Divorce and Remarriage

[McCulloch]

I had a friend, a conservative Christian evangelist, who taught that for Christians, the only allowable reason to get a divorce, is for adultery.

[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ["]

If a Christian is divorced for any other reason, then in the eyes of God, it is not a properly constituted divorce. Since it is not a divorce, then the Christian who is not properly divorced is still married to his or her previous spouse and therefore not free to remarry.
So, if Jack divorces Jill, for a reason other than adultery, and subsequently marries Julianna, he is committing adultery with Julianna. He must separate from Julianna, treat her as a sister, until such time as he can divorce Jill for her adultery. If Jill has not remarried, or otherwise committed adultery, Jack is out of luck. Jesus told an adulterer to sin no more.
This is a particularly harsh teaching, but Jesus did not promise that repentance would always be an easy thing.
I have searched the New Testament for some other point of view, but it seems to me that this is the consistent application of teaching of Jesus.

Does anyone have any other Biblical teaching on this topic? Does Jesus allow remarriage for his followers in cases other than unchastity?

[McCulloch]

I honestly do not believe that Christ Jesus or the Father in heaven would expect nor want anyone man or woman to live with someone that made them unhappy in any way. Even though all marriages have their problems lost trust and faithfulness is often not able to be revived, after once losing it over an indiscretion of infidelity.

Do you have any biblical basis for that belief? The direct teaching of Jesus that I quoted seems to teach otherwise. If you were right, then Jesus would have said, "I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity or if living with that person makes you unhappy, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
actual words of Jesus in red.
You claim to be a follower of Christ, yet you appear to contradict his spoken words.

I know I was divorced because of this and the point is I probably should have never married in the first place. Yet believing as I do, that we learn by our mistakes and for every wrong decision we pay for it in much pain and suffering. And if we do not learn from the experience then we will tend to end up doing the same thing again and again never learning the lessons that all these things are supposed to give us a way to grow into mature responsible adults in the first place not to mention become as we are to be before leaving this life forever because what we leave behind ? Well that should have something to say for whom we were as a person and make a point and give glory to our Father in heaven right? Not forgetting that without him none of us would have this life in the first place would we?

I have to ask you, does what you practice and believe about divorce and remarriage come from the Bible or from your own experience? You say, "For my God, my Lord, my King, has already had it written said and ordained it." Do you follow the written revelations of God only when it is convenient for you and it agrees with what you already believe?

Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway.

Here, I would tend to agree with you. A loving Heavenly Father should not expect us to stay with an unloving mate. Now, if you would only show me where that is taught in the Bible, we would be done. Here, Paul seems to teach quite a different thing. He says that God says that the wife should not leave her husband. If they separate, he says that God does not want them to remarry.

But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Who should I accept as the authentic teachings of Christianity, Suzanne or Paul?

[1John2_26]

Suzanne wrote:
I honestly do not believe that Christ Jesus or the Father in heaven would expect nor want anyone man or woman to live with someone that made them unhappy in any way. Even though all marriages have their problems lost trust and faithfulness is often not able to be revived, after once losing it over an indiscretion of infidelity.
Do you have any biblical basis for that belief? The direct teaching of Jesus that I quoted seems to teach otherwise. If you were right, then Jesus would have said, "I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity or if living with that person makes you unhappy, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
actual words of Jesus in red.
You claim to be a follower of Christ, yet you appear to contradict his spoken words.
Suzanne wrote:
I know I was divorced because of this and the point is I probably should have never married in the first place. Yet believing as I do, that we learn by our mistakes and for every wrong decision we pay for it in much pain and suffering. And if we do not learn from the experience then we will tend to end up doing the same thing again and again never learning the lessons that all these things are supposed to give us a way to grow into mature responsible adults in the first place not to mention become as we are to be before leaving this life forever because what we leave behind ? Well that should have something to say for whom we were as a person and make a point and give glory to our Father in heaven right? Not forgetting that without him none of us would have this life in the first place would we?
I have to ask you, does what you practice and believe about divorce and remarriage come from the Bible or from your own experience? You say, "For my God, my Lord, my King, has already had it written said and ordained it." Do you follow the written revelations of God only when it is convenient for you and it agrees with what you already believe?
Suzanne wrote:
Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway.
Here, I would tend to agree with you. A loving Heavenly Father should not expect us to stay with an unloving mate. Now, if you would only show me where that is taught in the Bible, we would be done. Here, Paul seems to teach quite a different thing. He says that God says that the wife should not leave her husband. If they separate, he says that God does not want them to remarry.
Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the church of God which is at Corinth wrote:
But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Who should I accept as the authentic teachings of Christianity, Suzanne or Paul?

McCulloch,

You have openly declared your choice. You list what "you are." And, if you want to start a movement of strict adherance to Biblical truth being far more influential on serious social matters, please, count me in. If you want to NOT allow divorced people to marry, go for it son. I applaud "your return." I wish you well in your orthodoxy.

Though I believe "secular history" (as well) of many civilizations both great and small, may not agree with your Biblical orthodoxy taking lead over their laws. Marriage has always been between couples that could be dissolved in most societies. But, hey, you have a good point "Biblically." Truth is truth and facts are facts. Though please do not discard forgiveness and repentance "in context" in your zeal to elevate the importance of good marriages staying that way.

I would suggest that "if" you want to follow Paul's advice, you do it the way he writes about it. Peter was the first to acknowledge Jesus as "the" Christ. Peter denied Christ Jesus and let Him die without so much as a word coming from him to defend Jesus. I would say that history says what Peter and Jesus were "relationally" after Peter acknowledged his sins.

If I performed "marriages" as a Christian clergy, I would take your view as the correct "Biblcal" fact on the matter. (When you're right you're right).

If two people came to me to get married, they would have to submit to the Bible's authority on the facts of the matter.

"If" they were adulterers they would have to repent of their sins. No matter how many times they sinned. Well, maybe 490 sins. Then that's it. Off to the gallows.

Christ put Peter through a refining process called repentance. We are given just a glimpse of the interaction, but, enough to know that Biblical orthodoxy was being kept intact. I would extrapolate out from this interaction that denying Christ is probably a worse thing than divorce, but I may be wrong. I'll hold that out to further study.

Trust me, I know where you are heading with all of this. That is why I recognize the dire nature of the main subject I debate here at this website. Two wrongs making a right. That isn't exactly the whole repentance thing, but I must allow liberal theology the right to grow along with the wheat of orthodoxy. That's is the orthodox view on that.

It is also in keeping with the "returning" aspect of the Israelites to their God, that we must keeps things "in context" and perspective. Sinners "returning" to God are forgiven of whatever evil deeds they did.

How many "detestable practices" were committed by the "Kings of Israel and Judah?"

Let's look at Malachi from the Jewish Tanakh:

Malachi
Chapter 3

1 Behold, I send My messenger, and he shall clear the way before Me; and the L-rd, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to His temple, and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in, behold, he cometh, saith HaShem of hosts.

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? And who shall stand when he appeareth? For he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap;

3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver; and there shall be they that shall offer unto HaShem offerings in righteousness.

4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto HaShem, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers; and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith HaShem of hosts.

6 For I HaShem change not; and ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

7 From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from Mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto Me, and I will return unto you, saith HaShem of hosts. But ye say: 'Wherein shall we return?'

8 Will a man rob G-d? Yet ye rob Me. But ye say: 'Wherein have we robbed Thee?' In tithes and heave-offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with the curse, yet ye rob Me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in My house, and try Me now herewith, saith HaShem of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall be more than sufficiency.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your good, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your land; neither shall your vine cast its fruit before the time in the field, saith HaShem of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you happy; for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith HaShem of hosts.

13 Your words have been all too strong against Me, saith HaShem. Yet ye say: 'Wherein have we spoken against thee?'

14 Ye have said: 'It is vain to serve G-d; and what profit is it that we have kept His charge, and that we have walked mournfully because of HaShem of hosts?

15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are built up; yea, they try G-d, and are delivered.'

16 Then they that feared HaShem spoke one with another; and HaShem hearkened, and heard, and a book of remembrance was written before Him, for them that feared HaShem, and that thought upon His name.

17 And they shall be Mine, saith HaShem of hosts, in the day that I do make, even Mine own treasure; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

18 Then shall ye again discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth G-d and him that serveth Him not.

19 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts,t hat it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

20 But unto you that fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

21 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.

22 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

23 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

24 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Return to the Lord and He will heal you. Repent and He will remember your sins no more.

That is a very consistent message throughout the entire Hebrew or Christian Bible. Whether an Israelite (now called a Jew) or proselyte, whether a sinner or a saint.

Repent (return, turn around) and be cleansed.

Why alter the Word of God?

Of course "Satan" gives us a glimpse of how that is done:

"Is that what God really said?"

Seems Apologetics had its genesis in Genesis.

[McCulloch]

And, if you want to start a movement of strict adherance to Biblical truth being far more influential on serious social matters, please, count me in. If you want to NOT allow divorced people to marry, go for it son. I applaud "your return." I wish you well in your orthodoxy.

No, my goal, as stated in the OP is to find out what the authentic biblical teaching is on remarriage. I suspect that I am too old to be called your "son".

Marriage has always been between couples that could be dissolved in most societies. But, hey, you have a good point "Biblically." Truth is truth and facts are facts. Though please do not discard forgiveness and repentance "in context" in your zeal to elevate the importance of good marriages staying that way.

I have not intended to express zeal to elevate the the importance of marriage.

If I performed "marriages" as a Christian clergy, I would take your view as the correct "Biblcal" fact on the matter. (When you're right you're right).
If two people came to me to get married, they would have to submit to the Bible's authority on the facts of the matter.
"If" they were adulterers they would have to repent of their sins. No matter how many times they sinned. Well, maybe 490 sins. Then that's it. Off to the gallows.

In the case of remarriage where the divorce was without adulterous cause, what would that repentance consist of?
Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more." I would think that would mean that in that case, repentance is stopping living in the sinful relationship. No sex with your second wife, if marriage with that wife is adulterous according to Jesus words. Do we agree that is what is meant in the New Testament?

It is also in keeping with the "returning" aspect of the Israelites to their God, that we must keeps things "in context" and perspective. Sinners "returning" to God are forgiven of whatever evil deeds they did.

Right. An adulterer is forgiven his or her adultery according to Christian teaching when he or she approaches God requesting forgiveness. My question is, should they continue in sin. Or is it that God's forgiveness changes an adulterous relationship into a pure one? If I steal a car and then ask God for forgiveness, does that car then become mine?

I think that we are all aware that there are numerous places where the Bible teaches that God forgives repeatedly, those who have faith in Him. But thanks for pointing it out.

Return to the Lord and He will heal you. Repent and He will remember your sins no more.

What is repentance? Can a person say that he or she has repented but continue in that sin?

That is a very consistent message throughout the entire Hebrew or Christian Bible. Whether an Israelite (now called a Jew) or proselyte, whether a sinner or a saint.
Repent (return, turn around) and be cleansed.
Why alter the Word of God?

Absolutely. I am seeking for the authentic biblical teaching on this matter. If Christians are remarried, without having obtaining a divorce for unchastity, then they would need to repent (turn away from that sin and stop living in the adulterous relationship) and seek God's forgiveness.

[Suzanne]

I honestly do not believe that Christ Jesus or the Father in heaven would expect nor want anyone man or woman to live with someone that made them unhappy in any way. Even though all marriages have their problems lost trust and faithfulness is often not able to be revived, after once losing it over an indiscretion of infidelity.

Do you have any biblical basis for that belief? The direct teaching of Jesus that I quoted seems to teach otherwise. If you were right, then Jesus would have said, "I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity or if living with that person makes you unhappy, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
actual words of Jesus in red.
You claim to be a follower of Christ, yet you appear to contradict his spoken words.

I know I was divorced because of this and the point is I probably should have never married in the first place. Yet believing as I do, that we learn by our mistakes and for every wrong decision we pay for it in much pain and suffering. And if we do not learn from the experience then we will tend to end up doing the same thing again and again never learning the lessons that all these things are supposed to give us a way to grow into mature responsible adults in the first place not to mention become as we are to be before leaving this life forever because what we leave behind ? Well that should have something to say for whom we were as a person and make a point and give glory to our Father in heaven right? Not forgetting that without him none of us would have this life in the first place would we?

I have to ask you, does what you practice and believe about divorce and remarriage come from the Bible or from your own experience? You say, "For my God, my Lord, my King, has already had it written said and ordained it." Do you follow the written revelations of God only when it is convenient for you and it agrees with what you already believe?

Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway.

Here, I would tend to agree with you. A loving Heavenly Father should not expect us to stay with an unloving mate. Now, if you would only show me where that is taught in the Bible, we would be done. Here, Paul seems to teach quite a different thing. He says that God says that the wife should not leave her husband. If they separate, he says that God does not want them to remarry.

But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Who should I accept as the authentic teachings of Christianity, Suzanne or Paul?

HOW ABOUT believing THE LORD THAT HAS HAD THE BOOK WRITTEN FOR US ?????? YET IF WE DO ALL HE HAS SAID TO DO WE JUST MIGHT BE STILL SACRIFICING BULLS AND GOATS AND RAMS AND TURTLEDOVES AND PUTTING GRAIN AND FRUIT OFFERINGS DOWN AT THE ALTER OF STONE>>>> I believe that HE HAS GIVEN US the TEN LAWS. AND IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER WE WOULD KEEP ALL THOSE LAWS.. IF WE LOVED GOD WE WOULD KEEP THEM ALL EVERY ONE OF THE TEN .. BECAUSETO LOVE God. IS Y TO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER gods BEFORE HIM. BUT hey WHO LOVES THEIR MONEY MORE THEN THE LORD??? how many LOVE THEIR MATERIAL POSSESSIONS MORE THEN their LORD???? HOW MANY BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP OBJECTS OF WOOD AND STONE AND STATUES THAT SAY NOTHING SEE NOTHING AND REALLY HEAR NOTHING AND DO NOTHING AT ALL..BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD STATUES MADE WITH THE HANDS OF MEN OR WOMAN ???

PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOVE OF GOD AND KNOW HIS LOVE DO NOT PURPOSELY STEAL, LIE, MURDER ANOTHER PERSON, AND HURT OTHERS JUST FOR THE SACK OF CAUSING TROUBLE AND HURTING AND CAUSEING PAIN AND SUFFERING FOR ANOTHER .

NOW HOW MANY of the TEN COMMANDMENTS HAVE YOU BROKEN ??????????? BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WE ALL HAVEBROKEN ONE OR MORE>> OF GODS TEN COMMANDMENTS OF HIS LAW THAT WAS GIVEN MOSES IN THE WILDERNESS> SO YOU MY DEAR AND I MYDEAR ARE DISOBEDIENT SINNERS AND DESERVE DEATH BECAUSE SIN IS WHAT BRINGS TO ALL DEATH!!! FOR THAT IS WHAT GOD HAS HAD WRITTEN SAID AND HAS BEEN FAITHFUL TO FULFILL> WE ALL ARE SINNERS THEREFORE WE ALL DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR DO YOU DENY THAT YOU WILL DIE SOMEDAY??????? IF YOU CAN PROOVE THAT MANKIND DOES NOT EVER DIE AT ALL THAT YOU WILL NOT DIE AND YOUR BODY BE BURNED OR BURIED THEN OK DREAM ON.. BUT I GUAREENTEE YOU THAT SOMEDAY YOU WILL DIE A PHYSICAL DEATH OK?? BECAUSE OUR SIN WILL KILL US JUST AS IT HAS KILLED EVERY MAN AND WOMAN EVER SINCE ADAM DIED,, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BUT HEY YOU SAY what about CHRIST ?? WHAT ABOUT JESUS ??? WHAT ABOUT THIS WORD THIS TRUTH THIS GOSPEL????????? YA OK WHAT ABOUT IT??? TELL ME ABOUT YOUR AND MY LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONE THAT TOOK YOUR AND MY SIN SO YOU AND YOUR DESCENDANTS COULD HAVE LIFE ETERNALLY ???????? WELL TELL ME HOW DO THE DEAD DIE ???????????????? IF THEY DO NOT DIE IN CHRIST JESUS??? READ PLEASE Revelation 14;13: CANNOT DIE IN CHRIST JESUS IF YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED IN THE GOSPEL AND THAT IS THE SHED BLOOD OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE FIRST BLOOD SHED FOR YOU AND ME OR DO YOU WANT TO DENY THIS TRUTH OF THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THAT BEGAN WITH . IN THE BEGINNING GOD???????? THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST be with YOU ALL AMEN.

YOU MIGHT also GIVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE EARTH being suspended in HIS WHAT FIRST, SECOND, HEAVEN??? OR THE THIRD THAT IS MENTIONED OF BEING THE MAN IN CHRIST WAS LIFTED UP TO the 2Cr 12:2 THIRD heaven..

DISPROVE GOD TO ME , DISPROVE THE CHRIST JESUS TO ME, DISPROVE THAT SIN DOES NOT EXIST, DISPROVE TO ME THAT THE TRUTH CANNOT BE TOLD AND KNOWN. BY THOSE THAT KNOW THE WORD OF GOD IS A TRUTH FOR US ALL TO LIVE BY FAITH IN... THE BLOOD!!!!!!! THAT WAS HAS BEEN AND IS SHED ONCE FOR ALL JUST AS IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN SAID PREACHED AND TAUGHT??????? FOR I BELIEVE THAT I CANNOT EVEN TRACE BACK FAR ENOUGH TO COME TO MY FIRST ANCESTER UNLESS IT WOULD BE THAT FIRST MAN CALLED ADAM> AND THAT FIRST WOMAN CALLED EVE. AND THAT THEN BRINGS ME TO THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING GOD!!!!!!!!!!! SO PLEASE DO NOT call me a FOOL.. NOR CALL YOURSELF ONE EITHER????????????????
I DO NOT DEBATE the word of GOD . never have DISCUSS THE WORD. READ THE WORD, BELIEVE THE WORD.. THIS I HAVE DONE..

BUT DENY THE WORD >> SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED GOD IS.. and if you do then I am sorry really sorry about that.. OK????????????

[McCulloch]

Let me put it to you simply. You say that you believe that the Bible is the written word of the Creator God. This Bible, as I have shown, teaches that remarriage after divorce except divorce for unchastity, is the sin of adultery. Further, Paul teaches plainly that divorced people should not remarry. You say that you believe something different than what the bible teaches. You have said, "Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway."

Help me out here. You say that you believe the Bible, yet you teach that which is different from the Bible's teachings. Is there some teaching in the Bible on this topic that I have missed? Do you think that the Bible's teachings are wrong on this topic? Or were you just unaware of what the Bible really teaches about this?

[Suzanne]

Let me put it to you simply. You say that you believe that the Bible is the written word of the Creator God. This Bible, as I have shown, teaches that remarriage after divorce except divorce for unchastity, is the sin of adultery. Further, Paul teaches plainly that divorced people should not remarry. You say that you believe something different than what the bible teaches. You have said, "Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway."

Help me out here. You say that you believe the Bible, yet you teach that which is different from the Bible's teachings. Is there some teaching in the Bible on this topic that I have missed? Do you think that the Bible's teachings are wrong on this topic? Or were you just unaware of what the Bible really teaches about this?

Hebrews 13;4:-24: John 17;1:-26: Matthew 7;21-23:Luke 17;20:-37:

What is the WILL OF OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN?

BELIEVE ON THAT WHOM HE HAS SENT, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD. JOHN 6;29: KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, TWO. AS GIVEN BY THE MANIFESTATION OF THE WORD GOD THE FATHER. THE RISEN LORD JESUS CHRIST . WHOM HAS COME IN THE FLESH. LOVE GOD! and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. THESE TWO FULFILL ALL THE LAW and THE PROPHETS.

YET THE LAW ARE TEN .. BUT IF LOVING GOD < and LOVING OF YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF IS NOT DONE then NEITHER WILL SIN BE FORGIVEN BECAUSE YOU FIRST HAVE TO FORGIVE BEFORE YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN. I HAVE BELIEVED AND DO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS ALREADY TAKEN AND BORE MY SIN. ON A CROSS LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE OR EVEN MY ANCESTERS BACK CAIN AND ABEL... FOR CHRIST JESUS WAS ABEL TO BARE IT WAS HE NOT??????????????

ARGUEING AND FUEDING AND HAVING ANIMOSITY BETWEEN ANY TWO IS NOT A GOOD THING. BUT TO SLEEP AND LAY DOWN WITH THE HATERS OF CHRIST IS NOT A GOOD THING EITHER BUT YET WHO IS FOOLISH ENOUGH TO SAY IN HIS HEART THERE IS NO GOD?????????????? MANY IT APPEARS becauise to DENY THE SON . IS TO DENY THE WORD OF GOD and TO DENY THESE TWO is to DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM THAT IS PRESENT AND REAL IN MY LIFE THIS DAY AND THAT is a FACT I CANNOT DENY. EVEN IF YOU DO!!!!!!! OK??????????? ENOUGH SAID DONE OVER and OUT THE WORD is CLEAR AND IT WAS AND IS GIVEN TO YOU THIS DAY.. DENY IT OR RECIEVE IT AND HIM.. EVERYONE HAS CHOICES TO MAKE. TODAY IS YOUR DAY TO CHOOSE . have to go . GODS BLESSING BE UP ON YOU AND MAY YOU HAVE ETERNAL PEACE IN YOUR HEART ABOUT YOUR FAITH YOUR HOPE AND YOUR GOD ALMIGHTY IN JESUS NAME I PRAY AMEN.

[McCulloch]

Let me put it to you simply. You say that you believe that the Bible is the written word of the Creator God. This Bible, as I have shown, teaches that remarriage after divorce except divorce for unchastity, is the sin of adultery. Further, Paul teaches plainly that divorced people should not remarry. You say that you believe something different than what the bible teaches. You have said, "Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway."

Help me out here. You say that you believe the Bible, yet you teach that which is different from the Bible's teachings. Is there some teaching in the Bible on this topic that I have missed? Do you think that the Bible's teachings are wrong on this topic? Or were you just unaware of what the Bible really teaches about this?

Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

And Jesus said that those who are remarried are adulterers. Should they not repent?

I have read John 17:1-26 and Luke 17:20-37. I seem to have missed anything in the passages relevent to divorce and remarriage.

[Jesus said,]"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "

Aren't you at risk of being one of those who Jesus says practices lawlessness by teaching contrary to his own words as recorded in the Gospels?

What is the will of our Father in heaven?

Believe on that whom he has sent, this is the work of God. John 6:29 Keep my commandments, two. As given by the manifestation of the word God the Father. The risen Lord Jesus Christ who has come in the flesh. Love God! And love your neighbor as yourself. These two fulfill all the law and the prophets.

Is that all? We all have to wonder why Jesus wasted his time telling his followers about divorce and remarriage and why his followers wasted their time writing it down. Why did Paul give his instructions (not from him but from the Lord) about remarriage? Just believe in God and love your neighbour. No need to worry about anything else.

Yet the law are ten. But if loving God and loving of your neighbor as yourself is not done then neither will sin be forgiven because you first have to forgive before you can be forgiven. I have believed and do believe that Jesus Christ has already taken and bore my sin on a cross long before I was here or even my ancestors back Cain and Abel. For Christ Jesus was able to bear it was he not?

Forgiveness. I seem to be missing how this fits into the debate about divorce and remarriage. Is it the teaching of the writers of the Bible that when you are forgiven of the sin of adultery, that your previous marriages are annulled and that current adulterous marriages are sanctified?

Arguing and feuding and having animosity between any two is not a good thing. But to sleep and lay down with the haters of Christ is not a good thing either but yet who is foolish enough to say in his heart there is no God?

The apostle Paul had some advice on this issue.

But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Granted that he makes the point that this advice is from him and not the Lord, but perhaps it is worth looking at as a Christian, no?

Many it appears because to deny the Son is to deny the word of God and to deny these two is to deny the Holy Spirit baptism that is present and real in my life this day and that is a fact I cannot deny.

Now, you confuse me. If the Bible is God's word and you deny the plain teachings of the Bible, which you appear to do, then can I conclude that you deny the Son and the Holy Spirit baptism as well?

[Suzanne]

Let me put it to you simply. You say that you believe that the Bible is the written word of the Creator God. This Bible, as I have shown, teaches that remarriage after divorce except divorce for unchastity, is the sin of adultery. Further, Paul teaches plainly that divorced people should not remarry. You say that you believe something different than what the bible teaches. You have said, "Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway."

Help me out here. You say that you believe the Bible, yet you teach that which is different from the Bible's teachings. Is there some teaching in the Bible on this topic that I have missed? Do you think that the Bible's teachings are wrong on this topic? Or were you just unaware of what the Bible really teaches about this?

Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

And Jesus said that those who are remarried are adulterers. Should they not repent?

I have read John 17:1-26 and Luke 17:20-37. I seem to have missed anything in the passages relevent to divorce and remarriage.

[Jesus said,]"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "

Aren't you at risk of being one of those who Jesus says practices lawlessness by teaching contrary to his own words as recorded in the Gospels?

What is the will of our Father in heaven?

Believe on that whom he has sent, this is the work of God. John 6:29 Keep my commandments, two. As given by the manifestation of the word God the Father. The risen Lord Jesus Christ who has come in the flesh. Love God! And love your neighbor as yourself. These two fulfill all the law and the prophets.

Is that all? We all have to wonder why Jesus wasted his time telling his followers about divorce and remarriage and why his followers wasted their time writing it down. Why did Paul give his instructions (not from him but from the Lord) about remarriage? Just believe in God and love your neighbour. No need to worry about anything else.

Yet the law are ten. But if loving God and loving of your neighbor as yourself is not done then neither will sin be forgiven because you first have to forgive before you can be forgiven. I have believed and do believe that Jesus Christ has already taken and bore my sin on a cross long before I was here or even my ancestors back Cain and Abel. For Christ Jesus was able to bear it was he not?

Forgiveness. I seem to be missing how this fits into the debate about divorce and remarriage. Is it the teaching of the writers of the Bible that when you are forgiven of the sin of adultery, that your previous marriages are annulled and that current adulterous marriages are sanctified?

Arguing and feuding and having animosity between any two is not a good thing. But to sleep and lay down with the haters of Christ is not a good thing either but yet who is foolish enough to say in his heart there is no God?

The apostle Paul had some advice on this issue.

But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Granted that he makes the point that this advice is from him and not the Lord, but perhaps it is worth looking at as a Christian, no?

Many it appears because to deny the Son is to deny the word of God and to deny these two is to deny the Holy Spirit baptism that is present and real in my life this day and that is a fact I cannot deny.

Now, you confuse me. If the Bible is God's word and you deny the plain teachings of the Bible, which you appear to do, then can I conclude that you deny the Son and the Holy Spirit baptism as well?

NO The Bottom Line is This simple UNDENIALBE TRUTH.. THE WORD OF GOD is AND HAS been written BY MEN GIVEN TO THEM BY the VERY LORD HIMSELF TO HAVE IT WRITTEN BEFORE HIM... WITH GOD BEING THE ONLY GOD, ONLY FATHER , CREATOR OF ALL MANKIND, NOT TO MENTION ALL THAT HAS EVER EEN MADE OR EVER WILL BE MADE. EVER... FOR WITHOUT THIS CREATOR GOD LORD AND SAVIOR OF US ALL BEING MANKIND AND HIS CREATED EARH AND HIS CREATED HEAVENS. WELL SORRY TO BURST THE BUBBLE BUT THERE JUST IS NO END TO GOD , THE LORD, SAVIOR< KING of kings and LORD of lords and God of gods and HIS HOLY SPIRIT ... IS CHRIST JESUS GOING TO RETURN ABSOLUTELY I KNOW HE WILL FOR ME. BUT ONLY IN AND TO THE WILL OF THE FATHER GOD.. BECAUSE JESUS NEVER SAID OR DID ANYTHING THAT THE FATHER GOD HAD NOT ALREADY SAID AND DONE . THAT IS HOW THE ONLY BEGOTTEN COULD FOLLOW THE FATHERS LEAD AND GUIDENCE. JESUS IS THE RISENS CHRIST AND IT IS HE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER AND REDEMTIONM A SALVATION AND TO RECIEVE HIS BAPTISM ....... FAITH IS WHAT WE AS BELIEVERS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, NEW TESTAMENT< and the REVELATION BOOK WRITTEN BY JOHN THE ONE THAT JESUS LOVED... FOR THIS IS THE BOOK THAT REVEALS THE CHRIST JESUS TO US . HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING IN GENESIS AND HE IS ALSO IN THE END IN THAT BOOK OF REVELATION AND ALL INBEWTEEN IN THE PAGES OF THE O. & the N AND YES HE SHALL RETURN AND WHEN HE COMES HIS REWARD WILL BE WITH HIM FOR ALL THOSE THAT HAVE DONE THE WORKS OF THE LORD GOD THE WORD THE FATHER > I GUESS YOU JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ALL ONE LORD OME FAITH AND YES ONE N BAPTISM THE BAPTISM OF JOHN CAME FIRST BUT AFTER HIM CAME THE BAPTISM PROPHECIED AND PROMISED AND IS STILL BEING GIVEN SENT AND MANIFESTED TO DAY JUST AS IT WAS RIGHT FROM THE TIME OF THE BEGINNING OF HIS WORD BEING WRITTEN ACCORDING TO THE LORDS WILL AND NOT MANS OR ANYONE ELSES ALL FOR HIS WILL AND PURPOSES..

IN REVELATION it has been written Do not SEAL the PROPHESIES of THIS BOOK For the time is at hand. "He who is unjust let him be unjust still; he who is filthy , let him be filthy still; he who is righteous let him be righteous still: he who is holy let him be holy stilll.

"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward will be with Me, to GIVE ACCORDING to his work I am the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End, The First and the Last, I Jesus have sent My angel to testify these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, The Bright and Morning Star."

WHO WAS BEFORE THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD?????? IF GOD WAS IN THE BEGINNING THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD HAD TO BE WITH HIM FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH BEFORE GOD SAID ANYTHING AT ALL SUCH AS "LET THERE NE LIGHT" HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN HAD TO BE with THE FATHER GOD CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS , and THE EARTH. BEFORE HE EVEN SAID . "LET THERE BE LIGHT."
IT WAS GOD NONE OTHER THAT SAID!!!!!!!! SPOKE!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE HE WAS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE.. THE FATHER , THE WORD, AND HE IS SPIRIT. AND IT IS ONLY GOD THAT IS HOLY AND WORTHY TO BE WORSHIPED, PRAISED, AND LOVED BY ANY OF US. AND THAT INCLUDES ALL MANKIND!!!!!!!!!!

THERE HAD TO BE A WITNESS .. TO THE MESSIAH , THE PROMISED, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD... THE ONE WE HAVE READ ABOUT, HEARD ABOUT, BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT, AND THE HOLY SCRIPTURES HAVE BEEN WRITTEN AND GIVEN TO US ALL TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW HOW TO LIVE , IN WHOS REPORT WE SHOULD BE BELIEVING IN . AND WHO'S WORD WE SHOULD HEAR BEFORE ANY OTHER . THIS IS WHY THE LORD AND SAVIOR AND HIS WORD AND HIS TRUTH AND HIS KINGDOM AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE DENIED .... EVER>> BECAUSE HIS SPIRIT IS AND HAS BEEN FOREVER AND WILL BE FOREVER JUST AS HIS WORD AND HIS KINGDOM SHALL BE FOREVER AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN < SACRIFICED< AND SUFFERED FOR ALL MANKIND LONG BBEFORE YOU < ME < YOUR PARENTS< OR THEIRE OR THEIRS OR THEIRS OR THEIRS HOW FAR BACK TYOU WANT TO GO TO GET BACK TO WHAT AND WHO WAS IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE???????????? GOD OF HOSTS!!!!!!!!!! AND GOD HAS HOSTS OF ANGELS BEFORE HIM WORSHIPING AND PRAISING HIM JUST AS IT HAS BEEN ALREADY WRITTEN SAID DONE AND WRITTEN ...

WORSHIP IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

JOHN 4;23: "But the hour is coming and now is,when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. For the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God IS SPIRIT and THOSE THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST worship in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. "

THE FATHER, THE WORD, and the HOLY SPIRIT ARE THRE WITNESS IN HEAVEN and they are ONE.

THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT HAS COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. That is the Son of Man. THERE HD TO BE A GOD TO BE SON OF GOD, and THERE HAD TO BE A GOD BEFORE THERE WAS A MAN OR A WOMAN..

TO LIVE and BE ON THIS EARTH IN THIS FLESH and BLOOD BODY to BE THE kings, lords and Hosts of THAT WORD , that was FROM THE BEGINNING ...

THE JEWS, ABIDE BY THE LAW of MOSES AND THE WRITTINGS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. IT IS STILL TESTIYMONY FOR EVEN WE WHOM ARE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. NOT BORN of a JEW. BUT YET A child of THE KING . BECAUSE WE as BEING BORN AGAIN OF HIS SPIRIT that so many do not understand nor have as yet recieved BY FAITH ... THINK WE ARE CRAZY because we come with LOVE.. as GOD HAS LOVED.

Now McColluch ALL I can say is that I HEARD a WORD ,, AT the age of 4 or 5. I only know that this remeberance of this incident came to me AFTER many years of KNOWING THAT GOD is GOD. and KNOWING THAT it is HE and He alone that is OUR CREATOR.. FOR whether you agree with me or disagree with me I KNOW THAT THE TRUTH is TRUTH . and THE LIE IS that MAN KIND WILL NEVER DIE.. FOR ALL MEN AND WOMAN HAVE DIED WILL DIE AND SO ill YOU ME MY KYDS AND MY GRANDKYDS FOR ALL DIE SOMETIME .. NOW YOU CAN say anything you want to say about me and what I believe about this GOD , THIS WORD, THIS GOSPEL all you want to say for or against it. IT will never change the TRUTH OF HIS TRUTH not for me and not for anyone no matter how they try to deny or run away from it or forget it or not understand it or get it. BECAUSE sooner or later we all MUST COME TO UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT THE TRUTH of THE ONLY WAY .. IS THE ONLY WAY.

I nor none can FORCE YOU TO BELIEVE CONFESS ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE NOT BELIEVED IN AND DO NOT KNOW EXISTS. BUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD is REAL and does exist FOR EVERYONE whom HAS BELIEVED IN THEIR HEART THAT JESUS CHRIST OS LORD AND HAS RISEN AND LIVES TODAY IN THE HEARTS and MINDS OF THOSE THAT HAVE NOT DENIED THE HE IS THE FATHER THEWORD AND ALSO THE RISEN CHRIST AND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD THAT THE HEAVENLY FATHER HAS CREATED FOR US OUR FATHERS BEFORE US AND ALL THOSE THAT WILL COME AFTER US > FOR WE SHALL NOT BE HERE FOREVER . WE DIE.... IT is OUR SPIRIT THAT LIVES ON WITHIN THOSE THAT WILL CARRY ONE AFTER WE ARE GONE.

TESTAMONY!!!!!! I have much I could say about my life. and why I am who I am this day.. YET I KNOW without any doubt whatsoever that GOD IS GOD. and IF IT WERE NOT for this GOD CREATOR heavenly father THAT GAVE US THIS WRITTEN WORD t live by NONE OF US would have life or hope or faith in anything let alone in that we have yet to see.. again someday.. BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT the GOSPEL THAT HAS been written about of and is a reality in my heart MIND and life Is and HE WILL come again ... BECAUSE HE comes to us all in the end.. and we all have one in this life and this world and this physical life we now live.

IF I CANNOT BELIEVE that I HAVE BEEN A CREATION OF GOD , JUST AS ALL ARE BECAUSE ADAM AND EVE WERE AND MOSES WAS AND ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB WERE ARE AND IT IS ALL A TRUTH ??????????IF THERE be NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD then NONE OF US HAVE ANY HOPE IN ANYTHING TO EVEN HOPE FOR.. OR HAVE FAITH IN and OUR FAITH IS VOID AND ALL IN VAIN.. welll I have been THROUGH TO MUCH IN MY LIFE BUT NOT NEAR WHAT I HAVE SEEN OTHERS GO THRU. BUT I HAVE YET TO HAVE HAD TO SHED ALL MY BLOOD UNTO DEATH FOR ANOTHER. BUT JESUS CHRIST DID. ALL THOSE THAT HAVE DIED BEFORE ON THE BATTLEFIELDS OF THIS PLANET EARTH have GIVEN ALL THEY HAD TO GIVE TO MAKE AND KEEP THIS PEOPLE IN THIS LAND AND ON THIS EARTH AND ON THIS PLANET FREE... OUR FREEDOM IS IN HIM THRU HIM AND BY HIM...

YET I WOULD NOT SUGGEST YOU GO OUT AND PURPOSELY WILLFULLY OUT OF IGNORANCE OF WHO YOU ARE IN CHRIST TO LIE STEAL OR MURDER ANYONE YET MANY DO DO THEY NOT??? EVEN CONDONING THE MURDER OF THEIR OWN CHILD WITHIN THEIR BODIES ... AND THOSE OUTSIDE THE BODY THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BIRTHED INTO THIS WORLD AND LIFE THAT GOD HAS ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE WITHIN THEIR WOMB......THIS IS ONE THING THAT WOMAN DO and DRS DO that I WILL NEVER COMPREHEND OR UNDERSTAND. about people.. whether they be a man or a woman.. I CANNOT IMAGINE any woman that UNDERSTANDS THE TRUTH OF GOD ... TO COMMIT THE TAKING OF THE LIFE THAT IS WITHIN THEM.. HAVING BEEN BEGUN BY THE VERY GRACE AND WILL AND PURPOSE OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD> FOR ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS TO OUR LORD GOD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER.

I BEGAN SPEAKING IN THE SPIRIT "THE FIRESTORM IS COMING" 8 YEARS AGO. AFTER being BAPTISED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.. in 1997 THAT WAS in 1998. YET EVEN BEFORE THIS I had MADE my own Prophecy and it has and is coming to pass.. and GOD IS NOT YET FINISHED with me yet.. JUST AS I SAID on a day in 1995 JANUARY 11th. I TOLD MY SON; "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ME FOR GOD IS NOT DONE WITH ME YET." I not ever being a member of any church organization, UNTIL I began to go to CHURCH with a friend at the end of the year of 1996. I already had had a computer since Jan 2nd 1996 BY Febuary I was online speaking the word to anyone and everyone that would give ear to hear and listen . MOST HAVE NOT DONE anything but tell me how to talk, how to post, how to type, and how to speak, NOT ever listening to what I have been saying at all.. FROM that time as a little girl that heard a word. and to this day I cannot tell you what I heard BUT I DO KNOW IT WAS ABOUT GOD !!!!!

Being a believer by faith in MY LORD THY GOD ALMIGHTY. TRULY ALL MY LIFE I have SOUGHT HIS REALITY AND TRUTH IN what HE HAS SAID and done FOR ME AS WELL AS for all..

THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT ABOUT ME is that I am BOLD ENOUGH HONEST ENOUGH TO SPEND TEN YEARS in here.BECAUSE I BELIEVE GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT has allowed n me to have this COMPUTER FOR ONE REASON. to speak as HE GIVES MT TO SPEAK ACCORDING TO WHAT OTHERS SAY IN THE FORUMS HE SENDS ME INTO.

DID I JUST GO OUT and PURCHASE MY FIRST COMPUTER BECAUSE GOD TOLD ME TO??????? NO!!!! BUT GOD GAVE ME THE THOUGHT TO QUESTION ABOUT GETTING ONE. yet when I mentioned getting one. at Christmas time 1995. I WAS TOLD; "YOU DO NOT NEED ONE. What would you do with one. You have no need for one. and YOU know nothing at all about them. " SO I said OK.. Your probably right. FIVE DAYS maybe later. I get an ad in the mail with a COMPUTER ON SALE AT RADIO SHACK. I READ THE AD, CALLED THE STORE, WENT TO THE STORE BECAUSE the SALESMAN SAID HE WOULD KEEP HOURS UBTIL I GOT THERE TIME OF CLOSING WAS 7 PM. I GOT THERE ABOUT TEN AFTER. WENT HOME WITH THATCOMPUTER having said "NO, I am not interested on gettig online.'
YET three weeks and I was online and two weeks later I had my first CHRISTIAN WEBSITE up and running. NEVER WENT TO COMPUTER SCHOOL, NEVER READ ANY OF THE BOOKS THAT CAM WITH IT. JUST TRIAL AND ERROR AND SEARCHING FOR INFO ON HOW TO DO what I was n being GIVEN and lead to do. BY NO ONE BUT THY LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. THIS BEFORE CHURCH IN A SO CALLED HOUSE OF GOD BUILT WITH THE HANDS OF MEN!!!! AN ORGANIZED RELIGION CALLED "FIRST UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH OF PEORIA,, " HAVING A PASTOR and assisitant pastor that believed in THE BAPTISM of the HOLY GHOST BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT BAPTISM. BECAUSE THIS IS what IS WRITTEN OF and IS REAL AND PRESENT WITHIN THE HEARTS OF MEN AND WOMAN EVERYWHERE THAT HAVE BELIEVED , HAVE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, CALLED THE CHRIST JESUS of which the GOSPEL HAS been GIVEN FOR TO AND IS OUR ONCE FOR ALL SACRIFICE AND IT IS WRITTEN OF HIM IN THE OLD TESTAMENT , THE NEW TESTIMENT, AND REVEALED TO US IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION..

I KNEW GOD ALL MY LIFE because OF A WORD I HEARD IN A SANCTUARY ASA CHILD OF 4 or 5... NOT rememebering thisexpierence of being in the outer area of the Sanctuary with my GRANDMA, trying to make me go into the basement with my aunt whom was the SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER. and I KICKED, SCREAMED, AND FOUGHT TO not GO. FINALLY MYGRANDMA just SAID ; SUZANNE! WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO. " I rememebered this one day after being at church wondering what testimony i have as I never was saved from DRUGS, DRINK, OR ANY OTHER THINGS THAT I HEARD people stand up and confess about BEING SAVED FROM. YET.. THESE same people every WEDNESDAY and ON SUNDAYS ALTER CALLS would pray and ask and lament over their sins.. THESE were people that had been members of this CHURCH EVER SINCE IT WAS BUILT and was a CHURCH BUILDING. having been WATER BAPTISED years before no doubt.. ABIDING BY all sorts of DO NOT'S. YET all these do not's I had never understood as being bad to do. I CUT MY HAIR, WORE LIPSTICK and POWDER and I had not been STRUCK DEAD because of it. IN TRUTH I HAD had a really pretty good life for the most part. and I just could not understand some of the teaching so I would go home and look up answers in the SCRIPTURES FOR THE QUESTIONS I HAD COME UP BECAUSE OF THE WORDSBEING TAUGHT OVER THAT PULPIT. all the while BEING ASKED and PREACHED TO ABOUT HAVING TO BE BAPTIZED BY WATER. SO I COULD BE BAPTISED WITH THIS HOLY GHOST BAPTISM. I had heard about HOLY ROLLERS, and HOW PEOPLE ACTED FUNNY IN SOME CHURCHES CALLED THOSE HOLY ROLLER CHURCHES. WELL I HAD many questios not about GOD BEING REAL .. OR MY CREATOR. BUT ABOUT THIS JESUS , THIS CHRIST, THIS BAPTISM , AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE I HAD NEVER BEEN BAPTISED BY WATER . CALLED JOHNS BAPTISM. OF REPENTANCE.. YET I WOULD NOT BEBAPTISED BY WATER. why??? BECAUSE I DID NOT want to for one thing BECAUSE I did not appreciate being told I had to be baptised in water by this an pastor just to prove to all of them I WAS worthy and saved. YET I DID NOT KNOW what the TRUTH WAS about water baptism either . so I searched the WORD OF GOD TO FIND THE ANSWER ABOUT BAPTISM OF JOHNS WATER BAPTISM. WELL I DISCOVERED JESUS CHRIST HAS ALREADY FULFILLED THIS ALSO BECAUSE HE AND JOHN HAS ALREADY FULFILLED RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR ME AND ALL THAT BELIEVE IN HIM HIS WORD HIS FATHER HIS TRUTH.. AND WE WHOM HAVE BELIEVED HAVE A BETTER BAPTISM. A BETTER HOPE and a BETTER TO HOPE FOR. SO IT WASSOON AFTER I ACTUALY GOT SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT LAID UT FLAT IN THE AISLE.. I HAD NO CHOICE. EXCEPT I MADE A CHOICETO GO FORWARD ONE NIGHT TO GET HEALED OF A SORE ACHING NECK and SHOULDER. I HAD WOKE UP WITH THAT MORNING AND IT HAD NOT GOTTEN ANY BETTER ALL DAY. WELL BEING JUST ONE OF maybe ten to fifteen people in the row. THE VISITING PASTOR A HEALING by the laying on of hands came over to me . asking me what the pain was and where. told him he moved to the end of the line to the right of me and started asking and finding out each ones complaint. THEN he came back to me the first hehad approached. and said " DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST. asbeing the CHRIST the ONLY begotten SON OF The LIVING GOD AND FATHER? " I said "Yes" then "Are you ready to RECIEVE your healing?" I said yes; NOW this was all absolutely new to me I had never been up and doing anything like this before although I haduttered unknown utterances before at home during prayer and also while praying in the Church during services. these I was to hear and read about in SCRIPTURE as A LANGUAGE becauseof the SPIRIT within us. BUT I had never fallen out like alot of them had or come over with dancing or shaking. Just the utterances.. perodically.. WELL SURPRISE.. was coming.. THE pastor had me raise my arms to worship and give thanks to the FATHER. HE atthe same time reach around me laying his hand on my neck and DOWN I WENT. I ended up in the aisle about three and a half foot back from where I had been standing not sure how I got that far back. I do not know how long i layed there . BUT I was laying with my arms out just like children do when they lay in the snow to make angel wings in the snow. my body outstreched and thinking about it and seeing myself lat ying there it was like a CROSS NOT UNUSUAL REALLY . if you are being and have been slain in the Spirit . WHEN YA THINK ABOUT IT . :):)The thing is I was aware of speaking in an unknown tongue, SEEING atone point the PASTORS wife looking down at me with a big smile on her face. It had just starting at my feet being lowed into a warm bathtub of waer OH IT REALLY FELT wonderful it was like soaking in a tub of warm water. I finallythought i ned to get up.. SO I was going to move my arms and get up BUT I could not lift my arms off the floor. I tried but they just would not budge SO I just layed there for a few seconds and one of the brothers came to help me up.. SINCE then it has been one thing and then another thru the years that I have expierenced. THAT I CANNOT and will not DENY THAT GOD ALMIGHTY O IS MY GOD CREATOR and that JESUS CHRIST IS REAL and HE IS PRESENT IN MY LIFE . NOW!!!!!! FOR ANYONE THAT CANNOT believe me and MY TESTAMONY OF MY LORD AND SAVOIOR CREATOR AND THE FATHER THAT IS IN HEAVEN FOR US ALL> TO LOVE AND KNOW....

i cannot help anyone that does not want to believe TRUTH WHEN IT IS REVEALED and told to them by those that come giving WITNESS to THE WORD OF GOD WE ALL HAVE available to us to have . BELIEVE IN and KNOW because HE IS OUR ONE LORD , ONE FAITH, and THERE IS ONE BAPTISM TO RECIEVE BY ANY AND WHOEVER CAN HAVE EARS TO HEAR as I did as a child OF 4 or 5 and CAN BELIEVE BY FAITH . and just recieve that truth that is present and real in our lives .............

AND YES I DO believe that EVERY KNEE WILL BOW ANDKNOW HE IS LORD . EITHER BEFORE THEY ARE OUT OF THIS LIFE OR AFTER. BUT BOW THEY WILL IN THE END.. AND I DO NOT MEAN TO SOME MAN CALLED A KING OF ENGLAND OR A QUEEN OF ENGLAND OR A POPE IN ROME OR ANY OTHER MAN THAT IS JUST A MAN OF FLESH AS WE ALL ARE. NO WE MUST BOW SPIRITUALLY TO HIM BY BELIEVING IN THE GOSPEL THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY OUR LORD THY GOD HE OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN AND HE IS WORTHY TO BE PRAISED ... and so I do... daily every morning I thank GOD FOR ANOTHER DAY in HIS WORLD HE HAS created and given us all to have this LIFE WE HAVE NOW TO LIVE. and do I believe in a HELL AND A HEAVEN AND A LIFE AFTER THIS LIFE I NOW LIVE IS DONE. OH YES I most certainly do. I HAVE NO REASON TO NOT believe IN HEAVEN , HELL, OR ANYTHING ELSE GOD HAS ALREADY SAID and done so far in my life . HE HAS been faithful to me aboit all He has said about me and HIM and what He would do... and he has.. BUT HE IS NOT DONE with me yet and I thank HIM FOR THAT. FOR 66 years ago on the 26th Of this month I came into this world by the GRACE AND MERCY OF GOD ALMIGHTY. FOR I COULD VERY WELL HAVE DIED and MY MOTHER THAT BIRTHED ME COULD HAVE VERY WELL HAVE DIED ALSO .. LEAVING MY BROTHER AND SISTER AND OUR DADDY WITHOUT A WIFE.. BUT IT WAS NOT meant to be FOR GOD KNOWS US ALL BETTER THEN KNOW OURSELVES.. IT is ONLY GOD THAT gives US LIFE and IT is HE THAT will TAKE MY LIFE.. THE WORD IS TRUE. WHATCAN MAN do to me or any of us that HAVE CHRIST JESUS AND HIS BAPTISM AND HIS MERCY AND GRACE AND HIS LOVE. WITHIN OUR HEARTS MINDS AND SOULS. NOW IF GOD wanted me to never marry I WOULD NOT HAVE MARRIED THE FIRST TIME. IF GOD WANTED ME TO BE ALL ALONE all these years He would have made it so . I HAVE no REGRETS about what GOD has done in my life. Many die with REGRETS. because they never get to a place they know they are supposed to be. I KNOW who I am in CHRIST . and I also KNOW GOD IS GOD... and I AM NOT GOD and neither are you or any man or woman GOD ,, YET HE IS THERE FOR WHOSOEVER IS WILLING TO BELIEVE IN THAT WHOM HE HAS SENT.. AND like the SONG says "HE SENT HIS SON ,, HIS NAME IS JESUS.. HE SHED HIS BLOOD. FOR ME."

IF you are not able to believe in CHRIST JESUS.. THE MASTER can make HIS SERVANT STAND.. IT HAS been written that EVERY KNEE will bow and KNOW HE IS LORD. THE CROSS must be FACED ... BEFORE any can get through to the other side.. IT ALL began FROM the foundation of the world.. 8 years ago.. I was baptised with the BORN AGAIN EXPIRENCE. OF THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST.. NONE will never be able to tell me that GOD THE HEAENLY FATHER HAS NOT ORCHASTRATED AND ORDAINED MY LIFE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING BEFOREI WAS HERE THIS MORNING. IT IS 1 am in the morning and a new dawn will be coming ... the day is a new day for me if you are still in the day before this one I PRAY YOU SEE the day I am now in. FOR TIMES ARE different for many. Some DAYLIGHT SAVINGS time and some STANDARD , CENTRAL , PACIFIC, MOUNTAIN, SPRING, SUMMER FALL AND WINTER.

WE are regulated by TIME and SEASONS.. BUT WITH GOD HE HAS NO TIME OR SEASONS. FOR MY PORD GOD I AN ALL TIME GOD .. HE REALLY ANSWERS WHEN WE CALL. EVEN MINISTERS AND PASTORS AND REVERANDS DO NOT ALWAYS ANSWER WHEN WE CALL . THEY HAVE ANSWRING MACHINES and THEN THEY DO NOT ANSWE THE MESSAGES LEFT FOR THEM TO SEE what YOU WANT.. KIND SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT WE ARE TO THEM HUH???? and as for those BUILDINGS THAT ARE CALLED CHURCHES???? WELL one time many years ago whe My second husband wa really seeking a place to just be with GOD . BECAUSE HE WAS so in need of JUSTGING AND BEING somewhereWHERE HE REALLY FELT was NEEDED TO BE CLOSE and get peace and answers. HE WENT TO A CHURCH BUILDING in the town where we lived. I was unaware of this and did not hear about it at all until one time muv ch later in having a discussion with him about faith and God. and he revealed to me THAT he wentto GET HELP from a PLACE because HE really needed to get help SO HE WENT TO A CHURCH. but It was locked up and no way to get in to see anyone. LOCKED OUT LOCKED DOORS.. GOD HAS NO LOCKED DOORS.. TO ANYONE THAT COMES CALLING ON HIM..

I grew up in a home where we never had our doors locked. and the door was always answered .. and the phone also.. TO THIS DAY the only time I lock my door is when I am gone. AND when anyone knocks I answer the KNOCK I also answer my phone .. WITH CALLER ID I do not answer salesman calls.. I HAVE A HARD time saying NO.. BUT I AM LEARNING..

YET IF I spent money on every sales pitch I get I guess I would be BROKE and have nothing at all .. FOR WE ALL need money to live in this world right??? Not only that IF we do not have any abudence and have only what we need we cannot help another either can we. YET EVERYBODY IS AGAINST people having RICHES IN MONEY. well TAKE MONEY TO HELP MANY . SO I DO NOT BEGRUDGE ANYONE THAT HAS MONEY specially ONES THAT ARE USING IT TO DO what they can to help others .

AND I DO NOT CARE IF THEY ARE NES CALLED CRAZY HOLY ROLERING BOR AGAIN CHRISTIANS BELIEVERS IN CHRIST JESUS FOR I AM ONE. and it is not a bad place or a bad way to be . IF YOU DO NOT WANT IT fine deny him his word and his BAPTISM . YOUR CHOICE .. GOD GAVE ADAM HE STILL DOES IT TODAY. HE GIVES US ALL CHOICE... WE can choose TRUTH or lies .. I HAVE told you my TRUTH AND MY TESTIMONY what is YOURS???????????????? I do not debate GOD and HIS TRUTH OR HIS WORD.. I JUST SPEAK WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUTH ABOUT HIM.......

[McCulloch]

Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway.

[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ["]

But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

The word of God is and has been written by men given to them by the very Lord himself to have it written before him.

Here are four quotes. The first one is where Suzanne says that the Heavenly Father approves of divorce. The second one is where Jesus condemns divorce, giving only one exception to that prohibition. The third quote is from the early church leader and apostle Paul restating the condemnation of divorce and also condemning remarriage.
The final quote is where Suzanne states that the second and third quotes are from the Lord and should be followed. Yet in the first quote, Suzanne has clearly stated that she does not believe what the Bible teaches about divorce and remarriage.

[Suzanne]

Does the Heavenly Father expect us to stay with an unloving mate, No! And any mate that is not willing to love and be faithful is not worth having as a mate anyway.

[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ["]

But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

The word of God is and has been written by men given to them by the very Lord himself to have it written before him.

Here are four quotes. The first one is where Suzanne says that the Heavenly Father approves of divorce. The second one is where Jesus condemns divorce, giving only one exception to that prohibition. The third quote is from the early church leader and apostle Paul restating the condemnation of divorce and also condemning remarriage.
The final quote is where Suzanne states that the second and third quotes are from the Lord and should be followed. Yet in the first quote, Suzanne has clearly stated that she does not believe what the Bible teaches about divorce and remarriage.

I never said it is not taught and written and said about divorce and marriage it is mentioned in several places marrying and marriage and how when and why and so forth.