The real disciples of Jesus

[kjw47]

At Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his real disciples. It says (those taking the lead) will teach them( real disciples) to observe ALL that Jesus commanded.
That means they teach every single teaching without fail. That means the real disciples learn and apply every single teaching without fail.
Here is a super important teaching Every true follower already knows by heart---Matthew 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Matt 6)

So all can look at the ones taking the lead to see if they have Jesus and at self to see if they listen to Jesus. Because they have already taught Matt 6:33 just like above to the ones called the flock, don't you agree? Remember Jesus said-- I am the way, truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me.--The Father( YHWH(Jehovah) is the destination for every true disciple--To accomplish this 24/7-365--John 4:22-24
Do you do that?

[Miles]

Of the 63 Bibles I checked none said a thing about anyone taking the lead. Nor do any of them mention "real" disciples.

So, I'm wondering just what Bible you're using.

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Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

Yes, most of the Bibles I looked at do mention disciples, but none of them emphasize they are "real" disciples, implying there are, or may be, unreal (phony?) disciples roaming around.

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Have you never heard this verse?
"Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves." Matt 7:15

Or how about...

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves." 2 Pet 2:1

Or

"Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matt 7:22, 23

Not only are they just 'roaming around' the world but they started roaming around in the 1st century congregations. Eventually they outnumbered the real disciples. Today, they still do. Even those that are not religious or even believe in God see that many of those that call themselves disciples do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Not the point. My point is that kjw47 said: "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his real disciples," when none of the Bibles I checked have Matthew 28:19-20 showing anything of the kind: i.e. the verse never mentions "real disciples."

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[Eloi]

Not the point. My point is that kjw47 said: "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his real disciples," when none of the Bibles I checked have Matthew 28:19-20 showing anything of the kind: i.e. the verse never mentions "real disciples."

There are implications in the expressions ... Language 101.

Matt. 28:19 "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

He said: do this,
and later he said: I'll be WITH YOU.

Conclusion: the real Christians, the people Jesus will be with until the conclusion of the system of things, are the ones doing what he told them to do.

[2timothy316]

Of the 63 Bibles I checked none said a thing about anyone taking the lead. Nor do any of them mention "real" disciples.

So, I'm wondering just what Bible you're using.

.

Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

Yes, most of the Bibles I looked at do mention disciples, but none of them emphasize they are "real" disciples, implying there are, or may be, unreal (phony?) disciples roaming around.

.

Have you never heard this verse?
"Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves." Matt 7:15

Or how about...

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves." 2 Pet 2:1

Or

"Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matt 7:22, 23

Not only are they just 'roaming around' the world but they started roaming around in the 1st century congregations. Eventually they outnumbered the real disciples. Today, they still do. Even those that are not religious or even believe in God see that many of those that call themselves disciples do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Not the point. My point is that kjw47 said: "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his real disciples," when none of the Bibles I checked have Matthew 28:19-20 showing anything of the kind: i.e. the verse never mentions "real disciples."

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It doesn't have to have the word real in it. If you make a withdraw from a bank you simply ask for money. When asking you don't say 'real money' as real is already implied. You only need worry if the teller says, 'here is some false money'.

[Miles]

Of the 63 Bibles I checked none said a thing about anyone taking the lead. Nor do any of them mention "real" disciples.

So, I'm wondering just what Bible you're using.

.

Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

Yes, most of the Bibles I looked at do mention disciples, but none of them emphasize they are "real" disciples, implying there are, or may be, unreal (phony?) disciples roaming around.

.

Have you never heard this verse?
"Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves." Matt 7:15

Or how about...

"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves." 2 Pet 2:1

Or

"Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matt 7:22, 23

Not only are they just 'roaming around' the world but they started roaming around in the 1st century congregations. Eventually they outnumbered the real disciples. Today, they still do. Even those that are not religious or even believe in God see that many of those that call themselves disciples do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Not the point. My point is that kjw47 said: "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his real disciples," when none of the Bibles I checked have Matthew 28:19-20 showing anything of the kind: i.e. the verse never mentions "real disciples."

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It doesn't have to have the word real in it.

Perhaps, but it does, doesn't it. And I don't think anyone has a right to disregard a word just because they don't like it or that it may interfere with their theology. So, which is it with you? And why do you think you have a right to change what kjw47 said? Heck, even he can't change horses mid-stream without a good reason, and so far he hasn't presented any. So, as it stands the disciples he is talking about he qualifies as real disciples, something that Matthew 28:19-20 does not do or show.


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[2timothy316]

It doesn't have to have the word real in it.

Perhaps, but it does, doesn't it. And I don't think anyone has a right to disregard a word just because they don't like it or that it may interfere with their theology.

But you have the right to demand a word not be ignored but a word be added to scripture for the sake of yours? Though no one goes around adding 'the real _______' in normal speech when everyone already knows they are talking about the real thing.

KJW has to add real in their sentence today because there are more false disciples than real ones. As there are those that say they do what Matthew 28:19-20 says, but they do not.

[tam]

[Replying to Eloi in post #9]

Peace to you,


The ironic thing is that the men whom Eloi calls the brothers of Christ are the very ones who are not teaching the disciples they make to obey ALL the commands of Christ, every single one... as kjw47 lays out in his OP. In fact, the men whom Eloi calls the brothers of Christ are teaching their disciples that - for the most part - Christ is not speaking to them in the first place.

That is a very far cry from teaching the disciples to obey every single thing that Christ commanded (the apostles).


I cannot make anyone see that though. I can only point it out, hold all things up against Christ (the Truth and the Light), and then point to Him as the One to whom the Father told us to listen.



May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, so as to get a sense of this truth from the One who IS the Truth (Christ Jaheshua), and to also hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"


Peace again to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Miles]

It doesn't have to have the word real in it.

Perhaps, but it does, doesn't it. And I don't think anyone has a right to disregard a word just because they don't like it or that it may interfere with their theology.

But you have the right to demand a word not be ignored

Not "demand," but "expect,"

but a word be added for the sake of yours?

No I wouldn't, but when one has added a word it deserves explanation, don't you think? Kjw47 said that "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows . . . real disciples." when the verse shows no such thing.

Though no one goes around adding 'the real _______' in normal speech when everyone already knows they are talking about the real thing.

Well, for one thing, this isn't normal speech, but a Biblical verse we're talking about. A verse that says X when, in fact, it's said to show X+y. Think this is kosher? I don't.

Consider: What if kjw47 said: "Matthew 28:19-20--Shows who are the ones taking the lead who have Jesus and who are his false disciples."

Think it would be appropriate to ask why he added "false"? I do.

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[kjw47]

Of the 63 Bibles I checked none said a thing about anyone taking the lead. Nor do any of them mention "real" disciples.

So, I'm wondering just what Bible you're using.

.

Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

Yes, most of the Bibles I looked at do mention disciples, but none of them emphasize they are "real" disciples, implying there are, or may be, unreal (phony?) disciples roaming around.

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Thats true, 99% of all religion claiming to be christian do not listen to Jesus.

[kjw47]

Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

YESSSS.

Jesus said: "And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." (Matt. 28:20) ... with the ones doing that work, not with the wannabes nor with the imposters, nor with the enemies of his brothers. He clearly said:

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me. And whoever disregards you disregards me also. Moreover, whoever disregards me disregards also Him who sent me.”

He sent his brothers to continue his work and it is they who must be listened to and respected as sent by Christ. Jesus is not giving particular revelations to lone rangers who think they are prophets.

Matt. 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

And who are the ones doing that work, and with whom is Jesus to the end?

Not the tammies, that's for sure.

The work=Luke 10--Acts 20:20

[WinkyDinky]

Of the 63 Bibles I checked none said a thing about anyone taking the lead. Nor do any of them mention "real" disciples.

So, I'm wondering just what Bible you're using.

.

Matt 28:19--go make disciples.

Yes, most of the Bibles I looked at do mention disciples, but none of them emphasize they are "real" disciples, implying there are, or may be, unreal (phony?) disciples roaming around.

.

Thats true, 99% of all religion claiming to be christian do not listen to Jesus.

Who is the 1%?