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Jesus is God - Jude - Michael does not rebuke Satan

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Jude 1:9 Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the Devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
Matthew 4
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Jesus is Tempted by Satan
4 After this, Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After fasting for 40 days and 40 nights, he finally became hungry.

3 Then the tempter came. “Since[a] you are the Son of God,” he said, “tell these stones to become loaves of bread.”

4 But he answered, “It is written,

‘One must not live on bread alone,
but on every word coming
out of the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the Devil took him to the Holy City and had him stand on the highest point of the Temple. 6 He told Jesus, “Since you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, because it is written,

‘God will put his angels in charge of you,’

and,

‘With their hands they will hold you up,
so that you will never hit your foot against a rock.’”

7 Jesus responded to him, “It is also written, ‘You must not tempt the Lord your God.’”

8 Once more the Devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, along with their splendor. 9 He told Jesus, “I will give you all these things if you will bow down and worship me!”

10 Then Jesus told him, “Go away, Satan! Because it is written,

‘You must worship the Lord your God
and serve only him.’”

11 So the Devil left him, and angels came and began ministering to him.

Michael does not rebuke Satan and says May the Lord rebuke you.
Jesus does rebuke Satan.

Therefore:
Jesus is not Michael.
Jesus is the Lord.
Jesus is God.

Does this prove Jesus is not Michael?
Does this prove Jesus is God?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - Jude - Michael does not rebuke Satan

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Yozavan wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:03 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:41 pm
JacksonDeville wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:30 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Catholic art shows Michael fighting Satan.
The actual scripture says this: "When Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses' body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: 'May the LORD [YHWH] rebuke you.'" (Jude 9)

It doesn't say that they were fighting. They just had a heavy conversation with different viewpoints.
Did JacksonDeville win? He had Catholic art as evidence.
Couldn't Catholic art be mistaken? They usually show Jesus with long hair, too, and he did not have long hair. They put him forever on a cross and even the pope carries him around on a staff. That is misleading because Jesus is no longer hanging dead on the "cross." He is alive in heaven now, getting ready to expose and to destroy all false religion and their lies.

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JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Yes, Michael kicked Satan and his demons out of heaven down to the earth (Revelation 12:7-9) and he sure will fight him after the Millennial Reign.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.
Thanks.
But can a man defeat Satan? This will also proves that Jesus is God.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.
Michel is the resurrected Jesus, no longer a human but a mighty SPIRIT creature; and yes although not equal to ALMIGHTY God he (Jesus /Michel) is far more powerful than Satan and can and will DEFEAT (Satan) in their final confrontation.

Thanks.
But can a man defeat Satan? This will also proves that Jesus is God.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:58 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.
Michel is the resurrected Jesus, no longer a human but a mighty SPIRIT creature; and yes although not equal to ALMIGHTY God he (Jesus /Michel) is far more powerful than Satan and can and will DEFEAT (Satan) in their final confrontation.

Thanks.
But can a man defeat Satan? This will also proves that Jesus is God.
Where in the Bible that says Michael is the resurrected Jesus?
Acts 1:11 says that the same Jesus who is taken up from you into Heaven, will come in the way you have seen Him going into Heaven.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:26 am Where in the Bible that says Michael is the resurrected Jesus?
Acts 1:11 says that the same Jesus who is taken up from you into Heaven, will come in the way you have seen Him going into Heaven.
From the biblical description of Michel there is no other conclusion that can reasonably be made.



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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #17]

Why not show the verses and the interpretation?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.
Thanks.
But can a man defeat Satan? This will also proves that Jesus is God.
Please explain just HOW that proves that Jesus is God. I don't see it. (And what "man" are you talking about?)

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:50 am
JacksonDeville wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:25 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #5]

Revelation 12 has Michael fighting Satan so it sounds like he is able to fight him in end times
Could it be that this Michael is Jesus that fights and defeat Satan in Revelation 12:7-8?

Yes, I believe that you are correct.
Thanks.
But can a man defeat Satan? This will also proves that Jesus is God.
Please explain just HOW that proves that Jesus is God. I don't see it. (And what "man" are you talking about?)
Jesus pre-existence is equal with God, before taking the form of a man.

Php 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.
Php 2:7 Instead, he emptied himself by taking on the form of a servant, by becoming like other humans, by having a human appearance.(GOD'S WORD)

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