Matthew 12:40

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a â€œdiscussionâ€� with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase â€œxâ€� days and â€œxâ€�nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didnâ€™t include at least parts of the â€œxâ€� days and at least parts of the â€œxâ€� nights?

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:57 am

rstrats wrote: OK, either you're just messing with me or in the immortal words of Struther Martin: "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

I'm not messing with you, and I am not failing to communicate my position.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:18 am

shnarkle,
re: "Sorry, my bad. You presented two positions, neither of which makes any sense to me."

I said: "...either you're just messing with me or in the immortal words of Struther Martin: 'What we have here is a failure to communicate'". Are these the 2 positions to which you are referring?

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:03 am

I really don't see where it matters , whether it was three days or two days.

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:25 am

rstrats wrote: shnarkle,
re: "Sorry, my bad. You presented two positions, neither of which makes any sense to me."

I said: "...either you're just messing with me or in the immortal words of Struther Martin: 'What we have here is a failure to communicate'". Are these the 2 positions to which you are referring?

No. Here is what you posted.

So are you saying that the Messiah got His prophesy wrong or that Matthew wrote the prophesy incorrectly?

I'm not saying either one of those things. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on why you think these are two positions I would take.

I asked you if either one of these positions was something that you would like to elaborate on. It seemed to me that you were presenting what you felt to be the two most likely positions one could take. If that is the case why do feel this way? If there are others that are more likely would you like to present them as well?

What is your position, and why is this your position?

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:31 am

dio9 wrote: I really don't see where it matters , whether it was three days or two days.

Are you making this statement because you don't care or see the point, etc.; or because you don't understand the ramifications and would like to know why this might be significant?

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:40 am

shnarkle,
re: "I'm not saying either one of those things."

OK, that answers my question.

re: " Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on why you think these are two positions I would take."

Because I had forgotten that you don't think that the Messiah was in the tomb during any part of the day of crucifixion or during any part of the 1st day of the week.

re: " I asked you if either one of these positions was something that you would like to elaborate on."

For the purpose of this topic, they aren't. I allowed myself to get drawn off topic by my faulty memory/understanding with regard to your comments. For the purpose of this topic I am only concerned with what is asked for in the OP as clarified in subsequent posts.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:02 am

dio9,
re: "I really don't see where it matters , whether it was three days or two days."

It might. When asked by the scribes and Pharisees for a sign of his authority, the Messiah said that the only sign would be His time in the "heart of the earth" for three days AND three nights. If He didn't spend that time, then He would not qualify.

So why do you think that it doesn't matter as to the length of time? However, that's an issue for a different topic.

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:43 am

Someone new looking in may know of examples.

bluethread · Post by **bluethread** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:47 pm

rstrats wrote: Someone new looking in may know of examples.

I have tried to look back but the discussion appears to get muddled. So, let me start fresh. I believe in a fourth day(Wednesday) sacrifice and evening burial, followed by a fifth day Pesach, a sixth day first fruits/preparation day, the weekly Shabbat with an day ending resurrection. So, do you find a problem with that?

rstrats · Post by **rstrats** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:33 pm

bluethread,
re: "I believe in a fourth day(Wednesday) sacrifice...do you find a problem with that?"

Yes, but that's an issue for another topic.