Will Israel ever accept Jesus Christ as it's Messiah?

[Elijah John]

Will Jews collectively, (Israel), ever accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah? This is what Paul predicted, and what so many Evangelicals seem to hope for.

Is there any evidence that this will happen?

Why would any devout Jew accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, or their "personal Lord and Savior"?

[polonius]

Will Jews collectively, (Israel), ever accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah? This is what Paul predicted, and what so many Evangelicals seem to hope for.

Is there any evidence that this will happen?

Why would any devout Jew accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, or their "personal Lord and Savior"?

RESPONSE: Probably not since Jesus do not fulfill the messianic prophecies found in the Old Testament

[tam]

Peace to you Marco,

Yes. Interestingly enough, the very verse that jw used to state that this will not happen, is the same verse that states this will happen.

You will not see me again UNTIL YOU SAY, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord".

There is some beautiful music composed around the Benedictus Qui Venit ..... but one needs very special pleading to impose a very special meaning on these unexceptional words.


Psalm 118: joyfully states:

let us rejoice today and be glad. 25LORD, save us! LORD, grant us success! 26Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD. From the house of the LORD we bless you. 27The LORD is God, and he has made his light shine on us. With boughs in hand, join in the festal procession up to the horns of the altar. 28You are my God, and I will praise you; you are my God, and I will exalt you.


As is usual bits from Scripture are refashioned to give the impression of prophecy. They are often placed on the lips of Christ. What this has to do witb Israel accepting Jesus is not clear.

I was not thinking about this phrase being scripture (or even prophecy) from the OT when I responded. It is simply what Christ said, and so it will happen. I should also make clear that just because they SAY this of Christ, that does not automatically mean that they are Christian. But they will say of Christ at some point before He returns, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[William]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Will Israel ever accept Jesus Christ as it's Messiah?

Hilarious.

Israel won't even allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect their (alleged) nukes and treats the world as something other than itself.

Those in the nation who are looking for their messiah are not looking and have never looked at Jesus as being the one. If they did they might have to change the way they currently handle Palestinians.

Nope. What they want in a messiah is someone who can exert the permanence of their attitude into the world and keep that world a separate entity from Israel.

Separate and by all impressions, inferior.

Certainly historically Christians have not being nice to Jews, so it is hardly likely Israel will bend to the Christian idea of messiah because they are a people who do not forget - fair enough - but also do not forgive, or find ways of solving issues with their enemies which require the ingredient of forgiveness.

They tolerate Christians who support them, but only as a matter of opportunity to further their own agenda (re their messiah) and any christian country willing to give them lots of money isn't going to be openly scorned for that...and will even be labeled a 'friend'...but Israel is not about to become a member of the rest of the world because they view themselves as 'a people apart' as is clearly demonstrated in their lack of cooperation in being accountable and transparent, just like their idea of GOD behaves.

eta; the above is not 'anti-semetism' it is simply narrative of actual events. I for one would welcome any real effort Israel might do to 'be the bigger man' in relation to the middle east conflict, as I wrote about in my essay;

Israel and Palestine.

Is there an amicable solution or is that not really part of either agenda?

[marco]

Is there an amicable solution or is that not really part of either agenda?[/url]

Israel gets a bad press certainly, all credit to Hamas that deliberately puts kids and schools and rocket bases together and often prevents people from escaping, when Israel has given its triple warning of an attack to destroy rockets.

Israel looks after her own interests and does so very well, as she did when she rescued her hijacked citizens from the insane Idi Amin of Uganda - suffering condemnation - ludicrously - for invading Ugandan airspace.


There seems no reason why Israel, or more correctly Jews, should accept Jesus as anything special. Those closest to the situation at the time regarded Jesus as a fake, so why should opinion change in the obscurity of millennia? If they are God's chosen then it is no great favour to be favoured by God.

[William]

[Replying to post 14 by marco]

My post was to point out the absurdity of ever thinking Israel gives a toss about how the rest of the world thinks and believes, let alone converting to Christianity and embracing Jesus.

She will and does do as she pleases
In that, she has no need for Jesus.
She already serves her many-named god
With an iron fist and and iron rod

And if indeed her messiah stays absent
She has the option of invoking Samson.

[marco]

My post was to point out the absurdity of ever thinking Israel gives a toss about how the rest of the world thinks and believes, let alone converting to Christianity and embracing Jesus.

We are receiving different messages then. Though she was aware she was going to be attacked in the 6-day war, she waited, lest she be seen as the aggressor. It made no difference. When her citizens were threatened with death, as hostages, her ministers agonized over what to do and when to do it, aware that whatever she did she would incur criticism. She refrained from sending assistance to her athletes in Munich, trusting Germany to prevent the massacre that did take place. She has learned from experience to help herself, and does so very well.

If Mexico daily sent rockets into America, what would America do? And what do we expect Israel to do?

It would be a triple miracle if she relied on Jesus as her Messiah. He got her the reputation of God-killer.

As a Christian boy I sang a hymn about the crucifixion:

"See how patiently he hangs
While soldiers mock and Jews deride."

[William]

[Replying to post 16 by marco]

We are receiving different messages then. Though she was aware she was going to be attacked in the 6-day war, she waited, lest she be seen as the aggressor. It made no difference. When her citizens were threatened with death, as hostages, her ministers agonized over what to do and when to do it, aware that whatever she did she would incur criticism. She refrained from sending assistance to her athletes in Munich, trusting Germany to prevent the massacre that did take place. She has learned from experience to help herself, and does so very well.

None of which I argued specifically against. Except to note that this alleged 'agonizing' as to what the world would see her as, is not that apparent when considering her ongoing actions throughout the years.

If Mexico daily sent rockets into America, what would America do? And what do we expect Israel to do?

Did you actually even read my essay? The idea I was presenting is that two evils are two evils, not one evil is better than the other and one should be expected to take sides.

The link to the essay was simply to underline the idea that Israel is in the better position (as is America re Mexico - or the rich re the poor) but that Israel will do things the way She wants to, regardless of how the world would want to see her do things differently, and that ultimately - when it comes to a messiah, should one come which Israel would consider to 'be the one'. then that messiah will tow the line as to what Israel wants and demands, or will be considered just one of the hundreds of false messiah's because this is how Israel judges through the lens of Her criteria and collective consensus.

Even if that means that no candidate for messiah is forthcoming and the Samson option eventually becomes the only alternative available to Her because She will not bend to considering alternatives which include forgiveness and moving forward and helping her current enemies become Her eventual friends. That kind of thinking is just 'Jesus talk'.

It would be a triple miracle if she relied on Jesus as her Messiah. He got her the reputation of God-killer.

Not at all. She 'killed' GOD a long time ago by replacing GOD with the image of YHVH - but GOD cannot die so the reputation is simply a man-made twist on a man-made twist which only has relevance in relation to man-made twists on The Truth, rather than on The Truth itself.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 16 by marco]

As a Christian boy I sang a hymn about the crucifixion:

"See how patiently he hangs
While soldiers mock and Jews deride."

That was then, this is now.

So, as an adult man, what do you say now about what you sang then, and why you then sang it?

[marco]

[Replying to post 16 by marco]

As a Christian boy I sang a hymn about the crucifixion:

"See how patiently he hangs
While soldiers mock and Jews deride."

That was then, this is now.

So, as an adult man, what do you say now about what you sang then, and why you then sang it?

Wordsworth opined that the "child is father of the man" and there is the famous Jesuit boast that they will give you the man if they are given the child. To a large extent we remain prisoners of our childhood indoctrination however proudly we claim to have shed it all.


Anyway, I was illustrating that even in a hymn the Jews were given a bad press. Of course I don't accept the accusation that an entire race was complicit in the death of one Jesus Christ.


My view is it would be best if we poured all religious thoughts and prejudices into one bottle and discarded the contents safely, replacing them with concern for our fellow mortals. Jewish teaching and Christianity's adopted Messiah take us back to living in past millennia just as the myths of Muhammad bring us the darkness of the 7th century, with swords replaced by bombs.

[marco]

The idea I was presenting is that two evils are two evils, not one evil is better than the other and one should be expected to take sides.

I never suggested that we favour the lesser of two evils; I don't see the duality. As for Israel steadfastly refusing to budge, many of her prime ministers have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for their (thwarted) efforts. Things are seldom what they seem as the lovely Buttercup sang in HMS Pinafore.


But perhaps Israel has learned to see the messianic in human things rather than in the treacherous divine. Jesus spent most of his divine breath preaching against the Jewish establishment.