Challenge, prove that Jesus is "God"

[Elijah John]

I have a challenge for Trinitarians. Prove that Jesus Christ is God from Scripture. But here's the rub, do so without using any references from the Gospel of John, or any of the Epistles or the Book of Revelation.

Can you do it?

[polonius]

EBA posted

Well, Scripture proves that David called Jesus “Yahweh� whether you believe David wrote it or not and whether you believe Jesus was wrong or not; your rules.

RESPONSE: Not at all. Scripture only proves that somebody (obviously not a witness) wrote this story about 500 years after that claimed event.

Do you believe everything you believe without considering the credibility of the evidence?

Do you believe the story of the talking snake in Genesis too?

[JehovahsWitness]

Well, Scripture proves that David called Jesus “Yahweh� ....

David never called Jesus YAHWEH!


In Psalms 110 it is recorded that YAHWEH spoke to David's Lord. Yahweh /Jehovah wasn't speaking to Himself, he was speaking to someone David called "my Lord".





JW

[tam]

Peace to you both!

Ps. 110:1 shows YHWH (the Father) speaking to his Christ: Acts 2:33-36

Sorry, but not to these first century Jew Christ was speaking to, it doesn't.

Acts came later.

Peace.

I'm not sure it matters about Acts, since Matthew (24:43-45) states the same thing. You are correct that David is the one speaking in that Psalm (Christ confirms this). But tigger 2 is correct that God is speaking to His Son: "the LORD (YHWH) said to my (David's) Lord (Christ), sit at my right hand until I make the earth a footstool for your feet."



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[shnarkle]

Well, Scripture proves that David called Jesus “Yahweh� ....

David never called Jesus YAHWEH!


In Psalms 110 it is recorded that YAHWEH spoke to David's Lord. Yahweh /Jehovah wasn't speaking to Himself, he was speaking to someone David called "my Lord".





JW

Perhaps the psalmist isn't the best example in that case, but when the author of Hebrews quotes the psalmist, there does seem to be a problem because in chapter 1 of Hebrews, the author quotes psalms that are explicitly referring to Jehovah. How is it that the New World Translation doesn't follow suit and correctly use the word "Jehovah", but insteads uses 'Lord'?

It seems quite obvious that the context is referring to Christ. Obviously this doesn't work for this OP, but it certainly does refute your ideas, doesn't it?

[EBA]

RESPONSE: Not at all. Scripture only proves that somebody (obviously not a witness) wrote this story about 500 years after that claimed event.

That’s a false statement.
Your fishing for an argument that doesn’t belong in this thread. Perhaps you can start a new thread and show us just how, “Scripture only proves that somebody (obviously not a witness) wrote this story about 500 years after that claimed event.�

Do you believe everything you believe without considering the credibility of the evidence?

No.

Do you believe the story of the talking snake in Genesis too?

I believe the story, but unlike you apparently, I don’t take it literally.

[EBA]

David never called Jesus YAHWEH!

Well, not to his knowledge, he didn’t know who Jesus was.

In Psalms 110 it is recorded that YAHWEH spoke to David's Lord. Yahweh /Jehovah wasn't speaking to Himself, he was speaking to someone David called "my Lord".

No, the Psalm is written in third person by and about King David. Everybody, including Jesus, knew that “my lord� is King David. Jews, to this day, still believe that to be the case.
We as Christians know this to be prophetic only due to events that took place much later.
Even then, it needs to be read and interpreted in third person form.

[JehovahsWitness]

... when the author of Hebrews quotes the psalmist, there does seem to be a problem because in chapter 1 of Hebrews ... It seems quite obvious that the context is referring to Christ.

Do you have a specific verse in mind? If so, do you feel inclined to write which verse you are refering to down in a post?




JW

[JehovahsWitness]

David never called Jesus YAHWEH!

Well, not to his knowledge, he didn’t know who Jesus was.

That is correct. David is never recorded as calling either Jesus or the promised Messiah YHWH (Yahweh/Jehovah).



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



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[shnarkle]

... when the author of Hebrews quotes the psalmist, there does seem to be a problem because in chapter 1 of Hebrews ... It seems quite obvious that the context is referring to Christ.

Do you have a specific verse in mind? If so, do you feel inclined to write which verse you are refering to down in a post?




JW

The author of Hebrews quotes the psalmist's 102 psalm which is explicitly addressing Jehovah. The verses in question are vss. 10-12 of the first chapter of the letter to the Hebrews which are explicitly referring to Christ. Verses 25-27 of the 102 psalm must be referring to Christ in the mind of the author of Hebrews.

[JehovahsWitness]

The verses in question are vss. 10-12 of the first chapter of the letter to the Hebrews which are explicitly referring to Christ.

HEBREWS 1:10-12
And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.�

PSALMS 102:25-27
Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Are you suggesting the above verses refer to Christ? If so, why do you come to such a conclusion?



JW



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