Godless - The Church of Liberalism

[Easyrider]

GODLESS – The Church of Liberalism - is the most explosive book yet from #1 New York Times bestselling author Ann Coulter. In this completely original and thoroughly controversial work, Coulter writes, “Liberals love to boast that they are not ‘religious,’ which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as ‘religion.’ ” (Amazon.com review)

"If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's official state religion, he would have to conclude it is liberalism, while Christianity and Judaism are prohibited by law," Coulter writes in "Godless: The Church of Liberalism."

The WND columnist argues that while many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to traditional religion, to focus solely on the Left's attacks on Judeo-Christian tradition is to miss a larger point: Liberalism is a religion—a godless one.

Chapter headings in Coulter's "Godless" include "On the Seventh Day, God Rested and Liberals Schemed" and "Liberals' Doctrine of Infallibility: Sobbing Hysterical Women" and "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=50364

Let the fur fly.

[1John2_26]

Cathar, what does supporting this site entitle you to do?

I can't believe the filth that you write 1john.
One lie after another.
Nothing but unsupported slander.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Please show where I lied? This thread is about Ann Coulter's views on Liberals. I believe I am staying quite within the topic.

From the site you support . . .

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[kiwimac]

The continued attacks by John on 'Liberalism' are simply the toothless gnawings of an elderly dog upon a meaty bone. What he fails to understand is that JESUS was apparently unconcerned with much of what he considers 'morality.' Indeed Jesus goes so far as to state that what saves or condemns you is HOW you treated OTHER people not how moral you were.

Kiwimac

[MagusYanam]

What he fails to understand is that JESUS was apparently unconcerned with much of what he considers 'morality.' Indeed Jesus goes so far as to state that what saves or condemns you is HOW you treated OTHER people not how moral you were.

Actually, 'how you treated other people' was what Jesus considered morality. What two commandments are we to obey, even above all the others? 'Love your God with all your being and love your neighbour as yourself'.

[kiwimac]

Magnus,

Thinking more about this actually.

(Mat 25:31 WEB) “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.

(Mat 25:32 WEB) Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

(Mat 25:33 WEB) He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

(Mat 25:34 WEB) Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;

(Mat 25:35 WEB) for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in;

(Mat 25:36 WEB) naked, and you clothed me; I was sick, and you visited me; I was in prison, and you came to me.’

(Mat 25:37 WEB) “Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink?

(Mat 25:38 WEB) When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you?

(Mat 25:39 WEB) When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’

(Mat 25:40 WEB) “The King will answer them, ‘Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

(Mat 25:41 WEB) Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;

(Mat 25:42 WEB) for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink;

(Mat 25:43 WEB) I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

(Mat 25:44 WEB) “Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’

(Mat 25:45 WEB) “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’

(Mat 25:46 WEB) These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Kiwimac

[MagusYanam]

St. Matthew 25 works well to illustrate Jesus' view of what is moral, thank you, kiwimac. He seems to have had little respect for those who only cared about keeping their reputation clean and much respect for those who stepped in and lent a helping hand, regardless of their reputation.

[McCulloch]

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I can't believe the filth that you write 1john.
One lie after another.
Nothing but unsupported slander.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[MagusYanam]

Magus,

Of all the leftists that post on this website, which is just about everyone it seems, you fascinate me the most.

Not quite sure how to take that.

Just for once deal with the truth of the matter of inner city problems. It is from sickening immorality, not because someone won't pay their way from government check to government check. That liberal promise is dead and buried in the "lie" section.

I live in the inner city. I know what problems there are with the inner city where I live (Providence, RI - I go to school in Kalamazoo), and that their solution doesn't lie in 'government checks', unless those 'government checks' are going to the schools.

Most of the problems here are due to poor education, and I think most of the people here would do well to start investing in the system they have. You have to start somewhere to get inner-city families a better home life. As this is the case, I think federal money would be better spent not on the mining corporations and agribusiness out West or down South but on schools. Here on the East Coast.

Fox is outfoxing the Liberals in mind controlling viewers and the Left is hysterical about it. The Left actually thought everyone wants to be a hedonist.

Like 'American Idol' style hedonism or 'Desperate Housewives'? Both shows from your beloved FOX Network. It's sickening to most liberals that this kind of vulgarity is what passes for entertainment in Middle America.

Liberal entertainment tends to be far more highbrow. Prairie Home Companion is pretty good in a down-home, Minnesota kind of way.

I believe they have regrouped yet again and now we see them claiming some kind of Christian identity.

The liberal Christian voice has been there ever since the days of Horace Bushnell and F. D. Maurice back in the early 1800's. And they draw their theology from the Gospel, the one in which Jesus said to turn the other cheek and give your cloak to the man who needs it more. If we see more people subscribing to that time-honoured tradition, more power to them. It will lead to a healthier religion.

Have you ever read the Gospel without thinking it is lies, myth or bogus?

Liberals take the Gospel more seriously, apparently, than the conservatives ever have. Take a look at what kiwimac quoted. I read the Gospel as truth - it's where I get my social and moral philosophy.

Meanwhile, you'd best look to your own theology.

The "cosmic, universalist's" Christ, or, the God Incarnate son of the Virgin Mary Jesus? Certainly Some pretty famous Anglicans think Jesus was a myth. That is to say, a lie. A warm and fuzzy universalist-mythical Jesus is a sick joke.

Well, the joke's on you. Unless you didn't write this, also:

Many are looking for the real Jesus and find themselves.

True. The real Jesus is the Creator so obviously logic agrees with you here.

Get your theology straight before you try playing the heresy card on me. Most of Athanasian Christianity (including Anglicanism) regards Jesus as the Son - God in human form - not the Creator.

[Cathar1950]

1John2_26 wrote:
Cathar, what does supporting this site entitle you to do?

The same as anyone. I think you know that so what is your point?

Down below I have posted just some of the johnism against liberals.
Is any of this true? How many liberals do we have here that identify with these characterizations?
I guess I was out of line. But if john is not breaking rules with these kinds of statements are we to believe what he says about liberals are true? I will gladely edit my post.
How about you john?

1John2_26 wrote:

How can a liberal be swayed into the abortion is murder camp, once they have so much blood on their hands and consciences?

It is deadly serious the assertion I presented. Deadly serious. But not my death or yours. Abortion is heinous and it is murder.

For healthy unviolent and not drug addicted gangsters, the nuclear family matters most. That is to prevent what Liberals feast on when applying the profession built around intervention.

I stand by myt claim that Liberals are killers, and killers of far more kinds of people than just the most vulnerable and innocent.

That liberal promise is dead and buried in the "lie" section.

I insult Liberals for telling the truth of what they are by what they do.

If I was pharisaical, I would be a Liberal patting myself and my voluminous club of leftists expressionists on the back for the incredible lie that "I do so much for the poor. Look at me for what I do?" That is hypocrisy. Giving welfare checks to pay for licentiousness is not morality. It is pimping. And of course we now have the fact that "pimping" is a respected thing.

The Left actually thought everyone wants to be a hedonist.

The Liberals that believe government is the saviour.

That is 100% Satanic Magus. It is "Liberal theology" as well.

The actions of liberals is unfettered hedonism and lascivious licentiousness. While, of course, throwing some bones to the poor to make the typical leftist (like those in Hollywood) feel good about what they "do for the poor."

How can anyone know what a Christian frame of mind is from the Liberal Jesus of hedonism and self-promoted righteousness?

[1John2_26]

The continued attacks by John on 'Liberalism' are simply the toothless gnawings of an elderly dog upon a meaty bone. What he fails to understand is that JESUS was apparently unconcerned with much of what he considers 'morality.' Indeed Jesus goes so far as to state that what saves or condemns you is HOW you treated OTHER people not how moral you were.

Kiwimac

Two reasons why from a Christian/Biblical/Gospel perspective liberalism may be demon-possession or a mental disease spread from one person to another:

Abortion for convenience and birth control is slaughtering another human and in ways that are so horrific that it must be hidden behind hysterical screaming politics.

Sodomy/homosexuality, is celebrated and promted, encourageed and supported for a person to embrace, even as a child.

Both are certainly violating "doing unto others as a Christian would want done to themselves."

I encourage exegisis be used to show the hypocrisy and vileness of the liberal mind and actions. Feeding the poor in the name of a false Jesus is just raising them up for illicit purposes. Note that real missionaries feed and clothe the poor to leave abominable practices and seek to convdeert these people to faith in Christ Jesus. Faith, by the way, founded on the real Jesus, that was really crucified, really rose from the dead and really IS God. Not the lieberal version where he was some itinerant preacher either killed and eaten by dogs or somehow survived a Roman crucifixion and slinked off to Europe with his wife and kid OR, scurried off to some other place.

Matthew 25 (NOTE: VIRGINS and oppositie sex marriage) does not support the permissivness and licentious promoted and encouraged and literally preached as acceptable "to" and for others to embrace. by
liberals teaching it.

Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Footnotes:

Matthew 25:15 A talent was worth more than a thousand dollars.[/quote]

[1John2_26]

The continued attacks by John on 'Liberalism' are simply the toothless gnawings of an elderly dog upon a meaty bone. What he fails to understand is that JESUS was apparently unconcerned with much of what he considers 'morality.' Indeed Jesus goes so far as to state that what saves or condemns you is HOW you treated OTHER people not how moral you were.

Kiwimac

Two reasons why from a Christian/Biblical/Gospel perspective liberalism may be caused by demon-possession or a mental disease spread from one person to another:

Abortion for convenience and birth control is slaughtering another human and in ways that are so horrific that it must be hidden behind hysterical screaming politics.

Sodomy/homosexuality, is celebrated and promted, encourageed and supported for a person to embrace, even as a child.

Both are certainly violating "doing unto others as a Christian would want done to themselves."

I encourage exegisis be used to show the hypocrisy and vileness of the liberal mind and actions. Feeding the poor in the name of a false Jesus is just raising them up for illicit purposes. Note that real missionaries feed and clothe the poor to leave abominable practices and seek to convdeert these people to faith in Christ Jesus. Faith, by the way, founded on the real Jesus, that was really crucified, really rose from the dead and really IS God. Not the lieberal version where he was some itinerant preacher either killed and eaten by dogs or somehow survived a Roman crucifixion and slinked off to Europe with his wife and kid OR, scurried off to some other place.

Matthew 25 (NOTE: VIRGINS and oppositie sex marriage) does not support the permissivness and licentiousness promoted and encouraged and literally preached as acceptable "to" and for others to embrace, by
liberals teaching it.

Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Footnotes:

Matthew 25:15 A talent was worth more than a thousand dollars.[/quote]