Rob wrote:chachynga wrote:Bro Dave wrote:Jesus was a Jew.
So UNTRUE.
Christ was NO jew, but his followers doing Gods ways not mans ways are Christians.
Borg wrote:Jesus was deeply Jewish.... Not only was he Jewish by birth and socialization, but he remained a Jew all of his life. His Scripture was the Jewish Bible. He did not intend to establish a new religion, but saw himself as having a mission within Judaism. He spoke as a Jew to other Jews. His early followers were Jewish. All of the authors of the New Testament (with the possible exception of the author of Luke-Acts) were Jewish. (Borg 1995: 22)
Though ... hard to believe, some Christians are apparently unaware of the Jewishness of Jesus, or, if they are aware, do not give it much weight.[3] Moreover, Christians have frequently been guilty of conscious or unconscious anit-Semitism, indentifying Jesus with Christianity and his opponents with Judaism, and thereby seeing Jesus and the early Christian movement as anti-Jewish. Parts of the New Testament as well as the popular image of Jesus encourage the notion that "the Jews" rejected Jesus. (Borg 1995: 22)
But Jesus' opponents did not represent the Jewish people or nation. "The Jews" did not reject Jesus. Rather, the few Jewish persons involved in the events leading to his execution were a small but powerful elite whose power derived from the Romans. Instead of representing the Jews, they might fairly be described as collaborating in the oppression of the Jewish people. (Borg 1995: 22)
The separation of Jesus from Judaism has had tragic consequences for Jews thoughout the centuries. The separation is also historically incorrect, and any faithful image of Jesus must take with utmost seriousness his rootedness in Judaism. (Borg 1995: 22)
[3] See, for example, Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza, In Memory of Her (New York: Crossroad, 1985), pp. 105-6, where the author tells about a friend who had to work very hard to convince an adult education class in her parish that Jesus was Jewish, only to have somebody respond, "But the Blessed Mother for sure is not."
-- 1. Borg, Marcus J. Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time. San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco; 1995; p. 22.
And if anyone wonders why there were such tragic consequences, one need only look below to the next racist statement:
chachynga wrote:Man did not come from one race nor are we to mix races.
What an ignorant, bigoted, and racist remark. Indeed, we shall know those who are born of the Spirit and followers of Jesus by their fruits.
Upon what basis, biblical or otherwise, do you claim that we are not to "mix races?" This is a blatantly racist remark, the most un-Christ like spirit one can manifest.
No wonder Jesus sat down to eat with sinners and publicans and those of other races (Samaritans and Gentiles); those who think they are the "saved" such as the divisive hateful spirit exhibited in the racists remark above, would not have sat down with him to sup with him for fear of contamination, the same hateful spirit that leads to the statement that we should not "mix races."
Consider the irony in such unJesusonian racist remarks. There were some Pharasees (not all, mind you) who considered the Samaritans "unclean," and to sit down and sup with them would have "defiled" their self-righteous sense of being ritually clean. Even Jesus' early followers continued in this belief, as was evidenced by their anger at Paul for having sat down to eat with the Gentiles.
And now, here in the twenty-first century, we have a so-called follower of Jesus exhibiting the same hateful, racist attitude in the statement above, as that exhibited by some Pharasees during Jesus' time who looked down upon him and rejected him because he ignored their ignorant racist beliefs and sat down to dine with whomever accepted his invitation, irregardless of their race, religion, or gender.
Boy oh boy, you sure do draw a lot of flase information with no weight or merit whatsoever.
If you had in fact any knowledge of the bibe and understood what it says, then you'd understand what I said and know it as truth.
Call me what you will, does not make it so.
It is you that spew hate and that make flase and slanderous statements.
Hebrews
8 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Whom was the covenant made with and FOR ?
HUM
Whom?
Hebrews
8 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Whom is Jesus main concern for?
John 10 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John
10 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
Matthew
15 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew
10 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jeremiah
50 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
John
21 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Psalms
95 6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker. 7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
II Chronicles
18 16 Then he said, I did see all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master; let them return therefore every man to his house in peace.
1 Chron. 17
6 Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? 7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:
Jeremiah
50 17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
Now certainly you can not say that all the races of the earth are the same peoples? They are not all Israel are they? Are You Israelite? I may be but that in of itself does not Guarantee me a seat in the hereafter to come.
Micah
2 12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.
Argue with Gods words all you care, will not make it o none effect.
You may try to fool the masses and succeede but the remnant will know truth.
Matthew
15 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
