Diversified Oneness

[101G]

[101G]

[Replying to post 9 by dio9]

Psalms 16:8 "I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Psalms 16:9 "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.

Psalms 16:10 "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

[FWI]

[Overcomer]

[101G]

[Replying to post 12 by FWI]

First thanks for the reply, but the doctrine I believe in do not support a trinity.

second, I must disagree with your assessment about the OT and the NT concering our Lord Jesus, they both clearly tell us who he is.

example in a previous post, I asked who made everything, the OT and the NT states that it was JESUS. but if you have anything else that say different please post it.

PCY

[101G]

[Replying to post 13 by Overcomer]

Thanks for the reply, and yes it is JESUS the Holy Spirit. this is the point of this topic. see, it's the Holy Spirit that is God who without flesh and bone better known as the title holder "Father" who raised up that body. but note it is the Holy Spirit "diversified" in flesh as the title holder Son who raised up that body. when the Lord Jesus said "I" will raise it up , this is the Holy Spirit speaking in that Flesh who is God, the OFFSPRING. for in him is LIFE, see got question got it wrong. what was given to the Son was blood, the life of the flesh, supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul". and now without blood he can give us what he has, eternal life. the blood of the flesh is only temporal.

this is the premise of "Diversified oneness", that it is the Holy Spirit in and out of flesh shared as a man is the God or the ONLY PERSON in the Godhead, or as the Greek say the G243 allos "ANOTHER" of oneself in flesh.

understand, the basic of Diversified oneness is that the Holy Spirit is the Father with out flesh and bone, and the Holy Spirit is the "Son" with flesh and bones.

only ONE person, only diversified. and the Greek word that brings this understanding is G243 allos. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. examine that definition closely, and one will get the working idea of "Diversified Oneness".

PCY.

[Overcomer]

101G wrote:

only ONE person, only diversified. and the Greek word that brings this understanding is G243 allos. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. examine that definition closely, and one will get the working idea of "Diversified Oneness".

You are absolutely right about the word "allos" referring to someone who is the same sort. Given that Jesus said he would send "another" (allos) comforter/helper (paraclete), it's clear that he wasn't referring to himself, but to another being just like him, that is, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Triune Godhead.

Do you happen to be a Oneness Pentecostal by any chance?

[101G]

[shnarkle]

[Replying to post 4 by DPMartin]

yes, I agree, but consider this. using a scripture you quoted from the book of John.

John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

so it was JESUS who made all things .... correct. now this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

ok, who made everything?

Everything was made by the word. Yet the word isn't really Jesus because the word "became" Jesus. Jesus couldn't become Jesus. The assumption is that because the word exists eternally and created everything that this must therefore be God. This is a false assumption as is evidenced in 1 Cor. 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Paul clearly distinguishes between the one God and Father who is the origin of all things, e.g. "OF WHOM are all things", and Christ "BY WHOM" are all things. So from this we can safely conclude that the eternal creator of all things isn't God. John says the same thing when he distinguishes between the word and God, e.g "And the word was WITH God"

[shnarkle]

[Replying to post 8 by dio9]

No, I'm not talking about who was at the resurrection, but "WHO" raised up the Lord Jesus body. now the good and correct answer came from Elijah John, he quoted Acts 2:32. but that was countered by John 2:18-22 and proved out that Peter knew that Jesus raised up his own Body.

Unless you have something different?......

Yep, here it is;

Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, HE DOETH THE WORKS.

i'm not yelling, I just don't know how to embolden the words.

[shnarkle]

[Replying to post 12 by FWI]

First thanks for the reply, but the doctrine I believe in do not support a trinity.

second, I must disagree with your assessment about the OT and the NT concering our Lord Jesus, they both clearly tell us who he is.

example in a previous post, I asked who made everything, the OT and the NT states that it was JESUS. but if you have anything else that say different please post it.

PCY

I'd really like to see where it says "Jesus" created everything. Jesus was a human being who lived around 2000 years ago, and only for about 30 years, which doesn't really fit with any of the creation stories in the bible. An itinerant preacher named Jesus didn't create the world.