The Mark of the Beast

[Ben Masada]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it's only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? "God forbid," he said, "that I should glory in anything save in the cross." The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

[Kadmon]

This is quite paranoid on your part, Ben, and totally unBiblical. It isn't always about you, you know.

It isn't that far fetched. According to the very little in the Bible the anti-Christi or spirit of the anti-Christ is exactly that in they oppose the Christ or more direct they deny that Jesus was flesh and blood or a Jew.

On the other hand it seems there is something to the anointed and one who is called by God the community or social nature where believers were the new humanity as the body of Christ were grafted into Israel.
There is also some thing to be said for the social nature of salvation as sinners(gentiles) are saved as a whole and not as individuals.
Granted Paul's use of the believer becoming one with the Christ or their god has more in common with the pagan mystery cults rather then Hebrew ideas.
Of course that doesn't mean he isn't paranoid but there is some merit to his approach.

According To The Scriptures The Roman Kill Yashu'a / Jesus Christ Yes ? But Didn't The Jews Have A Hand In It Also ??????

We get that information from the anti-Jewish propaganda of the gospels.
If we read Mark we find that the Pharisees were on fairly friendly terms with Jesus and even warned him of Herod. The High Priest was largely a Roman appointment and it would have been in his interests to turn Jesus over but the Jews as a whole would not have had a problem as even the gospels say Jesus was popular. Acts has the Pharisees defending Jewish Christians and it seem the Christians worshipped at the temple for 40 years after the the death of Jesus and were in good standing. But the gospels come later when it wasn't a good idea to identify with Jews and Jews in the Diaspora were there chief competition. Of course there was the Jewish temple tax that Jews were forced to pay Romans after the war. Jesus being killed by Jews was a convenient myth where even if the High Priest wanted to kill Jesus it was still a Roman form of death reserved for those that Rome found troublesome. Even if the High Priest had anything to do with the death of Jesus It was still the Romans and being a Messiah is not a good plan.
I suspect the 12 were a representative of the 12 tribes and may very well be fiction. Judas might have even been his brother as it is said he had brothers. When they say "betrayed" it means handed over or given over which God could have done according to the followers and later the story told it differently to correspond to so-called prophesy and pro-Rome feelings or needs.
There are no good reasons to think the Jews acctually killed Jesus.

I was asking did the jews have a hand in Yashu'a / Jesus Christ Dead '' Yes '' No ''

Is using the word anti-Jewish away of side steping the question ? That word getting Old plus I don't buy into it .

[kayky]

I don't think the anti-semitism found in the Gospels justifies the claim that the term anti-Christ was aimed specifically at the Jews. Christianity was breaking away from Judaism at the time the Gospels were written, and Christians were no longer welcome in Jewish synagogues. So, yes, there was some bad blood there. But there is no evidence that Paul (a Jew) saw the Jews as the anti-Christ. And as for the book of Revelation--it is meaningless drivel, in my opinion.

[Kadmon]

I don't think the anti-semitism found in the Gospels justifies the claim that the term anti-Christ was aimed specifically at the Jews. Christianity was breaking away from Judaism at the time the Gospels were written, and Christians were no longer welcome in Jewish synagogues. So, yes, there was some bad blood there. But there is no evidence that Paul (a Jew) saw the Jews as the anti-Christ. And as for the book of Revelation--it is meaningless drivel, in my opinion.

Overstand something I have nothing against jews or anybody for that matter , But I have notice Some jews use the word Anti-Semitism LOT , When discussing most anything as if whatever they say is Gospels . LOLOLOLOLOLOL . To me its just another way of changeing the subject , And it old , But the sad thing is Some people fall for the trap .


AnyWay Post # 90 Is Speaking Of The Mark If The Beast .

Food For Though -- One Must Read The Whole Manual Before you began to put the car together , One Of The Mistakes Christian Make Picking Out Of The Bible What They Like And Discard The Rest . Bigggggggggggggggggg Mistake .. Ever Notice Whenever The Question Is Ask ( Who Is Thee Anti-Christ ) The Finger Pointing Began , They Never Name , Names Do They . Things That Makes You Go Hummm

[Ben Masada]

The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast


Where In This Verse Does It Says The Jewish People Are The Anointed Of The Lord By Name ..


Habakkuk 3:13 (King James Version)

13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.


Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

[Kadmon]

The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast


Where In This Verse Does It Says The Jewish People Are The Anointed Of The Lord By Name ..


Habakkuk 3:13 (King James Version)

13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.


Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

[Ben Masada]

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

There is no specific name for the Antichrist. But the first sign of an antichrist is to be anti-Semite. And anti-Semite is to be anti-Jewish or anti-Judaism.
And the most prominent anti-Jewish sentiments started with a former Jew, Paul of all peoples, as he established the policy of Replacement Theology in Galatians 4:21-31.

[Cathar1950]

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

There is no specific name for the Antichrist. But the first sign of an antichrist is to be anti-Semite. And anti-Semite is to be anti-Jewish or anti-Judaism.
And the most prominent anti-Jewish sentiments started with a former Jew, Paul of all peoples, as he established the policy of Replacement Theology in Galatians 4:21-31.

I think Paul truly believed the Gentiles (sinners) were being grafted unto the branch (Israel). I am not sure Paul was all that Jewish,; He did say he was a Hebrew and of the tribe of Benjamin which means he wasn't a Jew (Judaic).
In one of his letters he calls the littlest Herod his kinsmen. Herod's family like his nation had been forced to convert during the second century, give or take a century, and they called themselves Benjamin's.
The point is the Paul thought there was no longer a division because all walls were broken as the Christ would be bring the new age soon. The anti-Semites get in the gospel as the time they were being created it wasn't so great to be a Jew do to the war and Temple taxes. Later they would be competing for their reinterpretation of the Hebrew writings and the story of Israel. As the last times slowly failed to come to pass the message became more about Jesus and heir interpretations.

I hate buying into this "anti-Christ" nonsense. The little even mentioned in the NT tell us nothing except maybe those that deny Jesus came in the flesh were anti-Christ. It has to do with some perceived heresy and much like Jews and Christians calling each other Satan ( an obstacle) both with in and with out.

If there is any prophesy it is self-fulfilling prophesy.
I kind of see the point that Jesus being a Jew is still explained away. Even his dad isn't a Jew. I also think his Jewish followers and family were written out of the story for a Gentile and Pauline fiction invented by the unknown author of Acts and Eusebius the father of Church history. Of course there are the new myth being created where the anti-Christ is mixed in with the beast for the new last days stories and popular myth.

[Kadmon]

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

There is no specific name for the Antichrist. But the first sign of an antichrist is to be anti-Semite. And anti-Semite is to be anti-Jewish or anti-Judaism.
And the most prominent anti-Jewish sentiments started with a former Jew, Paul of all peoples, as he established the policy of Replacement Theology in Galatians 4:21-31.

So According To The Above Your Saying Anyone Who Speak Against Jew Are Anti - Semite Yes ?

So My Question To You Is Orthodox Jews Says The Torah Forbids A Jewish State...
Are Also Anti - Semite Too ?

New York City, 11 June, 2009

On Thursday, June 11, 2009, Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis stood in solidarity with other pro Palestinian people, in front of the United Nations headquarters in New York City, to protest Israel's seizure, 42 years ago, of the West Bank and Gaza.

Can You Explain The Above To Us .

[Ben Masada]

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

There is no specific name for the Antichrist. But the first sign of an antichrist is to be anti-Semite. And anti-Semite is to be anti-Jewish or anti-Judaism.
And the most prominent anti-Jewish sentiments started with a former Jew, Paul of all peoples, as he established the policy of Replacement Theology in Galatians 4:21-31.

So According To The Above Your Saying Anyone Who Speak Against Jew Are Anti - Semite Yes ?

So My Question To You Is Orthodox Jews Says The Torah Forbids A Jewish State...
Are Also Anti - Semite Too ?

New York City, 11 June, 2009

On Thursday, June 11, 2009, Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis stood in solidarity with other pro Palestinian people, in front of the United Nations headquarters in New York City, to protest Israel's seizure, 42 years ago, of the West Bank and Gaza.

Can You Explain The Above To Us .

I would not call them anti-Semites but people who have lost sense of reality. They were protesting against a Governmental decision; albeit Jewish, and not against being Jewish or against Jewish lives.

[Kadmon]

Who is talking in this scripture? Habakkuk, the Prophet. Who is God's chosen People, are they not the Jewish People? Now, who is God's Anointed in this verse, the Gentiles? I think it's obvious.

Again Who Is The Anti - Christ In This Day & Time By Name ??? Also What A anti-Semite

There is no specific name for the Antichrist. But the first sign of an antichrist is to be anti-Semite. And anti-Semite is to be anti-Jewish or anti-Judaism.
And the most prominent anti-Jewish sentiments started with a former Jew, Paul of all peoples, as he established the policy of Replacement Theology in Galatians 4:21-31.

So According To The Above Your Saying Anyone Who Speak Against Jew Are Anti - Semite Yes ?

So My Question To You Is Orthodox Jews Says The Torah Forbids A Jewish State...
Are Also Anti - Semite Too ?

New York City, 11 June, 2009

On Thursday, June 11, 2009, Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis stood in solidarity with other pro Palestinian people, in front of the United Nations headquarters in New York City, to protest Israel's seizure, 42 years ago, of the West Bank and Gaza.

Can You Explain The Above To Us .

I would not call them anti-Semites but people who have lost sense of reality. They were protesting against a Governmental decision; albeit Jewish, and not against being Jewish or against Jewish lives.

Why Were The So-called Jew Allow To Take The Palestinian Land ?