Why do we no longer keep the Sabbath?

[brianbbs67]

Show me how God's day of rest was changed by Him. I have studied Theology and read Tanakh, KJ, Strong's, Thomson, NKJ and many others. God says he does not change, why would his day? All of my study, shows that there are lots of beliefs, some right to me , others not. But, since Peter's church worshipped on the Sabbath, why are we not?

Constantine decreed Sunday. Roman church(325) approved and adopted "christmas" and other pagan traditions.

If we follow as Christ instructed, known of this would hold water. I am sure this has been covered before, but I am truly curious.

[Checkpoint]

I try to keep the Sabbath. By that, I try to have one day of rest per week. Currently, I make that a Saturday but I don't think we have to keep any day in particular. It's just good to rest properly one day a week.

Since most people do not keep the commandments why would you think people would respect the Sabbath in particular?

Even Christ said to remember the Sabbath day(which day is the Sabbath) Always has been the 7th one. Sunset to sunset

Where did Christ say "to remember the Sabbath day"?

[Petrameansrock]

[[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 475#889475]Replying to post 5 by McCulloch[/ur

That's a good summary.
I'm a combination between 4 and 5. Mostly because of the discussion on "Sabbath rest" in Hebrews.

[bjs]

As far as I can tell, there are 5 different Christian views on the Sabbath:

1. The seventh day of the week Sabbath still applies.
2. The Sabbath law still applies, but it has been changed to Sunday.
3. The Sabbath principle applies, you really should take one day off per week.
4. The Sabbath for Christians is not a weekly thing but something spiritual.
5. The Sabbath law no longer applies, but the rules about adultery, idolatry and murder still do.

After centuries of dissension and division on this issue, I don't see a consensus happening any time soon.

I have problems distinguishing between #3, #4, and #5. What is the practical difference between these three?

I am assuming here that #3 is something along the lines of “it is a good idea to take a day off� as opposed to the more legalistic application of #1.

It seems to me that someone could hold #3, #4, and #5 all at once. And, setting aside a few extreme groups like Seventh Day Adventists, that position seems to be the consensus held by most orthodox Christians. Individuals might focus on one aspect or another, but most Christians seem to think that a mixture of those three positions is an accurate reflection of Christian belief.

Unless of course there a more meaningful and practical difference between the three that I am just not seeing.

[bluethread]

The disciplines would gather Saturday night(1st day) "as was their custom", but they all went to "church" on the Sabbath and held the 7 Feasts also.

I am just trying to "draw nigh unto God, and He will draw you nigh unto Him"

I think we do a great error by not keeping His day. Peter "loosed" the dietary law as Christ allowed. I don't see the Sabbath "loosed" anywhere.

First the meeting to end Sabbat is called Havdalah, and Paul tells the Corinthians to set aside whatever they wished to donate to help out those who were suffering in Jerusalem at that time, because one is not to do business on Shabbat.

If one wishes to take binding and loosing to refer to Peter being the successor to the seat of Moshe', then that is another issue to be discussed elsewhere. However, even if that is the case, it does not mean that he is permitted to set aside the commandments and Peter never set aside the so called "dietary laws" and neither did Yeshua.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by brianbbs67]

The weekly sabbath was part of the Mosaic Law (it was one of the Ten Commandments but thos ten became part of the whole code of 613 laws). Christians are not under obligation to keep the Mosaic law (including the ten), they are to keep Christian law and principle.

Yes, I know the law. Christ said to follow the law too. But, Peter was given the latitude to "loose" and "bind". The early church meant in Synagoges on Friday night or Sat. Paul even defended the law(some of it). That is how we know what sin is.

I'm sure you do, do you know the difference between christian law and Jewish law?
Do you know when the latter (Jewish law) was abolished?

[bluethread]

[[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 475#889475]Replying to post 5 by McCulloch[/ur

That's a good summary.
I'm a combination between 4 and 5. Mostly because of the discussion on "Sabbath rest" in Hebrews.

Views 2 through 4 are primarily based on rationalizing based on personal comfort and/or a disdain for memorials. I argue that it is not about personal comfort, because the Tanakh says, (Is. 58:13-14) "“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.� The mouth of the LORD has spoken." The Scriptures tell the purpose of the Shabbos, the weekly Shabbat, (Ex. 20:11) "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.", and the purposes of the other appointed times are in the various instructions regarding each of them.

Now, IMO, the reference in the letter to the diaspora(Hebrews) to there remaining a Shabbat for the believers, does not mean that the other appointed times have been done away with, but that there is yet another overlooked Shabbat. That Shabbat being the day of salvation, spoken of by David.

[JehovahsWitness]

I have problems distinguishing between #3, #4, and #5. What is the practical difference between these three?

I am assuming here that #3 is something along the lines of “it is a good idea to take a day off� as opposed to the more legalistic application of #1.

It seems to me that someone could hold #3, #4, and #5 all at once. And, setting aside a few extreme groups like Seventh Day Adventists, that position seems to be the consensus held by most orthodox Christians. Individuals might focus on one aspect or another, but most Christians seem to think that a mixture of those three positions is an accurate reflection of Christian belief.

Unless of course there a more meaningful and practical difference between the three that I am just not seeing.

A principle is an underlying basis upon which a law or a rule is based. Be kind to animals is a principle. It is illegal to put your dog in the washing machine is a law.

The principle upon which the Sabbath law is based is that one should not consecrate all ones time to selfish or secular endeavors but set aside time and energy for spiritual endeavors such as study of the scriptures, prayer and other aspects of worship. This is in essence another way of saying its a spiritual thing.

Christians respect the principle but are not under any law to observe a weekly sabbath.


JW

[bluethread]

The principal upon which the Sabbath law is based is that one should not consecrate all ones time to selfish or secular endeavors but set aside time and energy for spiritual endeavors such as study of the scriptures, prayer and other aspects of worship. This is in essence another way of saying its a spiritual thing.

So, where does one find that in the explicit explanation of it's purpose in Ex. 20:11? Was the creation of the world on the other six days nonspiritual activity on Adonai's part?

[JehovahsWitness]

The principal upon which the Sabbath law is based is that one should not consecrate all ones time to selfish or secular endeavors but set aside time and energy for spiritual endeavors such as study of the scriptures, prayer and other aspects of worship. This is in essence another way of saying its a spiritual thing.

So, where does one find that in the explicit explanation of it's purpose in Ex. 20:11? Was the creation of the world on the other six days nonspiritual activity on Adonai's part?

Principles don't come in explicit statement, one has to meditate on that which is not said but implied. Take the law of love of neighbour. If we understand the principle, although it cannot be found explicty in the bible, we will understand that deliberately running them over with your car violates the principle. However there is no mention of cars in the bible.

JW

[brianbbs67]

I try to keep the Sabbath. By that, I try to have one day of rest per week. Currently, I make that a Saturday but I don't think we have to keep any day in particular. It's just good to rest properly one day a week.

Since most people do not keep the commandments why would you think people would respect the Sabbath in particular?

Even Christ said to remember the Sabbath day(which day is the Sabbath) Always has been the 7th one. Sunset to sunset

Where did Christ say "to remember the Sabbath day"?

He said it by saying keep the commandments. Matthew offers, 19:17, 28:1, 24:20, and 28:20 just for a few.