Who created all things?

[servant1]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

[bjs1]

Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.

In Proverbs chapter 8 the author personifies wisdom. Most people say this is a symbolic way of describing wisdom and that God, who is wise, created all things.

Are you saying that passage is literal? That God literally created a female being, named Wisdom, who cries aloud by the gate of the city for the simple to gain prudence?

Are you also saying Wisdom, a created female being, is Jehovah’s “master worker” whom He grew especially fond of, and is therefore Jehovah’s son?

[onewithhim]

Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.

In Proverbs chapter 8 the author personifies wisdom. Most people say this is a symbolic way of describing wisdom and that God, who is wise, created all things.

Are you saying that passage is literal? That God literally created a female being, named Wisdom, who cries aloud by the gate of the city for the simple to gain prudence?

Are you also saying Wisdom, a created female being, is Jehovah’s “master worker” whom He grew especially fond of, and is therefore Jehovah’s son?

I think "wisdom" in verses 12-21 is Jehovah's actual wisdom that he will pass on to his people if they would just receive it. Those verses don't describe a woman. Verse 22 starts off referring to God's Son, His master worker, down to verse 31. Why would "wisdom" be all of those things? The verses are compatible with the thought that from 22 to 31 they describe God's Son. That is exactly what the relationship between them was. The Son created all things with the authority and power given to him by God.

[bjs1]

Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.

In Proverbs chapter 8 the author personifies wisdom. Most people say this is a symbolic way of describing wisdom and that God, who is wise, created all things.

Are you saying that passage is literal? That God literally created a female being, named Wisdom, who cries aloud by the gate of the city for the simple to gain prudence?

Are you also saying Wisdom, a created female being, is Jehovah’s “master worker” whom He grew especially fond of, and is therefore Jehovah’s son?

I think "wisdom" in verses 12-21 is Jehovah's actual wisdom that he will pass on to his people if they would just receive it. Those verses don't describe a woman. Verse 22 starts off referring to God's Son, His master worker, down to verse 31. Why would "wisdom" be all of those things? The verses are compatible with the thought that from 22 to 31 they describe God's Son. That is exactly what the relationship between them was. The Son created all things with the authority and power given to him by God.

Why? There is nothing in the text to suggest that this is accurate. In Proverbs 8:1-3 the author introduces wisdom as the speaker. Then in Proverbs 8:4-36 we have a continuous speech from this female personification of Wisdom. Nothing in verse 22, or in the verses before or after it, suggests that the speaker has changed from Wisdom to God’s Son.

The natural reading of Proverbs 8:4-36 is that it is one long speech from the personification of Wisdom. What makes you think otherwise?

[onewithhim]

Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.

In Proverbs chapter 8 the author personifies wisdom. Most people say this is a symbolic way of describing wisdom and that God, who is wise, created all things.

Are you saying that passage is literal? That God literally created a female being, named Wisdom, who cries aloud by the gate of the city for the simple to gain prudence?

Are you also saying Wisdom, a created female being, is Jehovah’s “master worker” whom He grew especially fond of, and is therefore Jehovah’s son?

I think "wisdom" in verses 12-21 is Jehovah's actual wisdom that he will pass on to his people if they would just receive it. Those verses don't describe a woman. Verse 22 starts off referring to God's Son, His master worker, down to verse 31. Why would "wisdom" be all of those things? The verses are compatible with the thought that from 22 to 31 they describe God's Son. That is exactly what the relationship between them was. The Son created all things with the authority and power given to him by God.

Why? There is nothing in the text to suggest that this is accurate. In Proverbs 8:1-3 the author introduces wisdom as the speaker. Then in Proverbs 8:4-36 we have a continuous speech from this female personification of Wisdom. Nothing in verse 22, or in the verses before or after it, suggests that the speaker has changed from Wisdom to God’s Son.

The natural reading of Proverbs 8:4-36 is that it is one long speech from the personification of Wisdom. What makes you think otherwise?

Would God describe a woman as "better than corals, and all other delights cannot be made equal to her?" Or: "By her kings keep reigning, and high officials keep decreeing righteousness. By her princes keep ruling as princes, and nobles are all judging in righteousness?" These expressions would be a literal woman? I don't think so. Solomon is speaking of Jehovah's actual wisdom that is better than corals and gold. Then the passage goes on to speak of something else. Jehovah's production of somebody who was created as the first being to be created, and who worked beside his Father Jehovah as a master worker, being fond of the sons of men. This doesn't describe a human woman either. Who, really was a master worker with God to create all things?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to marke in post #5]


Yes Jesus is Gods master worker-Prov 8:30= the one who was beside God during the creation process-- Only Jehovah God had the power and wisdom to create anything. He did it through Jesus. Jesus gives God =HE-100% credit-Prov 8:27-28 for creating.
The problem is many of the religions say Both Jehovah and Jesus created things because of the US at Gen 1:26--But verse 27 is clear-HE-not we created.

What exactly do you mean by, "He (God) did it through Jesus?" Is that like straining spaghetti through a strainer? How can I build a house through someone else? I build it or I don't. Stop playing games with words.

Was Jesus given the authority to create the heavens and the earth? Of course he was. He was sent with the Holy Spirit to create, Genesis 1:1-2 and Isaiah 48:16). It was Jesus who spoke all things into existence. In the Old Testament, the name of Jesus was unknown, a mystery, it's called the mystery of Godliness (1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B.) his name was secret (Judges 13:18), his name was wonderful (Isaiah 9:6). As the Son of man, and the Son of God we know him today as Jesus. He was called Jehovah in the Old Testament, and Jesus in the New. Study from the King James Bible, and all your confusion will go away.

[A Freeman]

Jesus is not only the name of the son of Mary, but it is also a title that means "The 'I AM' Saves".

So, after the resurrection and ascension, it is serves as another title that God has given to His Eldest/Firstborn (first-created) Son Prince Michael, usually expressed as "Christ, the Saviour".

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

And, concerning the question about Who created all things, that too is clearly answered in Scripture:-

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son (Christ), whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He (God) made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

THE Creative Force and King Ruler of the Universe is God.

God's Eldest/Firstborn Son, whom God CREATED/MADE First (Col. 1:12-15; Rev. 3:14) was then taught and shown everything he (Christ) knows by Father, Who created everyone and everything else by and for Christ.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

And with regard to the house-building analogy, there are both "homebuilders", i.e. large firms/companies that design and build houses, and there are also those who are in the home construction business (e.g. framers, roofers, plumbers, etc.), who are sub-contracted by the corporate homebuilding firms to physically build the houses.

https://usabynumbers.com/largest-homebu ... in-the-us/

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/fi ... e-building

So it would be analogous to describe Father (God) as the Master Designer, Creator and Builder, and Christ as the general contractor whom Father has sent to build the house; specifically the "House of Israel".

[onewithhim]

[Replying to marke in post #5]


Yes Jesus is Gods master worker-Prov 8:30= the one who was beside God during the creation process-- Only Jehovah God had the power and wisdom to create anything. He did it through Jesus. Jesus gives God =HE-100% credit-Prov 8:27-28 for creating.
The problem is many of the religions say Both Jehovah and Jesus created things because of the US at Gen 1:26--But verse 27 is clear-HE-not we created.

What exactly do you mean by, "He (God) did it through Jesus?" Is that like straining spaghetti through a strainer? How can I build a house through someone else? I build it or I don't. Stop playing games with words.

Do you build the house yourself? No, you have other people actually build it. You tell them what you want and they do it. Carpenters, electricians, plumbers, painters, etc. Jehovah built the universe through Jesus in the same way.

Nobody is "playing games."

[servant1]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #11]


Jesus is the one who was by Gods side during creation= Gods master worker= the one whom God grew especially fond of) The one whom God ( Jehovah) created all other things through( John 1:3, Col 1:16)

[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #15]


A designer( creator) of a computer board, gets 100% credit for creating that computer board. Yet a worker put it together.

[A Freeman]

Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.

In Proverbs chapter 8 the author personifies wisdom. Most people say this is a symbolic way of describing wisdom and that God, who is wise, created all things.

Are you saying that passage is literal? That God literally created a female being, named Wisdom, who cries aloud by the gate of the city for the simple to gain prudence?

Are you also saying Wisdom, a created female being, is Jehovah’s “master worker” whom He grew especially fond of, and is therefore Jehovah’s son?

I think "wisdom" in verses 12-21 is Jehovah's actual wisdom that he will pass on to his people if they would just receive it. Those verses don't describe a woman. Verse 22 starts off referring to God's Son, His master worker, down to verse 31. Why would "wisdom" be all of those things? The verses are compatible with the thought that from 22 to 31 they describe God's Son. That is exactly what the relationship between them was. The Son created all things with the authority and power given to him by God.

Why? There is nothing in the text to suggest that this is accurate. In Proverbs 8:1-3 the author introduces wisdom as the speaker. Then in Proverbs 8:4-36 we have a continuous speech from this female personification of Wisdom. Nothing in verse 22, or in the verses before or after it, suggests that the speaker has changed from Wisdom to God’s Son.

The natural reading of Proverbs 8:4-36 is that it is one long speech from the personification of Wisdom. What makes you think otherwise?

Wisdom and understanding are personified as a woman, because those attributes are "married" to our All-Knowing, All-Powerful God.

Proverbs 8:14 Counsel [is] Mine, and sound Wisdom: I [am] understanding; I have strength.

Beginning with verse 19, the product (fruit) of these attributes is being described, so that we can see God's attributes manifested in those (His Children) who love Him.

Proverbs 8:19-21
8:19 My fruit [is] better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and My revenue than choice silver.
8:20 I lead in The Way of Righteousness, in the midst of the paths of Judgment:
8:21 That I may cause those that love Me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

And Who is the PRIME Example of this? God's Anointed One (Christ - Rev. 1:5-8).

Proverbs 8:22-33
8:22 The "I AM" possessed me in the creating of His Way (John 3:34-35; John 14:6), before His works of old.
8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning (John 1:1-3), before ever the earth was (John 17:5).
8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth (Col. 1:12-16); when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills I was brought forth (Heb. 1:1-6):
8:26 While as yet He had not made the earth (Rev. 3:14), nor the fields, nor the chief part (man) from the dust of the earth (Gen. 2:7).
8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I [was] there (John 1:3): when He set a compass upon the face of the depth:
8:28 When He established the clouds above: when He strengthened the fountains of the deep:
8:29 When He gave to the sea His decree (Isa. 17:12-13), that the waters (Rev. 17:15) should not pass His commandment (Exod. 23:20-23): when He appointed the foundations of the earth:
8:30 Then I was by Him, [as] one brought up [with Him] (John 5:19-20): and I was daily [His] delight (Matt. 3:17), rejoicing always before Him;
8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of His earth; and my delights [were] with the sons of men (John 3:16).
8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children (John 10:1-18): for blessed [are they that] keep my ways (John 14:15, 21-24).
8:33 Hear instruction (Mark 9:7), and be wise, and refuse it not.