Clarifying questions for JW's

[Revelations won]

I have a few clarifying question for JW's as follows.

1. Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?

2. Do you claim that Jesus the Christd oes not now have a body of flesh and bones?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

Onewithhim, what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? We know they will never die again, so, were they able to be seen by some and not by others? Could they eat, drink, and walk through closed doors in their new bodies?

And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus, what kind of new body did he have after the Lord raised him from the grave? We know he ate with Martha and Jesus and was seen walking into the city. And we know he cannot die again, Hebrews 9:27.

What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? Was he in a spiritual body or a physical body? We know he was wearing a cloak, seen by the witch and Saul, and spoke to Saul about his future.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

... what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? ...And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus ...What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? ...

Regardless of whether the aforementioned were raised to immortal life or not, the bible is categoric when it comes to Jesus, 1 Peter 3:18, Acts 13:34, 1 Corinthians 15:45, and 2 Corinthians 5:16 all say that Jesus was put to death in the flesh but raised in the spirit.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



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[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

Onewithhim, what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? We know they will never die again, so, were they able to be seen by some and not by others? Could they eat, drink, and walk through closed doors in their new bodies?

You have to admit that the verses there are confusing. If you look at the literal translation in an Interlinear Bible you can see that there is not a clear meaning there. I believe that it speaks of the earthquake causing many tombs to open and bodies being thrown out of their graves because of the quake. The people who go into Jerusalem are passers-by who see the havoc caused by the earthquake. There are no resurrections at that time. Jesus said that he would resurrect people "in the last day." (John 6:40,44)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]


And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus, what kind of new body did he have after the Lord raised him from the grave? We know he ate with Martha and Jesus and was seen walking into the city. And we know he cannot die again, Hebrews 9:27.

What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? Was he in a spiritual body or a physical body? We know he was wearing a cloak, seen by the witch and Saul, and spoke to Saul about his future.

Lazarus didn't have a new body. He was resurrected back to life as the man he was. There were no spirit resurrections until "the last day" when a certain number of those resurrected as spirit people would go to heaven to be with Jesus. The rest of the resurrected dead would be raised back to their physical selves, but with no sickness or any kind of malady or malformation. Jesus just gave a fore-gleam of what he would do "in the last day." Lazarus would die again. Probably one of a handful of people that would die twice. The "die once" reference was about the general resurrections in the last day for people of all sorts....the situation with Lazarus was unique and did not apply to all people. How does your explanation fit in with Jesus' statement that he would resurrect everybody on the last day? No one before that would be resurrected to eternal life.

It wasn't Samuel who was raised by the witch of Endor. She was involved in things that God condemned, so I don't think that Samuel would have been able or willing to hear any commands from her. We know that "the dead are conscious of nothing at all," (Ecclesiastes 9:5) so Samuel couldn't have heard anything the witch said. Who would have been alive and ready to back up the witch? The demons. They pretended to be Samuel, to confuse people who didn't know better. It has worked down to this day.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

... what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? ...And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus ...What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? ...

Regardless of whether the aforementioned were raised to immortal life or not, the bible is categoric when it comes to Jesus, 1 Peter 3:18, Acts 13:34, 1 Corinthians 15:45, and 2 Corinthians 5:16 all say that Jesus was put to death in the flesh but raised in the spirit.


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Yes, Jesus was put to death in the flesh and was resurrected by the three;
By the Father, Spirit and Jesus (John 2:19-21)
And may I know what happen to Jesus body when He return to heaven?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

... what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? ...And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus ...What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? ...

Regardless of whether the aforementioned were raised to immortal life or not, the bible is categoric when it comes to Jesus, 1 Peter 3:18, Acts 13:34, 1 Corinthians 15:45, and 2 Corinthians 5:16 all say that Jesus was put to death in the flesh but raised in the spirit.


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Yes, Jesus was put to death in the flesh and was resurrected by the three;
By the Father, Spirit and Jesus (John 2:19-21)
And may I know what happen to Jesus body when He return to heaven?

A dead man cannot resurrect himself. Jesus was raised by the Father (who is God) alone. Jesus' body is a spirit body, as you have been informed many times, backed up by the scripture. He dwells in "unapproachable light, which no man has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) He is a spirit person, just like the Father (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18). No one could live in the spirit realm with God and the angels unless he also was a spirit Person.

[Revelations won]

Dear Onewithhim,

You said: "Answer to your question #1. Jesus showed Thomas the marks of his crucifixion just to show him that he, Thomas, was not hallucinating. He couldn't have been in a physical body because he had just entered the room through a locked door. (John 20:19) He was raised alive, but in a spirit body, just like God and the angels have. He couldn't live in the spirit realm with a physical body".

You are making a private biased interpretation regarding John 20:19. The resurrected Christ gave a clear and simple clarification regarding his body of "flesh and bone".

Who gave you authority to deny He who possessed the Divine Nature and gave clear evidence that HIS RESURRECTED BODY WAS ONE OF FLESH ANDF BONE???

Who gave you authority to tell our Lord and Savior what he can or cannot do with his resurrected body of flesh and bone?



Luke 24: 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Note: Christ’s most powerful, simple and clear witness regarding the flesh and bone nature of his resurrected body is indisputable. Any views otherwise are vastly inferior and are a denial of his clear witness and testimony given to the apostles.

[JehovahsWitness]

He is a spirit person, just like the Father (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18). No one could live in the spirit realm with God and the angels unless he also was a spirit Person.

Also scripture describes humans as "a little lower than the angels ", if Jesus were spend eternity in human form he would remain inferior to them at least on some level.

[onewithhim]

Dear Onewithhim,

You said: "Answer to your question #1. Jesus showed Thomas the marks of his crucifixion just to show him that he, Thomas, was not hallucinating. He couldn't have been in a physical body because he had just entered the room through a locked door. (John 20:19) He was raised alive, but in a spirit body, just like God and the angels have. He couldn't live in the spirit realm with a physical body".

You are making a private biased interpretation regarding John 20:19. The resurrected Christ gave a clear and simple clarification regarding his body of "flesh and bone".

Who gave you authority to deny He who possessed the Divine Nature and gave clear evidence that HIS RESURRECTED BODY WAS ONE OF FLESH ANDF BONE???

Who gave you authority to tell our Lord and Savior what he can or cannot do with his resurrected body of flesh and bone?



Luke 24: 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Note: Christ’s most powerful, simple and clear witness regarding the flesh and bone nature of his resurrected body is indisputable. Any views otherwise are vastly inferior and are a denial of his clear witness and testimony given to the apostles.

What is the opposition to the fact that Jesus was raised in a spirit body? After all, that is what he had before he came to the earth. And he had given up his likeness to men when he died for our sins. If he took the body back, he would be what my father calls "an Indian giver." Truly, he simply returned to the state he was in before he came to earth, and now he is at the right hand of God. How could a fleshly body live in the spirit realm where God and the angels live? The Scripture says that he lives in "unapproachable light that no man has seen nor can see." (I Timothy 6:16) A fleshly body could not withstand that. God is a Spirit and for Christ to be at His right hand he would have to be a spirit person as well. How could a physical man be in the presence of God Almighty who is a Spirit? (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45) That would be comparable to a man being next to the sun.

To me it is indisputable that Christ went through the locked door in a spirit body and then materialized within the group of disciples. He materialized a body of flesh and bone. He would change back again to spirit when he left, probably through the locked door again. Why is it so important to you that Christ would have a fleshly body?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #10]

... what kind of body do you think those who were raised from the grave in Matthew 27:52-53 had? ...And what about the Lord's friend Lazarus ...What about Samuel who was raised from his grave? ...

Regardless of whether the aforementioned were raised to immortal life or not, the bible is categoric when it comes to Jesus, 1 Peter 3:18, Acts 13:34, 1 Corinthians 15:45, and 2 Corinthians 5:16 all say that Jesus was put to death in the flesh but raised in the spirit.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS



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Yes, Jesus was put to death in the flesh and was resurrected by the three;
By the Father, Spirit and Jesus (John 2:19-21)
And may I know what happen to Jesus body when He return to heaven?

A dead man cannot resurrect himself. Jesus was raised by the Father (who is God) alone. Jesus' body is a spirit body, as you have been informed many times, backed up by the scripture. He dwells in "unapproachable light, which no man has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) He is a spirit person, just like the Father (John 4:24; I Peter 3:18). No one could live in the spirit realm with God and the angels unless he also was a spirit Person.

Yes, there are verses that the Father resurrect Jesus.
And there are verses that says the Spirit resurrect Jesus.
Also verses that Jesus said to raise His body in three days. (John 2:19-21)
Are those verses true? Just yes or no please?