The age of miracles

[Athetotheist]

It's not really my intention to make a whole thread out of this; I just mean to pose a question as a point of curiosity: Can anyone refer me to textual evidence that the age of miracles was to end with the passing of the apostles?

[Checkpoint]

[quote="onewithhim"]
[Replying to post 189 by Checkpoint]

Do you think that the things that you find to be negative about JWs are worth more, in declining to join them, than the good things you find about their beliefs?

You believe, I think, that the Father is God, and Jesus is not. That is not enough to cause you to think that maybe it would be worth chillin' with JWs instead of any other group? I think that you respect Jehovah's name, even if you prefer to say "Yaveh." JWs are the only ones that use His name consistently. Is that not enough to show you that they must have something there? Why get tangled up in the argument that all Christians should partake of the emblems at the Memorial? Is that more important than knowing exactly who God is, using His name, and getting to know Him?

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I see how you are trying to put these trade-offs to me regarding what you see as being my positions, and therefore my possible or theoretical choices.

Sorry, but that scenario, while interesting, is not how I operate. It may well be how you do, or did, though.

However, "getting to know Him" seems to me to be along the better lines, and is a good place to start, and a good place to grow and come much closer.

But knowing and consistently using His name, will not actually get one very far at all, on their own, you know.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 189 by Checkpoint]

Do you think that the things that you find to be negative about JWs are worth more, in declining to join them, than the good things you find about their beliefs?

Couldn't that be said of many religions? All have some negative things and some positive things; all teach some truth and some falsehood.


The One who leads His people into ALL truth is Christ.

Why get tangled up in the argument that all Christians should partake of the emblems at the Memorial? Is that more important than knowing exactly who God is, using His name, and getting to know Him?

The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much. Luke 16:10 (NWT)



May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"



Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 189 by Checkpoint]

Do you think that the things that you find to be negative about JWs are worth more, in declining to join them, than the good things you find about their beliefs?

You believe, I think, that the Father is God, and Jesus is not. That is not enough to cause you to think that maybe it would be worth chillin' with JWs instead of any other group? I think that you respect Jehovah's name, even if you prefer to say "Yaveh." JWs are the only ones that use His name consistently. Is that not enough to show you that they must have something there? Why get tangled up in the argument that all Christians should partake of the emblems at the Memorial? Is that more important than knowing exactly who God is, using His name, and getting to know Him?

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I see how you are trying to put these trade-offs to me regarding what you see as being my positions, and therefore my possible or theoretical choices.

Sorry, but that scenario, while interesting, is not how I operate. It may well be how you do, or did, though.

However, "getting to know Him" seems to me to be along the better lines, and is a good place to start, and a good place to grow and come much closer.

But knowing and consistently using His name, will not actually get one very far at all, on their own, you know.

Really...you think not? I know of instances where an individual was bothered by the demons. They would hide stuff on him and laugh. The way he eventually got them to leave him alone was to use the name of Jehovah, which they hate.

This is what stands between people and the demons---Jehovah and His name along with His Spirit.

I don't know what you mean "trying to [manipulate] trade-offs".....that went right over my head.



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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave.


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[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave.


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But weren't you just asking Checkpoint to tolerate the negative things he sees in the JW religion, for the sake of the few positive things he sees in the JW religion?



I like your question though: "Why tolerate the bad?" I am in no religion because a) my Lord called me and kept me out of them all; and because b) although all of them have some true things in them (how else to mislead the elect who are seeking truth?), all of them also teach falsehood. None of them are the Truth.



Peace again to you!
- a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave..

You would leave? And then what and where?

You would first have to become convinced whatever it was was actually bad.

Very hard for anyone who is sure that "all religions have good things and bad things(all of them except one)".

[r1xlx]

[Replying to post 1 by Athetotheist]

If healing be a miracle the smoothness of my knee working like a well oiled hinge is due to teh miracle that praying over it took away the roughness and pain I have had since an accident almost 50 years previously.

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave.


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But weren't you just asking Checkpoint to tolerate the negative things he sees in the JW religion, for the sake of the few positive things he sees in the JW religion?
Peace again to you!
- a slave of Christ,
tammy

No.I was trying to say....why throw out the big good things you see in the JW teaching (which are quite important doctrines) for the small things that you see in other religious viewpoints such as Tam's? Why keep JWs at arm's distance over a belief that everyone should partake of the emblems at the Memorial, such as is the belief of Tam? JWs don't believe that Jesus is God, which view Checkpoint also holds, and every other religion out there that calls themselves "Christian" says that Jesus is God, so apparently JWs are right, according to Checkpoint, on that. But he rejects us because we say that only people who are going to heaven should take the Memorial emblems, and that Jesus' name was Michael before he came to Earth. Which belief is of more weight here? The doctrine that teaches that Jesus is not God or the belief that Jesus is not Michael?


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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave..

You would leave? And then what and where?

You would first have to become convinced whatever it was was actually bad.

Very hard for anyone who is sure that "all religions have good things and bad things(all of them except one)".

There would be nowhere to go. I say like Peter: "Lord, whom shall we go away to?" (John 6:68)


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[Tcg]

[Replying to post 192 by tam]

I was saying that yes, all religions have good things as well as bad things (all of them except one). Why tolerate the bad things? If my religion had bad things in it, I would leave.

Your religion does indeed have bad things in it:

• Why Is the Jehovah’s Witness Child Sex Abuse Scandal Different?
  
  Many people do not even realize that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a high-control group: most members of the public – judges and lawmakers included – think of them only as those “nice people� who go door-to-door offering “Bible studies�; pro-cult sociologists call them a “new religious movement�. When confronted with the covering up of sexual abuse by the Jehovah’s Witnesses (and other high-control organizations), these legal experts often make the mistake of treating the cases as they would one involving the Boy Scouts, the Methodist Church, or a sports club, when in fact, the organization they are dealing with is far less likely to cooperate with law enforcement. Mainstream religious groups have been reluctant to admit to abuse, but once that abuse has been exposed, many have done all that they can to expose the abusers. On his recent visit to Ireland, Pope Francis aligned himself with the victims of abuse, and has promised to do all that he can to root out this evil from the Catholic Church. This is not the attitude of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
  
  https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/jeh ... nizations/

If it is the Jehovah's Witnesses you are counting in your, "(all of them except one)" claim, then you'll need to reconsider that tally.


Tcg