YHWH

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:51 pm

Y - the hand
H - reveals
W - the nail
H - reveals

How is anyone that believes YHWH is God able to negate the evidence above that YHWH is Jesus?

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/je ... -is-yahweh

YHWH is the name above all names correct?

Philippians 2:9-11 says â€” Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Anyone want to directly confront both pieces of evidence?

marco · Post by **marco** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:36 pm

Wootah wrote:
You can easily do a little research on Hebrew and the pictograms behind each letter. This isn't made up after the fact, it's discovered in the light of the reality of Jesus.

I'm not disputing what the symbols mean; I am saying that picking up three words and relating them to Jesus proves nothing at all. Two words mean "look" or "behold" and they tell us nothing. Another word can mean a nail, while the third is hand. Of course we have Renaissance Art and so the picture of a crucified Christ, nailed by his hands, comes to mind. Now had there been a decent sample of words, a hundred say, we could try to eliminate coincidence and chance, but to build something on a couple of words is absurd. You'll recall that Peter was crucified as well, presumably with nails. Was he God? Or Andrew?

Sweeping the unjustified conclusion aside, if we at a stretch accept some link with Jesus, then it might show that Jesus, as he claimed, was touched by God. Desperation to deify Jesus is the sole reason for accepting this stuff as "evidence."

YHWH is the name of God. When the Father is in the scene He is YHWH, when the Son is in the scene He is YHWH when the Spirit is in the scene He is YHWH.

And when they are both on the scene? Jesus differentiates between the Father and himself. To make sense of monotheism, the Trinity inventors defined three persons in one God. All three have "godness" but YHWH is the specific title given to the Father whom Jesus identifies in the NT, and asks us to pray to. I accept that the Trinity leads folk into problems because of its mysterious nature but I think we know that Jesus did not part the Red Sea, nor did Jesus descend on the apostles at Pentecost. If we un-deify Jesus and the Holy Spirit the problem disappears - YHWH is the Father as Jesus recognised him to be. The best we can say about the nail and hand is that they are a vague coincidence. If you look long enough for mushrooms, you find them. It's possible to identify a bible code and from it find a prediction of Kennedy's assassination. This sort of thing fascinates folk.

tigger2 · Post by **tigger2** » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:12 pm

Yod (hand, work, throw, worship)
Hey (look, reveal, breath)
Waw (add, secure, hook [tent stake])
Hey (look, reveal, breath)

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/alphabe ... chart.htm

Y (worship) H (reveal) W (secure) H (breath) By revealing your worship you secure your breath (life).

The word for 'nails' itself (MSMR) does not even include a character meaning 'nail' or 'hook.'

M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
S (sharp, press, eat, two)
M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
R (head, first, top, beginning)

M (blood) S (eat) M (mighty) R (beginning) Eating blood is a mighty beginning. (except it is forbidden in God's Law.)

This method of 'translation' is as poor as that of the various numerology systems.

tigger2 · Post by **tigger2** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:38 pm

tigger2 wrote: Yod (hand, work, throw, worship)
Hey (look, reveal, breath)
Waw (add, secure, hook [tent stake])
Hey (look, reveal, breath)

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/alphabe ... chart.htm

Y (worship) H (reveal) W (secure) H (breath) By revealing your worship you secure your breath (life).

The word for 'nails' itself (MSMR) does not even include a character meaning 'nail' or 'hook.'

M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
S (sharp, press, eat, two)
M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
R (head, first, top, beginning)

M (blood) S (eat) M (mighty) R (beginning) Eating blood is a mighty beginning. (except it is forbidden in God's Law.)

This method of 'translation' is as poor as that of the various numerology systems.

I would like to apologize for my error above. When I saw the English letters for the Hebrew word for 'nails' (MSMR), I thought the 'S' represented the Hebrew character 'Sin.' However, upon further examination I found it really represented the Hebrew character 'Samech.'

So, my revision is:

The word for 'nails' itself (MSMR) does not even include a character meaning 'nail' or 'hook.'

M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
S, samech - (grab, hate, protect)
M (water, chaos, mighty, blood)
R (head, first, top, beginning)

M (blood) S (grab) M (mighty) R (beginning) grabbing blood is a mighty beginning. (except it is forbidden in God's Law.)

This method of 'translation' is as poor as that of the various numerology systems.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:42 pm

Even a cursory reading of the Bible reveals that YHWH is the only almighty God (Psalm 83:18, KJV), and Jesus himself says so. How can that be ignored?

John 17:3
John 20:17
Revelation 3:12

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Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:47 pm

The name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation". Jesus is a Jehovah's worshipper, as his followers after him.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:10 pm

onewithhim wrote: Even a cursory reading of the Bible reveals that YHWH is the only almighty God (Psalm 83:18, KJV), and Jesus himself says so. How can that be ignored?

John 17:3
John 20:17
Revelation 3:12.

Quite easily, it seems.

Just say Jesus said those things as the Son of Man, his fully human aspect.

But he is still fully God as well, of course!

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:15 pm

[Replying to post 16 by Checkpoint]

The next time the United Bible Societies makes a version of the Bible, they should make red when they think Jesus speaks as a man, and green when they think he speaks as a god ... to help their brothers and sisters. The simple idea is obscene to me ... Didn't Jesus know what he was talking about sometimes?

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:49 am

Eloi wrote: The name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation". Jesus is a Jehovah's worshipper, as his followers after him.

Yes of course. Jesus called Jehovah "my God" on many occasions. He certainly worshipped Him, as even his disciples realized.

John 20:17
Revelation 3:12
Mark 15:34
I Corinthians 15:24

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:45 pm

What do y'all think about the verses in the last post?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:20 am

Eloi wrote: The name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation". Jesus is a Jehovah's worshipper, as his followers after him.

I agree. I just can't understand why we don't call Iesous by his name which we all know as Joshua?

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