The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #117]
Satan and his angels started out in heaven, before they rebelled. The angels that rebelled looked down at human women and decided to leave heaven and live with the women in physical bodies.

So the asexual angels lusted after human women?

How does that work?
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Lust: very strong sexual desire.

Asexual: not involving sexual activity, feelings, or associations; nonsexual.

What would cause asexual beings to lust?

[Eloi]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #117]
Satan and his angels started out in heaven, before they rebelled. The angels that rebelled looked down at human women and decided to leave heaven and live with the women in physical bodies.

So the asexual angels lusted after human women?

How does that work?
(...)

Lust: very strong sexual desire.

Asexual: not involving sexual activity, feelings, or associations; nonsexual.

What would cause asexual beings to lust?

The most influential aspect in a sexual act is not the physical but the mind. How can a 100 year old man still desire a young woman?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #117]

Satan and his angels started out in heaven, before they rebelled. The angels that rebelled looked down at human women and decided to leave heaven and live with the women in physical bodies.

So the asexual angels lusted after the human women?

How does that work?

And by "live with the Women in physical bodies" do you mean that the rebelling angels will become physical bodies and live with the women?

Or, are you simply stating that the women have physical bodies?

Are you the position to say whether or not angels can lust? The scriptures indicate that they can, and they have. The rebelling angels became physical so that they could have intercourse with the human women. The result of their illicit intercourse was the Nephilim.

[myth-one.com]

Are you in the position to say whether or not angels can lust? The scriptures indicate that they can, and they have.

Actually, the scriptures indicate that angels have no reason to participate in sexual activities. God created sex for a specific purpose, to produce families. The sexual act within marriage procreates the human race. In the Kingdom of God, there are no humans and thus no marriage. There we will all have spiritual bodies like the angels which live forever. Since we live forever, there is no longer any need to reproduce ourselves. Therefore, there is no reason for sex in the Kingdom of God. Every being there will be asexual.

Lust requires sexual desires. Being asexual, angels have no sexual desires. Thus, angels are incapable of lusting.

The rebelling angels became physical so that they could have intercourse with the human women. The result of their illicit intercourse was the Nephilim.

Is that the reason they rebelled, to have sex with the human women?

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1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The "sons of God" in verse 2 most likely refers to men who were descendants of the godly linage of Seth.

These "sons of God" began to intermarry with the women from the ungodly linage of Cain.

Your claim that the "sons of God" were angels is refuted by Jesus' statements that angels do not marry!

The union of the godly men from the Seth family line with the ungodly women of the Cain family line, led to wickedness.

[onewithhim]

Are you in the position to say whether or not angels can lust? The scriptures indicate that they can, and they have.

Actually, the scriptures indicate that angels have no reason to participate in sexual activities. God created sex for a specific purpose, to produce families. The sexual act within marriage procreates the human race. In the Kingdom of God, there are no humans and thus no marriage. There we will all have spiritual bodies like the angels which live forever. Since we live forever, there is no longer any need to reproduce ourselves. Therefore, there is no reason for sex in the Kingdom of God. Every being there will be asexual.

Lust requires sexual desires. Being asexual, angels have no sexual desires. Thus, angels are incapable of lusting.

The rebelling angels became physical so that they could have intercourse with the human women. The result of their illicit intercourse was the Nephilim.

Is that the reason they rebelled, to have sex with the human women?

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1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The "sons of God" in verse 2 most likely refers to men who were descendants of the godly linage of Seth.

These "sons of God" began to intermarry with the women from the ungodly linage of Cain.

Your claim that the "sons of God" were angels is refuted by Jesus' statements that angels do not marry!

The union of the godly men from the Seth family line with the ungodly women of the Cain family line, led to wickedness.

The angels that fell away were of the inclination to rebel against Jehovah, and to leave their "natural dwelling place" and co-mingle with humans was a very good way of doing that. Satan and his rebellious angels will do anything to give a finger, so to speak, to Jehovah. To leave heaven and materialize on Earth was a very mean thing to do. I don't think it was because they had sexual desires for the women. They just wanted to act against Jehovah.

I don't believe at all that the "sons of God" were humans. That refers to some of the angels. Jesus said that angels do not marry, but that would be the faithful angels that are doing what they should! We're talking about the rebellious angels that had no concern for doing God's will.

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[myth-one.com]

Jesus said that angels do not marry, but that would be the faithful angels that are doing what they should! We're talking about the rebellious angels that had no concern for doing God's will.

I'll have to agree with Jesus that angels do not marry.

If rebellious angels do marry as you claim, then Jesus was wrong.

And if that is the case, then you know more about angels than Jesus.

I'm thinking that Jesus probably got it right.

[onewithhim]

Jesus said that angels do not marry, but that would be the faithful angels that are doing what they should! We're talking about the rebellious angels that had no concern for doing God's will.

I'll have to agree with Jesus that angels do not marry.

If rebellious angels do marry as you claim, then Jesus was wrong.

And if that is the case, then you know more about angels than Jesus.

I'm thinking that Jesus probably got it right.

You didn't get the gist of what I said. The approved state of the angels was that they would not marry. The faithful ones had no need, and they were happy with their situation. The rebellious angels looked for ways to thumb their noses at Jehovah and one way was to leave heaven and cohabit with humans. Jesus got it right but you haven't.

[myth-one.com]

Jesus said that angels do not marry, but that would be the faithful angels that are doing what they should! We're talking about the rebellious angels that had no concern for doing God's will.

I'll have to agree with Jesus that angels do not marry.

If rebellious angels do marry as you claim, then Jesus was wrong.

And if that is the case, then you know more about angels than Jesus.

I'm thinking that Jesus probably got it right.

You didn't get the gist of what I said. The approved state of the angels was that they would not marry. The faithful ones had no need, and they were happy with their situation. The rebellious angels looked for ways to thumb their noses at Jehovah and one way was to leave heaven and cohabit with humans. Jesus got it right but you haven't.

I totally got the gist of what you said!

The Saducees attempted to trick Jesus by posing a question whereby one woman had multiple husbands which predeceased her. When she became a member of the Kingdom of God, which earthly husband would become her husband in the Kingdom of Heaven? Jesus answered:

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. (Mark 12:25)

God created marriage to produce families. The sexual act within marriage procreates the human race. In the Kingdom of God, there are no humans and thus no marriage. There we will be like the angels which live forever. Since angels live forever, there is no need to reproduce themselves. Therefore, there is no marrying among the angels.

So Jesus is saying that angels do not marry.

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You are claiming that angels can marry.

That is the gist of what you are claiming.

[JehovahsWitness]

HOW COULD ANGELS WHO WERE ONT CREATED TO REPORDUCE SEXUALLY LUST AFTER WOMEN?

It is a misconceptions to believe that God's intelligent creatures are incapable of defying the natural (God ordained) limits of their behaviours. While our physical limitations are self evident, and no matter how much it might desire it, a fish cannot fly and birds cannot breath under water, the morals which govern our behaviours can be perverted. Thus while it is scripturally completely unatural for a human to engage in bestiality or even homosexual activity, such desires are entirely possible due either to imperfection and/or a deliberate willful nurturing of perverted ideas.



ARE ANGELS ASEXUAL?

According to the online journal Medical News Today

Not everyone agrees on the definition of asexuality. It is a spectrum. An asexual person feels little or no sexual attraction, but they may engage in sexual activity.

source : https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327272

The Word "asexual" is not in the bible so the most we can say is spirits were not created to reproduce sexually and evidently not bound by gender. It would be premature however to say they are incapable of sexual desire since the rebellious angels (demons) evidently developed a (albeit perverted) sexual desire for women.

[Brightfame52]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of Christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.