What did Christ Yeshua command us, part 1-Obey the Law

[brianbbs67]

I am compiling lists of what Jesus commanded us to do to follow him. They easily came under topics. The first I would like to explore is his command for all to follow the Law and Prophets. I used the four gospels only.

Here is Matthew:

5:14, 17-19 7:12-24 15:4-9 19:7 11:50 22:37-40 23:1-3

28:19-20

Mark:

1:44 7:8-13 10:2-12 10:19 12:29-31

Luke-Acts, 1:

4:4 4:8 4:12 5:14 8:21 10:26-28 11:28 16:16-18 16:29-31

17:10? 18:20

John :

5:45-47 6:45 7:19 8:17 10:34-38 14:15,21,23-24 15:10,25

These are verses where Jesus says follow the law or obey my commands. Which many of his commands were to uphold the Law. This list is not authoritative or probably fully complete. It came one evening as I read through the 4 Gospels completely and wrote down chapter and verse I says pertaining to the Law.

Looking at this alone. Why are we not following the Law that Christ told his followers to follow?

[showme]

Did Christ proclaim ALL is finished or it(his part) is finished?

That which is fulfilled is finished.


ALL the law was embodied in Christ so if he fullfilled all that which was embodied in him, doing his part, then *all* the law was fulfilled.

GALATIANS 3:24

Therefore the law was our [a]tutor to bring us to Christ - New King James Version (NKJV)

1 CORINTHIANS 1:20

for it is he who is the "Yes" to all of God's promises. This is why through Jesus Christ our "Amen" is said to the glory of God. - Good News Translation

Further, Jesus made it clear he was speaking about the entire law code by saying not the smallest letter of the law would go unfulfilled. His words made no implication of a partial fulfillement, ie Jesus didn't say he came to fulfill a part of the law. Further a partial fulfillement woild render his claim null and void. If a contracter promises to build a house and builds a house but fails to put in a roof he has not fulfilled his contract. He cannot point to the walls and say I kept a part of the contract. Jesus came contracted to keep the law, all the law perfectly. In doing so he fulfilled/completed it and it came to an end in its entirety (compare John 19:30).

MATTHEW 5:17

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill

JW


*Jehovah's Witnesses believe in using critical thinking skills in biblical analysis.; All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of JWs

I will ask , again. Have heaven and Earth passed? Has all of the law and prophets (predictions) happened? No, of course not.

Fulfill doesn't mean to end. That is a different word all together. I fulfill my marriage vow every day. Is my marriage ended? Certainly not.

How can something end which God himself said was perfect and forever? The new Covenant was the writing of the law upon our hearts. God's law, not man's tradition started by gentiles with itching ears.

Check out 2 peter 3:14-17. Peter agrees that Paul teaches the Law but is misunderstood by ignorant (gentiles) and unstable people who twist his words. And Acts24: 14 where Paul confirms again he teaches the law and prophets as his ancestors did. Once it is seen Paul is actually in harmony with Christ and Peter, it is impossible to unsee. If any scripture is not in harmony with the rest of scripture, then we either understand wrongly or the whole thing should be tossed out. In fact, Paul was never accused of teaching Christianity, he was falsely accused of NOT teaching the law. Or teaching the law has been changed. This would never pass the test in Duet 13 on how to judge a prophet or dreamer. God said His law will never change. So, is God now a liar? The front of the bible is key to understanding the back of the bible.

Peter was no friend of Paul (Galatians 2), and he was most probably dead when 2 Peter was written. As for who Peter was, he was "Satan" and a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:23), and the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 14:16-17), who would not feed, care or tend the sheep. At the "end of the age", both the "stumbling blocks" and those who "commit lawlessness" will be gathered and thrown into the "furnace of fire".

Actually many believe that Simeon, brother of Yeshua, wrote 2nd Peter as the writing is so similar to Jude, another brother of Christ. The true Heads of the Jerusalem Church were James the Just, Simeon(simon peter) and Jude. That is the actual succession of the office. After this time the temple fell and Rome did what it did and we have what we have. Something of partial truth, some say half-truth.

(Simon Peter), "Simon who was called Peter", was the brother of "Andrew", according to Matthew 4:18. According to Zechariah 11:16-17, Peter was the "worthless shepherd", who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep, but who would leave the "flock" (the lost sheep of the house of Israel). A stand in for the "steward" of the "royal household" who would shame "your master's house", "carve a resting place in the rock", and be "cast into a vast country/Rome" to "die". And whose successor, the pope, who also had the "key of the house of David", when "he opens no one will shut" will "in that day"/day of the LORD, "fall", and anyone hanging on to him will be "cut off". (Isaiah 22:15-25).

[postroad]

I am compiling lists of what Jesus commanded us to do to follow him. They easily came under topics. The first I would like to explore is his command for all to follow the Law and Prophets. I used the four gospels only.

Here is Matthew:

5:14, 17-19 7:12-24 15:4-9 19:7 11:50 22:37-40 23:1-3

28:19-20

Mark:

1:44 7:8-13 10:2-12 10:19 12:29-31

Luke-Acts, 1:

4:4 4:8 4:12 5:14 8:21 10:26-28 11:28 16:16-18 16:29-31

17:10? 18:20

John :

5:45-47 6:45 7:19 8:17 10:34-38 14:15,21,23-24 15:10,25

These are verses where Jesus says follow the law or obey my commands. Which many of his commands were to uphold the Law. This list is not authoritative or probably fully complete. It came one evening as I read through the 4 Gospels completely and wrote down chapter and verse I says pertaining to the Law.

Looking at this alone. Why are we not following the Law that Christ told his followers to follow?

Paul indicated that the old covenant was done away with.

New International Version (NIV)

18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Basically he states that righteousness could not come by the Law or it would have done so. That the promise was to the singular "seed Combined with his other belief that Jesus had died to the Law and been resurrected freed from it,so also where those who placed their faith in him.

It basically makes God into a liar but that's what it is.

[showme]

I am compiling lists of what Jesus commanded us to do to follow him. They easily came under topics. The first I would like to explore is his command for all to follow the Law and Prophets. I used the four gospels only.

Here is Matthew:

5:14, 17-19 7:12-24 15:4-9 19:7 11:50 22:37-40 23:1-3

28:19-20

Mark:

1:44 7:8-13 10:2-12 10:19 12:29-31

Luke-Acts, 1:

4:4 4:8 4:12 5:14 8:21 10:26-28 11:28 16:16-18 16:29-31

17:10? 18:20

John :

5:45-47 6:45 7:19 8:17 10:34-38 14:15,21,23-24 15:10,25

These are verses where Jesus says follow the law or obey my commands. Which many of his commands were to uphold the Law. This list is not authoritative or probably fully complete. It came one evening as I read through the 4 Gospels completely and wrote down chapter and verse I says pertaining to the Law.

Looking at this alone. Why are we not following the Law that Christ told his followers to follow?

Paul indicated that the old covenant was done away with.

New International Version (NIV)

18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Basically he states that righteousness could not come by the Law or it would have done so. That the promise was to the singular "seed Combined with his other belief that Jesus had died to the Law and been resurrected freed from it,so also where those who placed their faith in him.

It basically makes God into a liar but that's what it is.

Or it makes Paul a son of hell, whose message was the same message as the serpent/devil per Genesis 3:4, whereas, you can break God's commandments, and you "surely shall not die", but be turned from perishable to imperishable in a twinkling of and eye. It was labeled by Hitler as the "Big lie". Tell a big enough lie enough times, people will believe you. Sometimes you can over do the big lie, as "fake news" is finding out. But as Lincoln said, you can fool some of the people all of the time.

[JehovahsWitness]

Huh. I expected more debate on this hot button topic. Live and learn. This practice of Hebrew belief was how the church following the way of christ was founded and believed for about 200 years. Until Rome destroyed Jerusalem and co-opted the religion leaving us with what we have now.

Well I do believe first century Christianity was corrupted, Jesus I believe indicated that this would happening his illustration of the wheat and the weeds. But, and this is important, we Jehovah's Witnesses believe that true Christianity reemerged in the early part of the 20th century and that Christ is now gathering sincere seekers of truth together once more in preparation of the destruction of the system of things.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[showme]

Huh. I expected more debate on this hot button topic. Live and learn. This practice of Hebrew belief was how the church following the way of christ was founded and believed for about 200 years. Until Rome destroyed Jerusalem and co-opted the religion leaving us with what we have now.

Well I do believe first century Christianity was corrupted, Jesus I believe indicated that this would happening his illustration of the wheat and the weeds. But, and this is important, we Jehovah's Witnesses believe that true Christianity reemerged in the early part of the 20th century and that Christ is now gathering sincere seekers of truth together once more in preparation of the destruction of the system of things.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

The illustration of the "wheat and the weeds"/tares, weeds that look like wheat, is about the gathering out of the tares, "first", and burning, and then the putting the wheat into the barn. (Matthew 13:30). And that occurs at the 'end of the age". You seem to be out of order. As for mixing the tare seed with the wheat seed, that was done during the 1st century, with the "lawless" Paul, seeded his message of lawlessness, among the wheat seed/good seed, the word of the kingdom.

[JehovahsWitness]

Huh. I expected more debate on this hot button topic. Live and learn. This practice of Hebrew belief was how the church following the way of christ was founded and believed for about 200 years. Until Rome destroyed Jerusalem and co-opted the religion leaving us with what we have now.

Well I do believe first century Christianity was corrupted, Jesus I believe indicated that this would happening his illustration of the wheat and the weeds. But, and this is important, we Jehovah's Witnesses believe that true Christianity reemerged in the early part of the 20th century and that Christ is now gathering sincere seekers of truth together once more in preparation of the destruction of the system of things.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

The illustration of the "wheat and the weeds"/tares, weeds that look like wheat, is about the gathering out of the tares, "first", and burning, and then the putting the wheat into the barn. (Matthew 13:30). And that occurs at the 'end of the age". You seem to be out of order. As for mixing the tare seed with the wheat seed, that was done during the 1st century, with the "lawless" Paul, seeded his message of lawlessness, among the wheat seed/good seed, the word of the kingdom.

You are right, I didn't mention that the weeds are first gathered (which we believe Has happened) , then the wheat which we believe is happening now.


Thanks for pointing that out,

JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 13 by showme]

Jesus must also be part of this lie. He confirmed that the promise to Abraham was null and void.

Jesus indicated that his kingdom was not of this world. This would make God a liar.

[tam]

Peace to you!

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

He did fulfill the law. See definition C, here.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... lexResults

When did Christ command us the law was done away with himself?

Heaven and Earth remain. All the prophet's have not come to pass. So, not one Jot or tittle can pass from the law.

Did Christ proclaim ALL is finished or it(his part) is finished?

Okay, I have to ask a question about this. I know that elsewhere you (and others) have posted that the law can never pass away, and part (or most) of the reasoning used to support this is because God "is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow". Right?


So the verse under question is this:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.



My question is:

If nothing will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished, does that not mean that at some point, "even the smallest letter, the least stroke of the pen" HAS or WILL disappear?


If so, will/does that mean God has changed? Or might it simply mean that the law had a specific purpose (to be a guardian leading to Christ viewtopic.php?p=953581#953581), a purpose for which it had served, once Christ came?





Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[postroad]

[Replying to post 18 by tam]

Whatever promise God made that was attached to this earth was shown to be a lie from the moment he indicated that new heavens and a new earth were in store.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 19 by postroad]

Postroad, how does that respond to my post? How does that answer my question?


Also, if you want a proper response, you may need to elaborate on your statement. What was the promise, and how does a new heaven and earth make that promise a lie?



Peace again.