Help with Hell

[Margrove]

[onewithhim]

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #11]

Hell does not have a fire that burns forever. It is a mistake to lump "Hades" together with "Gehenna" and call them both "Hell." Hades is the common grave of mankind. Gehenna is a fiery dump of ancient days, mentioned by Jesus to illustrate what happens to a dead body when thrown there---complete destruction.

It is clear that Jesus did not view a human personality as just the body.

He warned that evil people will be consigned to eternal annihilation and symbolized that with the fiery dump

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He warned that evil personalities would experience hellish environments. Whether those environment were permanent or not, may or may not be clear. The fact that such could be experienced is what Jesus was warning about

Also, any mention of "fire" is a way of symbolically speaking of utter destruction. So when you see fire mentioned, it symbolizes complete annihilation so that the person no longer exists.

If the use of fire symbolizes compete destruction, then what feeds the fire that make it eternal?

Also to note - sometimes God is associated with light, and one of the spectrums of light is created through fire.

So using fire or light to "symbolize" God and other such notions, isn't overly helpful.

[1213]

...Also, any mention of "fire" is a way of symbolically speaking of utter destruction. So when you see fire mentioned, it symbolizes complete annihilation so that the person no longer exists.

Please explain why do you think so?

[JehovahsWitness]

They could not have originated the "fire" from hell, this seems to be a later addition to the Christian faith. Is there any information when the "Hell=fire" concept was incorporated into the Christian belief? Is it lalte Medieval or from the Renascence?

The idea of a "hellfire" of eternal agony and conscious suffering is most certainly imported to later "Christianity" from ancient greek mythology. This dogma was superimposed via fautly interpretation of a few Christian illustrations.

For a proper understanding of so called Christian "hellfire" texts, see below.

[JehovahsWitness]

KEY
1. Matthew 25:46 -> Matthew 25:46 everlasting punishment ot everlasting torture?
viewtopic.php?p=1105219#p1105219

2. Revelation 21:8 -> Matthew 21:8 : What is the "LAKE OF FIRE"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 66#p337866

3. Revelation 20:10 - >Revelation 20:10 : "tormented or a confined"
viewtopic.php?p=1048510#p1048510

4. 2 Thessalonians 1:9
5. Jude 1:12-13

6. Matthew 13:50 -> Matthew 13:50 : "Gnashing of teeth" for the living or the dead? Does the bible say the dead " gnash their teeth"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 21#p971121

7. Exodus 34:14
8. Hebrews 10:26-31

[JehovahsWitness]

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

BIBLE "HELL", THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

[Margrove]

They could not have originated the "fire" from hell, this seems to be a later addition to the Christian faith. Is there any information when the "Hell=fire" concept was incorporated into the Christian belief? Is it lalte Medieval or from the Renascence?

The idea of a "hellfire" of eternal agony and conscious suffering is most certainly imported to later "Christianity" from ancient greek mythology. This dogma was superimposed via fautly interpretation of a few Christian illustrations.

For a proper understanding of so called Christian "hellfire" texts, see below.

Thank you, however we see that Hades and Tartarus in Greek mythology are never mentioned in connection with fire, even if symbolic.

[Margrove]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2]

"Some say it was because Christians were being burned for their faith in that time and the teaching came as a way to show that those doing such things will themselves be on fire forever." "It seems the teaching came with a bundle of other foreign teachings that were not taught in the 1st century."
@2timothy316 very interesting, are there sources for that information?

[JehovahsWitness]

Thank you, however we see that Hades and Tartarus in Greek mythology are never mentioned in connection with fire, even if symbolic.

Yes but apostate Christianity merged the idea of conscious beings existing after death in a functuoning "underworld" with the inaccurate presumption that bible references to fire was to be interpreted as a "suffering" afterlife (rather than simple annihilation).

This "bastardization" of theology giving birth to what would eventually emerge a so-called "Christian" teaching.

[Margrove]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #6]

thank you for the insight about the false ethernal life promised by the Devil to Eve.