Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[onewithhim]

...fire from God will devour them.
Rev 20:9

That is speaking about symbolic fire

Revelation and Leviticus are talking about the same literal fire from God, the same word "devour" used that caused death to the sinners.
By the way Revelation 20 is the final judgement of God.
Saints - second death has no power.
Sinners - died then resurrected after 1,000 years, but devoured by fire of God, and died again, as second death.

Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

Rev 20:5-9
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

"Devoured" means that the people are made non-existent. They are completely obliterated. I had said that to say "Jehovah is a fire" doesn't mean that he is actually fire. So "fire" doesn't always mean a literal burning with literal fire, wouldn't you say? Symbolic uses of "fire":

"For here Jehovah himself comes as a very fire, and his chariots are like a storm wind." (Isaiah 66:15 and also verse 16.)

"As for His lips, they have become full of denunciation and His tongue is like a devouring fire." (Isaiah 30:27)

"And in my heart it proved to be like a burning fire shut up in my bones; and I got tired of holding it in, and I was unable to endure it." (Jeremiah 20:9b)

The fire that punished the ungodly that is what I mean as literal fire that causes death to anybody.
And lexicon does not define "devoured" as the people are made non-existent.

NT:2719 (devoured) katafagoo, to eat up, to devour, to consume; to exploit, to prey upon
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon)

And I showed you how fire can be symbolic. Would you re-read the verses that I pointed out in my last post? (Your definition of "devour" does not disagree with my contention that "fire" is symbolic in many cases. Your own definition says that "devour" could mean to consume, do you see that? My dictionary says that "consume" means completely destroy. Doesn't that mean that the ones destroyed are non-existent?

[Capbook]

...fire from God will devour them.
Rev 20:9

That is speaking about symbolic fire

Revelation and Leviticus are talking about the same literal fire from God, the same word "devour" used that caused death to the sinners.
By the way Revelation 20 is the final judgement of God.
Saints - second death has no power.
Sinners - died then resurrected after 1,000 years, but devoured by fire of God, and died again, as second death.

Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

Rev 20:5-9
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

"Devoured" means that the people are made non-existent. They are completely obliterated. I had said that to say "Jehovah is a fire" doesn't mean that he is actually fire. So "fire" doesn't always mean a literal burning with literal fire, wouldn't you say? Symbolic uses of "fire":

"For here Jehovah himself comes as a very fire, and his chariots are like a storm wind." (Isaiah 66:15 and also verse 16.)

"As for His lips, they have become full of denunciation and His tongue is like a devouring fire." (Isaiah 30:27)

"And in my heart it proved to be like a burning fire shut up in my bones; and I got tired of holding it in, and I was unable to endure it." (Jeremiah 20:9b)

The fire that punished the ungodly that is what I mean as literal fire that causes death to anybody.
And lexicon does not define "devoured" as the people are made non-existent.

NT:2719 (devoured) katafagoo, to eat up, to devour, to consume; to exploit, to prey upon
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon)

And I showed you how fire can be symbolic. Would you re-read the verses that I pointed out in my last post? (Your definition of "devour" does not disagree with my contention that "fire" is symbolic in many cases. Your own definition says that "devour" could mean to consume, do you see that? My dictionary says that "consume" means completely destroy. Doesn't that mean that the ones destroyed are non-existent?

You skipped my explanation that fire causes death, just like literal fire.

[onewithhim]

...fire from God will devour them.
Rev 20:9

That is speaking about symbolic fire

Revelation and Leviticus are talking about the same literal fire from God, the same word "devour" used that caused death to the sinners.
By the way Revelation 20 is the final judgement of God.
Saints - second death has no power.
Sinners - died then resurrected after 1,000 years, but devoured by fire of God, and died again, as second death.

Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

Rev 20:5-9
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

"Devoured" means that the people are made non-existent. They are completely obliterated. I had said that to say "Jehovah is a fire" doesn't mean that he is actually fire. So "fire" doesn't always mean a literal burning with literal fire, wouldn't you say? Symbolic uses of "fire":

"For here Jehovah himself comes as a very fire, and his chariots are like a storm wind." (Isaiah 66:15 and also verse 16.)

"As for His lips, they have become full of denunciation and His tongue is like a devouring fire." (Isaiah 30:27)

"And in my heart it proved to be like a burning fire shut up in my bones; and I got tired of holding it in, and I was unable to endure it." (Jeremiah 20:9b)

The fire that punished the ungodly that is what I mean as literal fire that causes death to anybody.
And lexicon does not define "devoured" as the people are made non-existent.

NT:2719 (devoured) katafagoo, to eat up, to devour, to consume; to exploit, to prey upon
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon)

And I showed you how fire can be symbolic. Would you re-read the verses that I pointed out in my last post? (Your definition of "devour" does not disagree with my contention that "fire" is symbolic in many cases. Your own definition says that "devour" could mean to consume, do you see that? My dictionary says that "consume" means completely destroy. Doesn't that mean that the ones destroyed are non-existent?

You skipped my explanation that fire causes death, just like literal fire.

Would you kindly make up your mind which viewpoint you believe? It is not clear whether you believe that the fire of Revelation 20:10 is literal or figurative.

[Capbook]

...fire from God will devour them.
Rev 20:9

That is speaking about symbolic fire

Revelation and Leviticus are talking about the same literal fire from God, the same word "devour" used that caused death to the sinners.
By the way Revelation 20 is the final judgement of God.
Saints - second death has no power.
Sinners - died then resurrected after 1,000 years, but devoured by fire of God, and died again, as second death.

Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

Rev 20:5-9
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

"Devoured" means that the people are made non-existent. They are completely obliterated. I had said that to say "Jehovah is a fire" doesn't mean that he is actually fire. So "fire" doesn't always mean a literal burning with literal fire, wouldn't you say? Symbolic uses of "fire":

"For here Jehovah himself comes as a very fire, and his chariots are like a storm wind." (Isaiah 66:15 and also verse 16.)

"As for His lips, they have become full of denunciation and His tongue is like a devouring fire." (Isaiah 30:27)

"And in my heart it proved to be like a burning fire shut up in my bones; and I got tired of holding it in, and I was unable to endure it." (Jeremiah 20:9b)

The fire that punished the ungodly that is what I mean as literal fire that causes death to anybody.
And lexicon does not define "devoured" as the people are made non-existent.

NT:2719 (devoured) katafagoo, to eat up, to devour, to consume; to exploit, to prey upon
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon)

And I showed you how fire can be symbolic. Would you re-read the verses that I pointed out in my last post? (Your definition of "devour" does not disagree with my contention that "fire" is symbolic in many cases. Your own definition says that "devour" could mean to consume, do you see that? My dictionary says that "consume" means completely destroy. Doesn't that mean that the ones destroyed are non-existent?

You skipped my explanation that fire causes death, just like literal fire.

Would you kindly make up your mind which viewpoint you believe? It is not clear whether you believe that the fire of Revelation 20:10 is literal or figurative.

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #184]

And we already have had posts back and forth about what "devoured" means. It actually means a complete obliteration, all gone!

[myth-one.com]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

[John17_3]

[Replying to achilles12604 in post #1]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

The Bible answers this question in the same book where we find the expression 'lake of fire'.
Revelation 20:14 - Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

It is similar to asking the question, is the seven headed wild beast literal, or figurative?
The Bible answers. Revelation 17:9, 10, 12 - Here is the mind having wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them; and there are seven kings. And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings.

Another example.
If we wanted to know if the waters the woman sits upon and the woman herself is literal, or figurative.
Revelation 17:15, 18 - And he says to me, "The waters that you saw where the prostitute sits are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

Of course, the angel does not tell us the representation of every sign he uses, but John tells us, that the angel is giving the Revelation in signs. Revelation 1:1
So, it is important we don't read Revelation as literal, except where it indicates a literal reading.

[myth-one.com]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

It is literal!

The wages of sin is the second death.

The second death is administered by being cast into a literal lake of fire and brimstone.

A figurative, symbolic, imaginary or AI generated lake of fire would not be fatal.

[onewithhim]

Yes, the fire that devour the sinners, devil, the beast and the false prophet is literal fire that devoured and causes death to them just like Nadab and Abihu.

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV
Lev 10:2
2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
KJV

You claim that the fire causes death to the devil.

Then you quote Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil is tormented day and night forever.

Aren't those two statements contradictory?

Nope. Your definition of "tormented" is not correct. It just means that the devil is put out of commission by being held back from doing anything. He is "jailed" in a sense, and this is because he will be dead. Look up the definition of "tormented" and get the sense of the Greek word. It has to do with being jailed, not tortured.

[onewithhim]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

It is literal!

The wages of sin is the second death.

The second death is administered by being cast into a literal lake of fire and brimstone.

A figurative, symbolic, imaginary or AI generated lake of fire would not be fatal.

Of course it would be fatal to be figuratively cast into a lake of fire. That simply means that the Devil and those not written in the book of life will be extinguished, annihilated, obliterated. The lake of fire has to be figurative because Death and hell are cast into it. One cannot literally throw death and hell into a fire.