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Glory be to God Almighty! With love, greetings in His name and by the Holy Spirit may God's truth be known to all. I confess to being an imperfect born again disciple in Christ but God willing I am being transformed (Romans 12:2) like any other repented baptized believer in the flesh. God willing, this message may contain truths from "God" yet unknown to those in this forum and that I may be here to also guide those out of darkness and/or to learn, teach, edify, admonish and pray? Though God knows my intent is not to harm anyone, there is no doubt that some believers will be offended with What and How I say things but that is inevitable since I am fallible and do not make excuses for my weaknesses. Indeed, I may glory in my infirmities (2 Corinthians 12:9). That’s all I can say about myself other than I am also unremarkable and prone to using sarcasm in dialogue and real life (inherited honestly) but when someone tells me they are offended, I would stop it. Indeed, one practically needs the gift of sarcasm/gab to counter all the backhanded compliments and accusations I’ve seen flying around in forums? :)

Please forgive me too, that I may not have posted my first topic in a customary “Introduction� category? It’s simply because from experience with several “forums�; it was proved to be more a hypocritical exercise than a welcoming one. Instead; but only with your indulgence, I’ll make every effort to ‘earn’ your confidence/approval whether you agree with anything I say or not but mainly because I’m not naïve enough to assume that anyone who is “welcoming� me to a forum, may be false brethren or even the devil’s minions having amusing themselves? Hence the “title� of this topic which I’ll be exploring in this missive but “you� certainly don’t have to and “we� can always say a sincere: “Hello� perhaps later? Some of my thoughts, opinions, guesses, statements and understanding of “God� might be wrong too? So don’t be afraid to publically or privately challenge anything I say but expect I will request a phone call with you to discuss it as well. Ergo, please don’t post your comments on my topics/threads if you won’t also discuss with me on the phone and I will also publically post the Names of those who refused my phone call offering.

Yikes! I better pause at this point to also acknowledge People in forums who like to criticize others for the 'length' of their writings, rather than the content. I've seen in every forum where people whine about a posting being too long and/or calling it boring because they were either too inconsiderate or too lazy to read it and also those who criticize spelling/grammar mistakes and complain about using Color and Fonts and Emoticons. But I’ve also witnessed just one *Admin person apologize to me privately, for making their unfounded accusation of “length�. Anyway, I've stopped my inferior Literary Bus here; > so "those kinds of judgmental hypocrites" can get off now because this will indeed be a long read for those who care to do so. Anecdote: This "metaphoric bus stop" reminds me of one of my favorite gospel songs too. Goes something like this if I recall correctly, quote: "This Train is Bound for Glory. It only Stops for the Righteous and the Holy." Unquote. Anyone know it? Thank you Lord for that psalm and please don't forget to Stop and pick up this wretch and the Sooner the Better because I'm getting real weary trying to walk in your footsteps. There is just too much suffering to deal with and too much to be done. It's overwhelming and I'm never sure if I'm getting it right but always sure I'm probably doing something wrong. But also to acknowledge that I am probably an idiot in God’s eyes too and therefore have no intention of trying to ‘impress’ anyone with what I write about. So it is my time and hours of effort to waste on writing about whatever I please and if you think it’s too long, I don’t care about Your judgment in that regard because it’s not Yours in the first place. Thank you. ;)

Continuing; and with plank in my eye and since "God" doesn't give me periodic updates confirming what he might be using me for; please know that I do not pretend to speak for God saying things like: God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Angel "told me This" or "told me That" or "told me to Say this" or "told me to Say that" or "wants me to interpret the Bible this way or that way" or "wants me to Do this" or "wants me to Do that" and everything else like “that�. But if/when "God" does afflict me by revelation and in audible words to say something, I shall joyfully Say So along with a: Hallelujah! :) Otherwise I will endeavor to use ???question marks???? after any statements I make concerning the "nature of God" and about what I think but cannot prove. Reciprocally, if I think someone is speaking for "God", I might ask them the following question: Did "God" afflict you by revelation and in audible words to say that? If their answer is Yes, I will give what they say every consideration. If their answer is No, I will ask them to re-word their statement. If they cannot answer Yes or No, I will ignore their comments.

If someone accused You of not being a Christian, could you prove them wrong?
What would Your answer be? I first heard that type of question come up in a sermon and I thought to myself. What a great question! I think it’s a question that every believer should be asking themselves and edifying with brethren about. Indeed it is perhaps at the “essence� of the issues being raised in this topic? A man-made forum is just what it is. It’s created by man and may have nothing to do with God but we Christians are constantly being challenged to “prove� what we are (Matthew 10:22/Mark 13:13, Luke 1:71/6:22/21:17) except we really can’t prove it for all intents and purposes. Only God can do the convincing. The best we can do is quote biblical passages like (Matthew 5:16, 1 Peter 2:12) etc. but that isn’t “proof�. It is only proof that we read it in the Bible and even if we perform miracles empowered by God, some will still not see that as proof and the Bible confirms that too. Even believers challenge other believers to prove their salt but that usually ends up in a quarrel and nothing resolved especially in forums but I pray that is not always the case. All we can “see� in forums are words and images and even if someone wrote in words that God blessed them with a miracle, for all we know, they could be lying?

So I fully understand that anything said in Internet forums as well, cannot be proved nor disproved. Which, as far as only I’m concerned perhaps, is why is there is nothing necessarily accomplished in forums except that which God accomplished but we cannot necessarily “see� it or “know� it? ;) Thus, I’m not here to impress anyone with my words and I’m not an Expert on anything either. With your indulgence then and regardless of "man's forum Rules" (Acts 5:29), I will speak truthfully in this forum too whether I'm right or wrong. You may also know that I've been banned from every hypocritical so-called Christian forum I've infiltrated for the purpose of truthfully talking about "God"; so please don't think even for a moment I am concerned that there may be an ungodly owner, moderator or admin person in this forum who will almost certainly ban me too. :) But I firmly advocate that God has his way in all things including forums and regardless of what is said. We Christians must be allowed to make mistakes in what we say (James 3:8) and learn how to deal with the consequences (Matthew 18:15-17) of our behavior without man's interference. Otherwise it is not a Christian forum and therefore probably not created by a Christian either?

And no doubt, by my own words, I will be accused here too of being wrong or sarcastic, mean-spirited, accusatory, presumptuous and everything else under the sun but you know what? I don’t care what anyone thinks I might be. I only care what God knows I am and what he might have me doing here (2 Corinthians 4:2), if anything beneficial? However, forums could be good for believers to practice their humility and how not to harm others which is what I mainly use them for. Except, from my observation and experience conversing with Forumsters, the opposite is the norm. Most believers are there to exalt themselves by attempting to impose their will and beliefs on others and to harm as many people as they can through taunting, insulting, accusing and bullying anyone that gets in “their way�. So if/when I indulge their hypocrisy and ignorance, it is a great challenge for me just practicing How To gently correct and admonish such fools (2 Timothy 2:24) rather than do the easy thing which is to just get mad and call them hypocrites and ignoramuses but without showing them the corresponding biblical proof of their foolishness. Sadly though, many believers and non-believers haven’t even learned civil manners yet or have forgotten them and therefore they aren’t even capable of practicing Common Sense. As such, one could spend endless hours and days on end just teaching “manners� when the time should perhaps be better spent identifying lost souls and edifying with brethren? So I normally just include examples of “common sense� (my version) in my writings for anyone to pick up on.

Unfortunately though, in every Christian forum so far; I've witnessed moderators and admin people that are more concerned with finding people who might be breaking their "precious man-made forum Rules" rather than obeying God’s precious laws. They do not allow even One mistake by anyone [in their judgment] except by themselves of course. In every forum, judgmental narcissistic hypocritical "mods/admins" were allowed to make normal human mistakes, commit sins and freely say whatever they wanted with impunity but the moment someone else allegedly made a mistake or questioned forum Rules or questioned “their� alleged un-Christian-like behavior or knowledge or wisdom; "they" either denied they might be wrong and publically admonished their accuser or banned them. That is the kind of evil which usually gets us Christians banned and from a “Christian� forum of all things, ironically? In fact, that one Admin person *who apologized to me, also joined the ‘mob’ to ban me later. Not once, in those forums, did I see anyone even get a Warning first for any alleged impropriety. In fact, in most forums, one of the actual Rules stated is that: a moderator/admin cannot even be questioned no matter what they do or say. Which is ridiculous to say something like that in real life and which also means those mods/admins were not there to learn anything from anyone but rather just to Play God or Satan or whatever instead of asking God to teach them How To deal with sinners who will inevitably say un-Christian-like things in forums. In reality though, “they� disobeyed God themselves because they chose to first obey a set of man’s rules in exchange for the privilege of being allowed to impose Their judgment on others. So they were defeated in God’s eyes even before they took part in such a forum. Of course they will deny being wrong about anything and even unto their self because their sinful nature enjoys having that sense of control and power over others. But little do they know; by their stubbornness not to accept God as the moderator of all things, they are merely storing up wrath on their self (Romans 2:5, Jude 1:4). So I pity them but love them and ask my brethren to join me in prayer for the "mods/admins" in forums who are allowing earthly rules to govern their faith.

Not only that but the moment a forum owner implements any rules, just Your basic human right to Freedom of Speech is also ignored. Not to mention; by posting rules for you to follow, the forum owner is insulting You by presuming you probably do not even have the common sense to behave yourself in their forum. Which means my dear neighbor, you are being Baby-sat if you joined a “forum with rules� so now how naïve do you feel? Ouch! Truth hurts as they say; don’t it? If you don’t believe me, just watch how fast my topic might be removed or locked and/or I’ll be banned? But that is partly why I’m talking openly, honestly and truthfully about “Christian forums which impose rules� because Jesus set us free from earthly rules but what believers are doing in such forums is insulting Christ’s sacrifice by allowing their self to be dictated to by man and bashing each other on top of that and for being naïve for joining in the first place! Don’t You Get It Yet? ;)
But Christians please do judge me if you must and then You may Be Judged as well (Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37) and learn something? And no doubt, at least one believer forum member will immediately Report this topic to forum authorities with the intent to have me banned because they cannot face me publically in God’s witness and for All in the forum to see to refute what I’ve said because they simply disagree with what they read and do not want anyone in the forum who might challenge their biblical opinions? So as a coward would, they look for any Rules’ infraction attempting to justify their hateful action but they are actually just trying to cover up their inability to Stand For Christ and/or because they are probably not a Christian anyway?

Speaking of “babysitting�, c'mon let's be real. :) Even TV's Supernanny teaches parents to first give their children a "warning" to stop their bad behavior before placing the child on the Naughty Spot. :) Then, after they have served their time on the Naughty Spot, the child must apologize to the parent for their behavior and the parent must also forgive them. Then hugs and kisses; Lesson Learned and life goes on. Simple and gosh that seems like sound biblical practice too. How about you? But I have never seen that practiced in forums. What a Super loving and caring person the Supernanny is too and I pray she will be saved. I only wish to know more Christians with her wisdom, talents and kindness. Indeed, next to the Bible, I recommend people watch the Supernanny Show before reading any other Christian Writings! Why? Ask God. I’m not your babysitter. The point anyway is that Christians shouldn’t need a Human Babysitter to serve God. That’s “why�. But I've got some Christian Writings by other authors from which I have also been truly blessed; I’d love to share with you and vice versa perhaps?

There is a Bigger Picture which no amount of rules can contain and in case you haven’t noticed, believers can’t even agree on who God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is. So how can you possibly expect anything but chaos in a forum full of Confused Anonymous Believers who cannot even prove their own Religion is the right one; let alone disprove anyone else’s? Isn’t that why we trust in God to provide us with our purpose and our faith and the power to endure and carry out what he planned for us? That’s what I believe but I’m absolutely certain some believers in this forum will disagree with that too. We’ve got even stricter Rules in society but people break them every day too and end up in jail which proves that you can’t legislate morality and a bunch of rules will not stop the devil from making a mockery of a forum either.

Before reading the Bible and during all the decades miserably spent in darkness, I never knew that 'being a Christian' was also going to be a "mournful" and "gloomy" existence (James 4:9) but I'm hangin' in there with you Jesus and eternally grateful to you for bearing most of the load. And though I'm trying to get your message out, I'm afraid most believers have been given the message that a life in You is going to be Fun and Safe? Believers thinking they can pray for and expect Christ to provide them with own their own home, vehicle, great jobs with great pay, plenty of fornication, long and healthy lives, wonderful families and friends and then die comfortably in their sleep after they have enjoyed every earthly pleasure they possibly could; rather than pray for the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 14:1) in order to serve God more than their self? Some might even think you will give them a Windfall Lottery so they can buy several homes and vehicles and quit their job so they can have even more sex and recreation time and earthly mammon and have plenty money left over for their loved ones after they die comfortably in their sleep and of course, eventually; they will also give some money to needy causes?

But that's what I'm hearing from most sermons and have gotten the very clear impression with contemporary Christianity that; in addition to, but apart from God's people Israel, most believers in America truly expect to find in heaven, all of their family members and friends and perhaps their pets too? They're probably not sure if paradise includes heavenly golf courses, shopping malls, even more fornication and everything else like that but they hope it's a possibility even though there is basically no evidence of this in most of God's real bibles? So Lord, you see what I'm working with and know why I'm writing this and why I think it's almost impossible to find like-minded brethren. Anyway, I gotta finish this message in case God wanted it done but will you please also bless the ones who got off my metaphoric bus at this "stop"?

Okay, rest stop is over and the impatient have been acknowledged. Here's a dandy saying I think: “good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment�. So, from experience, I don't read forum rules anymore because if the owners/mods/admin are imposing Their Rules instead of God laws, then it's just a gossip forum but also because as I said, we're not bound by man's rules anyway and everyone: "must be allowed to make mistakes in what we say (James 3:8) and learn how to deal with the consequences (Matthew 18:15-17) of our behavior" IMO. Anything short of that is a dictatorial forum and probably owned/run by adult-aged girls and boys attempting to Control people in their little patch of cyberspace? Or perhaps they actually are children just fooling around on the Internet? But what I truly think is that these forums are probably started by naïve believers with good intentions who do not have a 'leadership role' in their own physical church or maybe don't belong to any church; so the Internet affords them the opportunity to 'practice at' being a biblical pastor over their own flock of Anonymous cyber-lambs and wolves but they don't have to face the reality of ever being questioned about what they're doing and believing and saying; and I'd be interested to hear what this forum thinks about that?

Yes, that was my sarcasm again which I often utilize to provoke the "truth" from people and because I can admit I might be wrong and also do laugh at myself and especially when I say stupid things and someone calls me on it. But I also believe my sarcasm might be honestly inherited in Christ too and perhaps this is verified in the Bible where we often find Jesus calling people hypocrites, vipers etc. because He knows the truth and knew when people were trying to trap him in a lie. And since Jesus actually knew they were hypocrites, isn't that the Purist and Holiest sarcasm? Indeed, I often find myself lovingly wondering if Jesus ever had a smirk on his face sometimes when he was admonishing hypocrites? Do you? Yet, in those forums, when someone called another person a "hypocrite" or even implied it, the accusations and judgments started flying around like nobody's business. :) Except it’s not funny :( and nothing good comes of it because everyone is too busy defending their self and demanding apologies. Practically hilarious really if it wasn't so sad and pathetic watching people bash each other while pretending to be Christians and then of course a moderator steps in and ejects their neighbor(s) from the forum for being fallible like everyone else in the real world. I see a truthful irony in that because isn't a Christian forum also supposed to be used for spreading the gospel? But if those who might seemingly be unruly are in darkness, then how can "we Christians" work on them if an ignorant mod/admin person kicks them out? Not to mention all the believers they ban too. Never ceases to amaze!

In fact, I recently posted this same letter in the www [dot] fansforchrist [dot] org forum. I posted it in 3 Parts and the first thing an admin did was to remove Parts 2 and 3 and Lock Part 1 so that "only they" could post these comments and no one else in the forum could express their opinions. The humble admin said:
"I will proudly be the first admin to say that such out and out ranting and judgmental posture if it continues will most certainly get you banned. Go ahead- call me 'ungodly'. Oooooo. If you are a fan of something that we discuss here, or would like to bring up a discussion point then by all means do so. There is a prayer forum you can use also. But this is not a stage upon which to perform melodramatic tirades just for the pleasure of seeing one's own agenda typed out for all to see. That is meant to be divisive and we do not tolerate that here. You can take that back with you under the bridge from whence you came.
BTW- please do us a favor and do not post any other 'parts'."

Almost Unbelievable until you see it for yourself. A forum; which by nature incites arguing, hate, disagreement, differing opinions and pretentiousness yet that admin hypocrite pretends to act like they’re appalled by someone’s statements which conflict with theirs! And you might wonder Why I started with this topic? Duh? However, those types of remarks are the most common in forums but what’s even more disturbing is the probability of “that admin person� actually been genuinely appalled/naïve in the first place and playing God in a so-called Christian forum? Suppose they are just "fans" of Jesus then and not actual followers in Christ but “those� real foot-in-own-mouth-self-condemnation comments simply verify I am probably correct about these "forums" and doing the righteous thing writing this letter, God willing? Which is partly why I brought up the "topic" in the first place but also because I see all kinds of deception in forums. In God's opinion/IMO, what's the point of even "calling it" a Christian forum when mods/admins are hatefully and judgmentally stifling opinion and driving people out? ;) I'm also in the process of creating my own "God" forum. It might be moderated by God provided he doesn't think it's a waste time in the first place? There won't be any rules or moderators or anyone called admin and nobody can be banned and it will have only 3 Discussion Categories:
1. About God
2. Anything Else?
3. Naughty Spot
This makes it easier for someone as dumb as I are to keep track of stuff and like the saying goes: "to keep it simple stupid". :) Also, I think the “Naughty Spot� feature may help remind believers about maintaining their childlike humility (Matthew 18:4)? However, we encourage philosophers, writers, atheists, singers, theologians, agnostics/fence-sitters, egotists, musicians, geniuses, and clergy to test their mettle too. But in keeping with Matthew 18:4, there aren't any 'special' categories for the aforementioned ilk and for other real-deep-thinking-types who think they deserve their own Smarty-pants category and scads of other ilkish categories. So you'll have to try and 'demonstrate' your purpose just like everyone else because no one gets exalted except by God.

Also, members will be able to Remove their own topics entirely if they wish. Otherwise the forum will be ruled by common sense or my common-2-sense for whatever benefit may be derived. The only interference from Me will be to Move topics which are deemed to be Extremely Evil, into the "Naughty Spot" but their topic will not be removed so that Christians can also see the naughty topics and perhaps God will guide them according to his will, to say the right thing just like for any other topic? We will also explain in private per Matthew 18:15-17, why we think it may be "naughty" and Warn them to either delete it or re-write it. We will also give the person the opportunity to publically apologize. If they apologize, they must delete the topic their self or we might? Then as Jesus commands, we will Forgive them and carry on. Even swear words are allowed because "that's just how some people talk in real life too". I can testify myself to once having a foul-motor-mouth. So if you don't like to see vulgar language, then Don't Read It and here's a helpful hint: You'll probably find most of that vulgar lingo in the Naughty Spot anyway so Don't Go There? Duh.

Believers who have repented and are water baptized must use their real Name or Nickname which they normally go by or else you will probably be accused of not being a "real" Christian [i.e. bearing false witness and everything else like that]? Everyone must fight their own battles and if your feelings get hurt; you can always call your mommy or Supernanny or whoever or ask someone in the forum for support but I recommend prayer to "God" first and in all things you do. Hopefully you pray to God though to find something better for You to do like; spread the gospel and baptize and gift you with powers to heal real people in real life and everything else like that; instead of wasting time on the Internet like I might be doing? If any of you reading this is a Christian and basically agrees with everything I've said so far and you are a computer Programmer and/or technically savvy with websites; please contact me privately at: in [dash] his [dash] name [at] shaw [dot] ca if you wish to become involved in a forum of this nature?
Quickly; if you're a real Christian, write down that email address NOW before you finish reading this posting!
Because as I said, they will delete this topic and ban me maybe even before You finish reading it?
And you can also see at the End of this message, another reason why I asked You to write it down?

But fair warning perhaps because people who refuse to let God have his way and try to Control things in a forum, may be the devil's followers working to destroy and deceive everyone who frequents them? They also cannot "let" God do or not do anything.
[ They hate God. They especially hate Christians yet some call themselves Christians. They hate truth. They hate You. They hate each other. That is why They put Their Rules in place so that they can justify Their evil actions and words in these forums with impunity ]? Duh. Hope that isn’t true in most Internet “God� forums but to deny it can’t happen is lunacy? In fact, I recently came across a ‘Teen-Christian’ forum but there was no evidence of any Adult Christians involved with the forum. So I emailed them and asked Who the owner is and for proof that there was at least 2 Christian adults in the forum keeping an eye on things. No one responded! What’s up with that Forum then? Is it just innocent teenagers doing there own thing and exploring Christianity? Or is it something sinister? I even tried to join it myself using an Alias name in order to keep an eye on things as an impartial observer but their system asks for a person’s Full Name and I couldn’t bypass the security. That must mean their Software can actually detect the Actual Names associated with anyone’s ISP. I’m no Tekkie but isn’t that kind of Personal Name Recognition to Someone’s ISP Highly Unusual software and maybe even illegal? I can understand how software identifies someone’s ISP Number but I thought your Personal Name Info was protected by your ISP? Regardless, the more potentially serious issue there is whether or not those “Teens� are safe in that forum? Who knows? Could be innocent? Could be an Adult believer imposing their understanding of "God" on Teens and without being held accountable to Another Adult Christian? Could be an Adult believer on an Ego Trip and trying to play Teacher to a bunch of Teens because they can't find any other Adults who agree with them? Or could be a Pervert preying on Teens? But no one is talking and I don’t know how to get the truth about that Forum.

So Wake Up Folks and take a Reality Pill because you are in a very dangerous place whether you are too naïve to know it or not. It's called "earth" and maybe you've heard of it? It's a place where Evil abounds (1 John 5:19) but which will pass away completely and the Internet is the devil's latest toy which Satan uses to distract from God, those human resources who can afford it. Oops! Pardon me. Think that was an Opinion I just made? Quickly, someone better report it to a moderator because some forum rules don't allow certain "opinions" either; even if they are true. Not only that but there was no scripture quoted in that opinion so Christians can also now accuse me of not being 'loving' or not being a Christian at all perhaps or a false brother or a heretic or an atheist or worse? That's part of the deception in forums though because the real reason some people frequent them is to find fault in everyone and exploit one's perceived infirmities for the glory of their self?

Another sign of "deception" with a forum is of course its "anonymity". Oh sure, in these forums we See there is plenty of typing the word 'love' found in biblical verses and people quoting those passages 'till the cows home and many claiming to be mighty warriors for God and boasting of their wisdom but they can't even use their own Real Name. Instead they cower behind Alias usernames whilst judging others with a plank in their eye and spewing their verbal poison (James 3:8) from the safety of anonymity. Kinda like what I'm doing here; only perhaps for God? Not to mention, we also See when someone is being baptized but it doesn't necessarily mean they will be saved because we've also "seen" in print and on TV News about baptized Churchgoers who have committed murder too? Did you catch it? ;) If you didn't, don't worry because if I'm not banned for posting this truthful missive/perhaps drivel to God; you can always send me one of those "private" forum messages [which the owner and others can also read for their amusement perhaps?] and I can remind you. But please be patient because I may be busy in one of my other real Christian forums making mistakes while trying to gently correct hypocrite believers and actually learning and teaching About God or urging those in darkness to ask God to bless them with a zeal for reading and the power to correctly interpret any of the versions of the Holy Bible? Instead of using My words trying to convince them how biblically wise I might be and how much I only wished I knew about the Holy Bible?

Are we having fun yet while waiting for someone to report your words to a human authority in order to get you kicked out because you're not perfect or they hate you? Well, it's not supposed to be "fun" and some cyber-warriors-for-God are so brave that they're too afraid to even call their self Male or Female? What's up with that? :) Do they think of themselves as "An It" and/or not human/demonic? That alone is real disturbing behavior! Or maybe they didn't notice that category of their profile or perhaps they're in the process of transgender or they are just children fooling around? Wanna know what my guess is? I think it is likely that most are women who are married, widowed and adulterers that don't like this passage in the bible: "1 Corinthians 14:34"? So forums afford them the opportunity to speak and Speak They Do! Indeed, truth be known, the majority in forums are female? Bless their hearts Lord.

But using "aliases" is perfectly normal for those in darkness and those of evil. However, if a so-called Christian cannot even divulge their real First name, then they are probably not believers anyway? Does that sound even remotely like "Christian behavior" to you? Is that what You do in Your real physical church? Do most people use aliases in a real church building? For the most part I don't think so but heaven help them if they are not even telling people in church at least their real First name? But the devil can read the bible too I imagine and might even interpret the bible better than we can and might be deceiving the "Anonymous" in such forums into deluding themselves that they are God's warriors too? I have no idea but at the same time, hopefully God in his mysterious ways is also saving people through the Internet too and keeping 'his own' safe from harm? So there may still be hope for the "lost Anonymous" and I certainly cannot conclude that God doesn't have some of his elect utilizing the Internet to serve him? But from what I've seen, God looks upon "forums" as just another part of the Mission Field that is earth which the devil has also mostly corrupted. As such, the "service" would merely be the same rescue mission which is to spread the gospel but also to save believers from deluding themselves.

Because all I've witnessed in these forums is mostly self-proclaimed Cyber-Super-Apostles from the safety of their anonymity; quoting scripture left and right and criticizing everyone that doesn't agree with their theology and biblical interpretations. We all know the type; the one's who need to take center stage and think they don't have to answer to anyone but God, right? If they are even Christians at all but if they are disciples, they have lost all humility and refuse to listen to anything but their own voice. They are the Frozen Chosen; as one author coined it: "If we allow our doctrine to freeze in place, there remains no further opportunity to grow; we become the “frozen chosen�. Too many of us have become pillars of the church. We believe that our doctrines are the very standard of biblical truth. We become unwilling to examine our beliefs any further or to seek any truth yet unknown. We’ve become un-teachable and, like the pillars of the church, we can no longer be moved."

But he was referring to the "physical" churches and let's make no mistake. There is a significant difference between Real Life and Cyberland. Because of its "anonymity", nobody has any idea who they are actually interacting with on the Internet; A Huge Red Flag! Ergo, please realize "that inevitability" first and before You start confessing to (James 5:16) Anyone in a forum because for all you know, the people whom you think you can trust, might actually be sons of Satan's making a Fool of You? As well and another Red Flag; those "pillars" are usually the same out-of-control Yappers who have posted more than 10,000 times in forums. I even saw in one forum that someone had more than 24,000 postings! Shouldn't a statistic like that be a Guinness Record under the: Get A Life! category? :) It doesn't get much more ridiculous than that perhaps and yes, it's also usually the mods and admins who do the Most postings/Yapping. Man O Man, how can any reasonable person possibly and responsibly keep track of 10,000+ postings and think that we're all so stupid that we can't see It's All About Them? Wow; talk about Quantity over Quality in the Sincere Department eh. Sometimes I can't even remember the One thing I went into the kitchen for or the 3 things I went to the store for. But 10,000 or 24,000 things? I don't think so and God please strike me dead if I ever even reach only 1000 postings in a lifetime but strike me asleep before I finish this message preferably. Did you catch it? ;)

So tongue-wagging has reached phenomenal levels and again, we have the irony belying the "Internet Forum". Such believers aren't there to grow in Christ or to learn or listen to anything. They are a church unto themselves. They are so far off the path, they might as well start over again (Hebrews 5:12). We see this in the physical churches too and many believers agree that today's 'churchgoing experience' is far from what God wants either. Quoting another: "They are hiding behind a mask of Christian activity, going through the motions and keeping the surface rules that give the appearance of loving God. A life of loving God and honestly and joyfully wanting to do His will from the heart; is a mirage in the spiritual desert wilderness in which they live."

One final comment with regard to "deception"; people in forums will even take a Private message sent to them and then Publically post it and have a good laugh at it with their Multi-posting-cyber-Buddies. It's despicable conduct but especially by people calling themselves "Christians". And please; Anyone who has more than 1000 postings in this forum; Do Not Contact me Privately or Post your comments on any of my topics? Otherwise I will love you as myself and "you" already know what myself suspects. :) Also, those of "you" who might ignore that request; it would also give me permission to expose you later and publically admonish you in this forum for disrespecting someone's request? Regardless, the Table has been set long before my 2 Cents worth was uttered in a forum. I'm just simply and continuously amazed that countless thousands are stilling being trapped in forums! Indeed it may be more likely to find a real Christian in forums like Facebook, Twitter et al? But if you do think you have found a person in a forum you can trust or even brethren, then arrange a phone conversation with them sooner than later. That way, you may better discern if the person is genuine? It can also save you a lot of time and unnecessary typing? But never meet Privately with a stranger from the Internet unless God is making you do so. That precaution is probably in the forum rules or on the website somewhere too but just in case?

To summarize and in short: "what are these Anonymous Internet Christian Forums"? Well, if we're being truthful, they are not Christian; simply because there is no water to baptize anyone with. Duh. :) But they are probably not Christian perhaps also having to do with any of the aforementioned rhetoric; which is not to say that God isn't saving any of those who frequent forums or create them for sinful or misguided or sincere reasons either? They are certainly part of evil on earth. They are probably much more deceptive than the "physical churchgoing experience" and I am certainly not capable of judging forums on His behalf. :)

And that wraps it up for my "2 sense worth" and I'm off to the next forum to post this same Introductory message but I will continue to monitor replies etc. and my messages here in case God has one for me? I have one last request of any real Christians in this forum if I may? Since, from ‘experience’, they will likely ban me from this forum too for speaking truthfully and honestly, I won't be able to see what the ensuing chatter might reveal. So could one of my brethren please email me with an update once in a while, if any? Please forgive me if I have offended anyone and thanks for “your� indulgence? I'm only concerned with God’s power as it might be manifest in a “forum�; not the actual forum itself and I do not proclaim to have all the answers either. May the Lord richly bless you all;

in Christ Jesus
Paul

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If there were a reward for the rambliest random ramble, this post would win hands-down. I did make it through the first couple sentences of each paragraph before my attention span ran out of span.
Wow. :shock:

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