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Chancellor wrote:I don't know of many Christians who would say that "God is Jesus," unless they're Oneness Pentecostals.
McCulloch wrote:They say Jesus is God. Is that not the same thing? It gets rather confusing to us.
Chancellor wrote:They (Oneness Pentecostals) say both. As one of their hymns says, "It's all in Him." They believe that there is one God and that His name is Jesus.
Questions for debate:
  1. Is there a difference between saying that Jesus is God and God is Jesus?
  2. What do the Oneness Pentecostals teach? Is it significantly different from what most Christians teach? Is it in line or contrary to the Bible?
  3. How many Gods do the Christians really believe in?
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InTheFlesh wrote:
What One Person Is In The Image Of This God You Speak Of
Ever hear of Jesus Christ?
He is the image of the invisible God.
We were all created in the image of God.
Oh By The Way What God Blood Type
I don't know just like I don't know yours.
God was manifest InTheFlesh
so check public records for the blood type of Jesus.
No Need For Public Record -- When Dealing With Facts . Read On And You'll See Why !



Man Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of The One God As You Find In Genesis 1; 26 And I Quote '' Lets Us Make Man In Our Image , And After Our Likess ; '' And Everybody LQQks Different ( Except ) For Identical Twins Etc . Then Either The God Of The Bible Is Confused About The Way He LQQKS Or The Image Of God Is Constantly Changing Or There Is More Than One God . The Word Used In Aramic / Hebrew For '' Image '' Is Tselem Meaning '' Resemblance , Semblance '' And Then The Aramic / Hebrew Word Used For '' Likeness ''' Is Demuwth Meaning '' To Be Like SomeOne Or SomeThings , To Resemble , To Be Compared To '' Now If Man Is Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God And That Mean That Man Is Like In All Ways And Manners , And Since People LQQk Different . They Range In Features . Shapes , Sizes And Many Other Chasracteristics , So Which One Man Has The Image And Likeness Of God ???


Sine Adam Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God According To Genesis 1 ; 27 , Then Ask Your Teacher , Preacher , Ministers . Deacons , Rabbis , Imaam AndOther Religious Leaders What Was God's Blood Type? They Don't Have An Answer !
Question ; Since EveryOne Came From Adam And Eve Who , According To Christian Doctrine , Were The First Human Beings . Then Why Doesn't EveryOne LQQk Exactly Alike ? When It SaysThat Eve Taken From His Rib , What Does That Mean ? The Rib Is What ? A Bone AndWhat Take Place In The Bones ? Bones Are Made Up Of Mineral - Filled Rings And Of Blood Vessels That Run Through Canals In Each Group Of Rings , And Blood Vessels Enter And Exit At Specific Points Along The Bone . The Bone In Animals Having A Back Bone Or Spinal Column / Vertebrates Is Also

Involved In Regulating The Concentration For Calcium Icons In The Blood . Creation Takes Place In Bones . What Do I Mean By Creation ? Inside Of The Bones . You Have Bone Marrows Which . Is Tissue Inside Of Your Bones That Is Responsible For The ProductionOf Blood Cells . The Bone Marrow Fills The Center And Spaces At Both Ends Of The Bones Where Growth Happen . In Infants , The Marrow Of The Bones Prodance Blood Cells , Whereas The Function Of Bone Marrow Changes Into Soring Fat As You Get Older . As Adults , Most Blood Cells Are Produced In The Marrow Of Flat Bones Such As The Sternum Or The Breast Bone , Which Is The Narrow Flat Bone In The Middle Line Of The Thorax In Front . The Breast Bone Is Composed Of Three Portions Called The Manubrium Which Is A Latin Word

Meaning '' Handle '' ( The Portion Of The Malleus LQQking Like A Handle .Xiphold Is From The Greek Words Xiphos Meaning '' Sword '' And Eidos , Meaning '' Process '' Or Ensiform From The Latin Word Ensis Meaning '' Sword '' Forma Meaning '' Form '' [ Sword Shaped Cartiaginous Process Supported By The Bone ; It Has No Ribs Attached To It ] . And The Gladiolus Process , From The Latin Word Gladiolus Meaning '' Little Sword '' ( The Femur Bone , A Long Bone In The Thigh , Show Which As Bone Marrow Compact Bone , Blood Vessels And Spongy Bone .Bone Marrow Is Responsible For The Production Of Blood Cells. And What Is In Blood ?First Of All . Blood Is The Only Liquid Tissue In

The Body . What Makes Blood A Liquid Is A Protenin - Rich Substance Called Plasma . , Which Makes Up Approximately 55 Percent Of Blood , While The Other 45 Percent Of Blood Is Made Up Of Red And White Blood Cells . And Platelets . Red Blood Cells Or Erythrocytes
[ From The Greek Words Leukos , Meaning '' White '' And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' Carry Oxygen From The Lungs To All Cells Of The Body And It Also Carries Carbon Dioxide From Cells Back To The Lungs To Be Exhaled . WhiteBlood Cells Or Leukocytes [ From The Greek Word Leukos Meaning '' White '' , And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' ] Also Called Microphages , Can Go In And Out Of Blood Vessels To Clean Up Worn-Out Or Dead Cells And Protect The Body Against Invading Bacteria , Viruses , Or Other Foreign Cells . Platelets Or Thrombocytes [ From The Greek Words

Leukos , Meaning '' White '' And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' Which Are Fragment Of Cells Formed From Large White Blood Cells Within Bone Marrow , Are Needed For The Blood Clotting Process That Happen When Blood Bessels Are Injured . Red Blood Cells . White Blood Cells . Platelets ;.... Human Beings Are Constantly Creating Duplicates Of Themselves In The Form Of What Is Called Genes , Which Hold The Genetic Code For Your Exact Mak-Up . Genes Are Carriers Of Of The Genetic Information Passed On From Generation To Generation In TheSex Cells Of All Organisms . It Consists Of A Helix Structure Of Chain-Like Molecules Of Deoxyribonucleic Acids ( DNA ) In Most Organisms And Ribonucleic Acid ( RNA

In Certain Viruses And Is Usually Associated In A Linear Arrangement That Makes Up The Chromosome . Nucleic Acids . Are Long Chain-Like Molecules , Made Of Repeated Sequences Of Phosphate And Sugar Likeages-Ribose Sugar In RNA And Deoxyribose Sugars In DNA . Attached To The Sugar Like In The Backbone Are Two Kinds Of Purines ; Adenine ( A ) And Guanine ( G ) . And Two Kinds Of Pyrimdines Cytosine ( C ) Anduracil ( U ) In RNA . A Single Purine Or A Pyrimdine Is Attached To Each Sugar ; The Compound Being Called A Nucleotide . The Nuckeic Acids Extracted From Different Species Of Animals And Plants Have Different Proporytion Of The Four Nucleotide . Some Have More Adenine ( A ) And Thymine ( T ) , While Others Have More Guanine ( G ) And Cytosine ( C ) .

However , The Ratios Of A To '' T '' And Also G To C. Are Equal . How Does All Of This Tie In ? Inside Of The Bones , In The Marrow Of The Bone Blood Cells Are Produced . They Are A Whole Person Being Created Inside Of Yourself . Inside Of Your Bones Fresh Humans AreBeing Created And Old Ones Are Dying . Thus If According To The Bible Eve Was Taken From The Rib Or Bone Marrow Of Adam
Genesis 2 ; 21 - 22 And I Quote . And The Lord God Caused A Deep Sleep To Fall Upon Adam And He Slept ; And He Took One Of His Ribs , And Closed Up The Flesh Instead Therefore . And The Ribs Which The LORD God Had Taken From Man
Made He A Woman And Brought Her Unto Man .
Then Shouldn't She Have Been An Exact Duplicate Of Adam In Every Way ?


If all human beings came from "Adam" and "Eve" who according to Christian doctrine came from the rib of Adam, then shouldn't everyone on the planet Earth have the same blood type?

Becuase, if there was orginally one man, then there should only be one type of blood. So why don't you check your blood type? If you have any blood type other than Adam's then you are ungodly right? Becuase Adam was like God according to Gen 1:27; 2:7; 3:22

There is an antigen called the RH-factor. The RH-factor was discovered by an immunologist called Alexander S. Wiener which working with the blood of the Rhesus Monkey, when he discovered that the red blood cells in humans were similar to that of the Rhesus Monkey. This is how the blood type received its name. RH-positive means that the RH-factor is present in the blood. RH-negative is the opposite.

The RH-negative blood is anti-human and canivorous, becuase it eats up the RH-positive blood cells.
For instance, with a mother who is RH-negative carrying a RH-positive child. If a RH-negative women becomes pregnant by an RH-positive man, it is possible that antibodies may form in her blood.

These antibodies cause some degree of breakdown in the baby's hemoglobin causing Anemia and Jaundice evident as soon as the baby is born. The mixing of RH-neg and RH-pos blood can also result in the death of their children.
When a RH-neg women carries a RH-pos child, it is possible that blood from the fetus while in the womb or even during birth can seep into the mother's bloostream.

She in then begins to produce anti-RH positive antigens that will cause the RH-antibodies to diffuse across the placenta into the fetus, and will cause the baby's blood to stick together causeing serious illness or even death. The child will die shortly before birth or a few days after unless it is given a blood transfusion to change all of its blood.

This is is a result of what is called "Erythroblastosis Fetalis" where a RH-neg mother carries a RH-pos fetus and causes the red blood cells to "agglutinate", meaning stick together, and this makes the red blood cells useless. The mother can be injected with an Anti-RH antibody to remove any RH factor so that they may not affect any future fetuses.

Think about this:
If Adam was the first man and Eve was taken from Adam's rib, they should both have the same blood type, why? Becuase, inside of the rib, in the bone marrow, which is the tissue inside your bones, red blood cells are produced.

Thus if God used Adam's rib to make Eve, which he did according to Gen 2:21-22, then they would have to have the same blood type. The same blood that ran thru his bones had to literally be running thru hers.

Think even further:
If Eve had RH-negative blood, it wouldn't be possible for any RH-positive people to exist, so where did the RH-negative come from??!?

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Kadmon wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:
What One Person Is In The Image Of This God You Speak Of
Ever hear of Jesus Christ?
He is the image of the invisible God.
We were all created in the image of God.
Oh By The Way What God Blood Type
I don't know just like I don't know yours.
God was manifest InTheFlesh
so check public records for the blood type of Jesus.
No Need For Public Record -- When Dealing With Facts . Read On And You'll See Why !



Man Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of The One God As You Find In Genesis 1; 26 And I Quote '' Lets Us Make Man In Our Image , And After Our Likess ; '' And Everybody LQQks Different ( Except ) For Identical Twins Etc . Then Either The God Of The Bible Is Confused About The Way He LQQKS Or The Image Of God Is Constantly Changing Or There Is More Than One God . The Word Used In Aramic / Hebrew For '' Image '' Is Tselem Meaning '' Resemblance , Semblance '' And Then The Aramic / Hebrew Word Used For '' Likeness ''' Is Demuwth Meaning '' To Be Like SomeOne Or SomeThings , To Resemble , To Be Compared To '' Now If Man Is Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God And That Mean That Man Is Like In All Ways And Manners , And Since People LQQk Different . They Range In Features . Shapes , Sizes And Many Other Chasracteristics , So Which One Man Has The Image And Likeness Of God ???


Sine Adam Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God According To Genesis 1 ; 27 , Then Ask Your Teacher , Preacher , Ministers . Deacons , Rabbis , Imaam AndOther Religious Leaders What Was God's Blood Type? They Don't Have An Answer !
Question ; Since EveryOne Came From Adam And Eve Who , According To Christian Doctrine , Were The First Human Beings . Then Why Doesn't EveryOne LQQk Exactly Alike ? When It SaysThat Eve Taken From His Rib , What Does That Mean ? The Rib Is What ? A Bone AndWhat Take Place In The Bones ? Bones Are Made Up Of Mineral - Filled Rings And Of Blood Vessels That Run Through Canals In Each Group Of Rings , And Blood Vessels Enter And Exit At Specific Points Along The Bone . The Bone In Animals Having A Back Bone Or Spinal Column / Vertebrates Is Also

Involved In Regulating The Concentration For Calcium Icons In The Blood . Creation Takes Place In Bones . What Do I Mean By Creation ? Inside Of The Bones . You Have Bone Marrows Which . Is Tissue Inside Of Your Bones That Is Responsible For The ProductionOf Blood Cells . The Bone Marrow Fills The Center And Spaces At Both Ends Of The Bones Where Growth Happen . In Infants , The Marrow Of The Bones Prodance Blood Cells , Whereas The Function Of Bone Marrow Changes Into Soring Fat As You Get Older . As Adults , Most Blood Cells Are Produced In The Marrow Of Flat Bones Such As The Sternum Or The Breast Bone , Which Is The Narrow Flat Bone In The Middle Line Of The Thorax In Front . The Breast Bone Is Composed Of Three Portions Called The Manubrium Which Is A Latin Word

Meaning '' Handle '' ( The Portion Of The Malleus LQQking Like A Handle .Xiphold Is From The Greek Words Xiphos Meaning '' Sword '' And Eidos , Meaning '' Process '' Or Ensiform From The Latin Word Ensis Meaning '' Sword '' Forma Meaning '' Form '' [ Sword Shaped Cartiaginous Process Supported By The Bone ; It Has No Ribs Attached To It ] . And The Gladiolus Process , From The Latin Word Gladiolus Meaning '' Little Sword '' ( The Femur Bone , A Long Bone In The Thigh , Show Which As Bone Marrow Compact Bone , Blood Vessels And Spongy Bone .Bone Marrow Is Responsible For The Production Of Blood Cells. And What Is In Blood ?First Of All . Blood Is The Only Liquid Tissue In

The Body . What Makes Blood A Liquid Is A Protenin - Rich Substance Called Plasma . , Which Makes Up Approximately 55 Percent Of Blood , While The Other 45 Percent Of Blood Is Made Up Of Red And White Blood Cells . And Platelets . Red Blood Cells Or Erythrocytes
[ From The Greek Words Leukos , Meaning '' White '' And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' Carry Oxygen From The Lungs To All Cells Of The Body And It Also Carries Carbon Dioxide From Cells Back To The Lungs To Be Exhaled . WhiteBlood Cells Or Leukocytes [ From The Greek Word Leukos Meaning '' White '' , And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' ] Also Called Microphages , Can Go In And Out Of Blood Vessels To Clean Up Worn-Out Or Dead Cells And Protect The Body Against Invading Bacteria , Viruses , Or Other Foreign Cells . Platelets Or Thrombocytes [ From The Greek Words

Leukos , Meaning '' White '' And Cyte Meaning '' Cell '' Which Are Fragment Of Cells Formed From Large White Blood Cells Within Bone Marrow , Are Needed For The Blood Clotting Process That Happen When Blood Bessels Are Injured . Red Blood Cells . White Blood Cells . Platelets ;.... Human Beings Are Constantly Creating Duplicates Of Themselves In The Form Of What Is Called Genes , Which Hold The Genetic Code For Your Exact Mak-Up . Genes Are Carriers Of Of The Genetic Information Passed On From Generation To Generation In TheSex Cells Of All Organisms . It Consists Of A Helix Structure Of Chain-Like Molecules Of Deoxyribonucleic Acids ( DNA ) In Most Organisms And Ribonucleic Acid ( RNA

In Certain Viruses And Is Usually Associated In A Linear Arrangement That Makes Up The Chromosome . Nucleic Acids . Are Long Chain-Like Molecules , Made Of Repeated Sequences Of Phosphate And Sugar Likeages-Ribose Sugar In RNA And Deoxyribose Sugars In DNA . Attached To The Sugar Like In The Backbone Are Two Kinds Of Purines ; Adenine ( A ) And Guanine ( G ) . And Two Kinds Of Pyrimdines Cytosine ( C ) Anduracil ( U ) In RNA . A Single Purine Or A Pyrimdine Is Attached To Each Sugar ; The Compound Being Called A Nucleotide . The Nuckeic Acids Extracted From Different Species Of Animals And Plants Have Different Proporytion Of The Four Nucleotide . Some Have More Adenine ( A ) And Thymine ( T ) , While Others Have More Guanine ( G ) And Cytosine ( C ) .

However , The Ratios Of A To '' T '' And Also G To C. Are Equal . How Does All Of This Tie In ? Inside Of The Bones , In The Marrow Of The Bone Blood Cells Are Produced . They Are A Whole Person Being Created Inside Of Yourself . Inside Of Your Bones Fresh Humans AreBeing Created And Old Ones Are Dying . Thus If According To The Bible Eve Was Taken From The Rib Or Bone Marrow Of Adam
Genesis 2 ; 21 - 22 And I Quote . And The Lord God Caused A Deep Sleep To Fall Upon Adam And He Slept ; And He Took One Of His Ribs , And Closed Up The Flesh Instead Therefore . And The Ribs Which The LORD God Had Taken From Man
Made He A Woman And Brought Her Unto Man .
Then Shouldn't She Have Been An Exact Duplicate Of Adam In Every Way ?


If all human beings came from "Adam" and "Eve" who according to Christian doctrine came from the rib of Adam, then shouldn't everyone on the planet Earth have the same blood type?

Becuase, if there was orginally one man, then there should only be one type of blood. So why don't you check your blood type? If you have any blood type other than Adam's then you are ungodly right? Becuase Adam was like God according to Gen 1:27; 2:7; 3:22

There is an antigen called the RH-factor. The RH-factor was discovered by an immunologist called Alexander S. Wiener which working with the blood of the Rhesus Monkey, when he discovered that the red blood cells in humans were similar to that of the Rhesus Monkey. This is how the blood type received its name. RH-positive means that the RH-factor is present in the blood. RH-negative is the opposite.

The RH-negative blood is anti-human and canivorous, becuase it eats up the RH-positive blood cells.
For instance, with a mother who is RH-negative carrying a RH-positive child. If a RH-negative women becomes pregnant by an RH-positive man, it is possible that antibodies may form in her blood.

These antibodies cause some degree of breakdown in the baby's hemoglobin causing Anemia and Jaundice evident as soon as the baby is born. The mixing of RH-neg and RH-pos blood can also result in the death of their children.
When a RH-neg women carries a RH-pos child, it is possible that blood from the fetus while in the womb or even during birth can seep into the mother's bloostream.

She in then begins to produce anti-RH positive antigens that will cause the RH-antibodies to diffuse across the placenta into the fetus, and will cause the baby's blood to stick together causeing serious illness or even death. The child will die shortly before birth or a few days after unless it is given a blood transfusion to change all of its blood.

This is is a result of what is called "Erythroblastosis Fetalis" where a RH-neg mother carries a RH-pos fetus and causes the red blood cells to "agglutinate", meaning stick together, and this makes the red blood cells useless. The mother can be injected with an Anti-RH antibody to remove any RH factor so that they may not affect any future fetuses.

Think about this:
If Adam was the first man and Eve was taken from Adam's rib, they should both have the same blood type, why? Becuase, inside of the rib, in the bone marrow, which is the tissue inside your bones, red blood cells are produced.

Thus if God used Adam's rib to make Eve, which he did according to Gen 2:21-22, then they would have to have the same blood type. The same blood that ran thru his bones had to literally be running thru hers.

Think even further:
If Eve had RH-negative blood, it wouldn't be possible for any RH-positive people to exist, so where did the RH-negative come from??!?
That is very interesting, Kadmon. And I look forward to the believers' explanation. I would imagine something along the lines of "super evolution" will be used to explain.
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Sine Adam Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God According To Genesis 1 ; 27 , Then Ask Your Teacher , Preacher , Ministers . Deacons , Rabbis , Imaam AndOther Religious Leaders What Was God's Blood Type? They Don't Have An Answer !
Who are you preaching to?
Did I not answer you?
Are you still searching for the blood type of Jesus?

Oh By The Way What God Blood Type
I don't know just like I don't know yours.
God was manifest InTheFlesh
so check public records for the blood type of Jesus.

No Need For Public Record -- When Dealing With Facts . Read On And You'll See Why !
What facts did you point out about the blood type of God?
Don't you understand that we believe Jesus is God?
Did Jesus not come in flesh and blood? :-k

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InTheFlesh wrote:
Sine Adam Was Created In The Image And After The Likeness Of God According To Genesis 1 ; 27 , Then Ask Your Teacher , Preacher , Ministers . Deacons , Rabbis , Imaam AndOther Religious Leaders What Was God's Blood Type? They Don't Have An Answer !
Who are you preaching to?
Did I not answer you?
Are you still searching for the blood type of Jesus?

Oh By The Way What God Blood Type
I don't know just like I don't know yours.
God was manifest InTheFlesh
so check public records for the blood type of Jesus.



There Diffrent Between Teaching / Discususion - Preaching . And As Far As Jesus Being God Nowhere Jesus Ever Claim To God Himself .

No Need For Public Record -- When Dealing With Facts . Read On And You'll See Why !
What facts did you point out about the blood type of God?
Don't you understand that we believe Jesus is God?
Did Jesus not come in flesh and blood? :-k

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scottlittlefield17 wrote:They are not byproducts. They are the sun. Sun is a name that encompasses all. If you remove the light heat and the energy you have removed the sun.
The Sun is a ball of gas. It gives off energy (which light heat and "energy" all are, btw) as a byproduct of thermonuclear fusion in its core. If you removed the Fusion reactions, you'd still have a ball of gas - you'd still have the sun.

Your analogy is like saying a cup of coffee includes the heat it gives off. Once it cools down it is no longer a cup of coffee?

Just for clarification: there is no such thing as pure "energy". Energy exists in states - heat, light, sound, potential, kinetic, nuclear etc. So saying something gives off energy is not being specific enough and saying it differs from it giving off Light and Heat is nonsensical.

Another analogy I've heard to try and reconcile the trinity concept is Water - it can exist in 3 states (they're already wrong but what the hell, let's give them at least their statement); ice, liquid water and steam...yet they are all water.

Well the problem here is they are assuming the term Water refers to all H20 in existence. However, it only refers to the Hydrogen compound of Oxygen; no totality is mentioned. Also, they are 3 definitely seperate states and therefore cannot be the same - ice can't steam and vice versa. What this analogy suggests is that there are 3 individuals that come under a heading of God...which is stupid because it's akin to a company having 3 directors on the board all with the same effective title and over-arching title of "Management". Does that mean they are all the same people, with the same entity? Of course not.

The Trinity was a stupid concept when it was thought up and is no different today. If the bible is read literally (and even symbollically) it clearly refers to 3 separate deities (well that is if you count Jesus as god - he certainly didn't say he was).
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We must be reading different bibles.
If Jesus is not God
then he's the biggest LIAR!
Because he sure claims to be God.

Jesus is from the beginning.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Jesus performed those works.

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Jesus never claimed to be God. I challenge you to find the verse where Jesus makes such a claim.

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I can think of no words in the NT where the character of Jesus claims to be God. I do think the notion is in the NT, but in the words of Paul and the author of the Johannine material. I don't see it in the Synoptic gospels.

The concept a man being God was as anti-Jewish as one can get. This is so often lost on Christians.

In the same way, the Last Supper as recorded in the NT is highly unlikely. It's not kosher to consume blood. Really unkosher.

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Paul, a gnostic mystic, did not think Jesus was God. It is true that the Gospel of John has the highest Christology, but it's impossible to know how literally the writer intended his work to be taken.

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A man did not become God. God became a man. And as for Jonahs comment on the kosher food. It is obvious Jesus was talking figuratively. Paul a gnostic mystic. You have not read Pauls letters much. Pauls letter often were debating Gnosticism.

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