvious' at all about that, if you line all your ducks up. Did you forget that?

My question wasn't asking if there would be opportunity for new-born or resurrected adults to learn, but whether they had knowledge that they were born with or would have to experiencing everything from a beginning point, totally blank-slate.
My question also inquired as to whether these babies procreated by humans who now have bodies which cannot perish, were also immortals.

Also I see that you have yet to answer some of my other questions...are you heading to the elders for advice on how to answer those?


Q: Are individuals free to have sex with one another, or would they have to form couples, be heterosexual and create family units?

Q: Will there be ownership of land, and other possessions?

Q: What if some don't 'wish to have children'... how will they prevent this from happening?

Eventually people will simply have to stop procreating else the planet will become overcrowded. Unless of course one develops industry to make machines which will allow the process of colonization onto other celestial bodies...but as I said "forever means forever, so eventually all those planets will be filled up...so "all powerful GOD can simply make more and more and more"...but for what ultimate purpose? To place beings somewhere other than heaven?

Q: Why would anyone settle for this type of existence when there are other alternate existences to experience which don't require all the time and effort and pain and suffering?

Q: Since you will eat, do you also understand you will have to pooh?

You inferred that the resurrected girl was gifted an incorruptible body when you argued;

When Jesus resurrected a 12 year old girl during his ministry he instructed her parents to give her something to eat, so we know a resurrected body (person) can eat, which is a bodily function we are familiar with.

Q: Are you saying the girl is still alive to this day? If not, why are you using this story to prop up your beliefs about resurrected bodies?

I look forward to reading your answers to these pertinent questions.

[JehovahsWitness]

Hopefully GOD hasn't removed all those plants which can help people by dulling their pain.

Perhaps I wasn't clear, the bible depicts Jesus as being in a position to miraculously do on a global scale what he demonstrated he could do for individuals while on earth, namely instantly and miraculously bring all physical ailments to an end. Forever. Since Jesus is not reported in scripture as needing any special plants or herbs to miraculously bring relief to those suffering physical ailments when on earth, so there is no reason his subjects will need them to reap the physical benefits of his Messianic rule in paradise.

The bible promises "no resident will say... "I am sick". Thanks to the ransom sacrifice all humans will be restored to perfect life, free of handicap, disease, illness and even adamic death. As in the case of Eutycus (see above), accidents (if they happen at all, in a world inhabited by individuals with both perfect balance precision, control of their bodies and knowledge of their environment along with divine protection) will not prove fatal. Whether any needed healing from minor incidents will be instantaneous (as was the case with Jesus' miracle) or with perfect bodies will proceed as an excelerated rate the bible does not say.


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

My argument was that I am told the bodies that are resurrected cannot DIE.

Well then my advice is you find the person that told you that and pose your questions to them. I am explaining the Jehovah's Witness interpretation which does not suggest any such thing.

JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Also I see that you have yet to answer some of my other questions...are you heading to the elders for advice on how to answer those?

No, not necessary.

Your use the expression "the elders" has been duly noted.


JW

[myth-one.com]

Hi. I want to ask that only people who truly want to learn more about what the Bible says about living forever in Paradise on Earth to post on this thread. Please. I don't want to argue. I would very much appreciate it if people who think everybody is either going to heaven or to Hell would not start a battle of words here. I hope to hear from people who think that PSALM 37:9-11, and also verse 29, sounds pretty good. Thank you. OWH

Yes, believers will inherit the earth for ever and ever. The Earth will become the kingdoms of our Lord and Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever:

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 11:15)

Born again Christians will reign with Him:

We shall also reign with him. (II Timothy 2:12)

And how long are the born again Christians going to be with the Lord Jesus?

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

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But we will not be physical human bodied beings.

Paul writing to the Christians at Corinth, described what will happen to deceased Christians upon their resurrection at the Second Coming:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (I Corinthians 15:42-45)

The Christian body that is sown is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.

At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

Since this is their second birth, they are born again. The first man Adam was a living, breathing being or soul. The last Adam was made a quickening spirit or spiritual body.

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There will be no "man" or "woman" -- as we will all be immortal spirits like the angels:

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. (Mark 12:25)

God created marriage to produce families. The sexual act within marriage procreates the human race. In the Kingdom of God, there are no humans and thus no marriage. There we will be like the angels which live forever.

Since angels live forever, there is no need to reproduce themselves.

[William]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

So these bodies will instantly heal themselves and feel no pain and won't suffer. Super-bodies in a super universe. Sounds like the stories of heaven. I cannot see any difference. Perhaps you can explain the differences between the two realms?

[William]

[Replying to post 26 by JehovahsWitness]

Also I see that you have yet to answer some of my other questions...are you heading to the elders for advice on how to answer those?

No, not necessary.

Good. Then please answer the questions I asked of you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 12 by William]

Thank you for your input.