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GODLESS – The Church of Liberalism - is the most explosive book yet from #1 New York Times bestselling author Ann Coulter. In this completely original and thoroughly controversial work, Coulter writes, “Liberals love to boast that they are not ‘religious,’ which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as ‘religion.’ ” (Amazon.com review)

"If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's official state religion, he would have to conclude it is liberalism, while Christianity and Judaism are prohibited by law," Coulter writes in "Godless: The Church of Liberalism."

The WND columnist argues that while many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to traditional religion, to focus solely on the Left's attacks on Judeo-Christian tradition is to miss a larger point: Liberalism is a religion—a godless one.

Chapter headings in Coulter's "Godless" include "On the Seventh Day, God Rested and Liberals Schemed" and "Liberals' Doctrine of Infallibility: Sobbing Hysterical Women" and "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion."

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Let the fur fly. :D

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1John2_26 wrote:
Some questions for 1John2_26...

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
AIDS from blood transfusions.

What about the British soldiers shot to death by the people who penned the phrase "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" Nothing happy about a musket ball pushed into your head or chest at 800 feet per second.
What's your take on that... isn't it an inherently hedonistic phrase?


Does it represent decadence? Pushing deviant sexuality and taxing the living crap out of honest people by the vermin on the left is not exactly "their" (the good conservative) pursuit of happiness. But it does fund methodone clinics and abortion mills.
What is the difference between a regular democrat and a liberal democrat?
Good people led by very evil people. Blind people wishing for the good old days led by reprobates redefining decency and morality to mean B!tches and ho's.

I'm sorry, "Pimp My Ride" is not something I think FDR would stand up and salute. Liberals and hedonists have made the word Pimp from some disgusting miscreat to a role model.

Whatever goodness is in the regular Democrat (many I have met in the midwest) it has been overshadowed by a vicious and nasty socialist-humanist bunch of anti-Christ fanatics.

I have now met many good Democrats that voted for George W. Bush both times because their morality was more important than the white house for a socialist.
Your post is a little scattered. Let me see if I understand you correctly.

Liberals
*Tell people to perform deviant sexual acts - I thought that liberals, if anything, want the government out of the bedroom and don't tell people what specific sexual activity they should engage in as long as it's private and between consenting adults.
*High taxes - Did you know that Massachusetts is ranked 28th in state and local tax burden? PDF Source
*Public funding for methadone clinics Yep sounds liberal. I don't know how other states work, but the clinics in Massachusetts not only provide methadone as a treatment for heroin addiction, they also have mandatory weekly counseling and random drug tests. Not only does this cost less than jail, it allows families to remain intact and provides treatment.
*Public funding for abortion clinics Yep I'd agree this is a liberal issue.
*Use black slang words - I'd love to hear Ted Kennedy approach Bill Frist by saying, "Yo homie, if we don't get mo' dead presidents, our schools won't be tight, know what I'm sayin'?" Alas, it's yet to happen.
*Admire pimps - Well, this possibly applies to some in the Black community (which also self-identifies as 97% religious). Aside from that, legalizing prostitution is more libertarian than liberal.

Regular Democrats
Voted for Bush - I'll just say that I disagree and leave it at that. :)

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Secularists are starting to pi$$ off the average American much the same way the British elites did the colonists. Ever thought who would win a civl war between conservative gun owners and dope-smoking, Birkenstock wearing pompous humanist-commies pushing socialism onto American familes all bundled up in bullcrap and lies and higher and higher taxes?
John I truly think you have no idea what the average american is like much less what they are thinking. BTW it was not the british elites that ticked off the colonists, it was their colonial system. It's nice to know you believe the far rights propaganda, goes to show the old saying is right, tell a big enough lie enough times and the people will believe it. Or as good old P.T. Barnum used to say,"a suckers born every minute".
I don't own a gun but I did once and since I am not a convicted felon, I can once again and can certainly join the resistance to liberal/progressive/humanist/secular totalitarianism. Pretty easy war to fight. Just say "No condoms for children!" and every screaming leftist couldn't keep their heads down from screaming about the rights of those kiddies from their sexual freedoms being violated.

My, my, my seems like a nerve has been struck, that or you went off your meds. You claim to like your roman history remember the saying bread and circuses? Anyways John you are too old for those kind of shenanigans
Bang! Finally; a good liberal.
I bet you think the only good indian is a dead indian don't you.
If the Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Democrats would have been able to bend just a little bit and embrace morality and care about real families the whole revolution could have been avoided. After all the whole thing started because the Decent American citizens even though they were considered idiots and fundies were being heavily taxed while at the same time they were given no representation in education and the courts.
Wow John you are really going around the bend tonight aren't you.
Notice if you will that the pompous elite leftist liberal looks exactly like the British rule over the decent colonists, and did not learn from American history. Of course they can't because it has been subject to revisionism so badly anything American supportive is seen as hate speech, discrimination and homophobia.
Face it John, america is an inclusive society, not everyone can or even wants to be a WASP. Simply because you are upset that you actually have to pay your servants and can't even beat or call them names anymore shouldn't be a reason to be angry. America is for everyone not just elitists like you.
You mean like they way Democrats used to be the conservative and now are wacked out leftist socialists believing in taxation so high we may as well call them by their real name: Commie?
I hope you understand that your attitude isn't very constructive, but I understand you're being emotional. Republicans cut taxes and increase spending and hope they get out of office before they are forced to fix the mess they make. Don't worry I understand you can no longer view reality.
Or like the way the Kennedy's can screw and kill women and still be re-elected time after time after time? Or, shall we mention how many unborn female children that grow up to be women have been slaughtered in liberal sponsered abortion mills?
Ahh thats right justify one behavior by showing others do it too. How can an unborn child grow up to be an adult? Tsk, tsk and all this is coming from a person that has chided others for being emotional.
Really? How many hip-hop "artists" and their fans consider themselves liberals?
I bet a lot more of them consider themselves conservatives, especially the more successful ones, you should be happy they mostly are trying to be good capitalists. Haven't you noticed that many songs in the genre is devoted to amassing money?

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Christians are waking up and saying "We are not the uneducated and simpletons that humanists in their shallow hedonism and their vapid intellectual elitism think we are." In fact it is rather easy now to see the emporer of licentiousness has no clothes. Literally. Let alone the senselessness of the anti-God club.
Christianity in some respects has only itself to blame for that label. The Book of Genesis written long long after many of the events occurred perhaps even after the Israelites entered Judea has major factual flaws.

Fundamentalist Christians go on in on in their hatred for evolution and the insistence that science change itself all while holding on to mythical stories of Noahs flood and a seven day creation.

Then we go on repeating Judaisms errors by trying to validate the edited scriptures.

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Christians are waking up and saying "We are not the uneducated and simpletons that humanists in their shallow hedonism and their vapid intellectual elitism think we are." In fact it is rather easy now to see the emporer of licentiousness has no clothes. Literally. Let alone the senselessness of the anti-God club.

Christianity in some respects has only itself to blame for that label. The Book of Genesis written long long after many of the events occurred perhaps even after the Israelites entered Judea has major factual flaws.
Major?
Fundamentalist Christians go on in on in their hatred for evolution and the insistence that science change itself all while holding on to mythical stories of Noahs flood and a seven day creation.
How did we get from ooze to your post? Evolution is a great fairy tale. Fun to read about, get tested on, get a passing grade and then go live in the real world.
Then we go on repeating Judaisms errors by trying to validate the edited scriptures.
Judaism? What "is" Judaism?

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Sue, it doesn't appear that any of the garden-variety leftists have a problem "not seeing what I'm saying."
Your post is a little scattered. Let me see if I understand you correctly.


Miracles can happen.
Liberals
*Tell people to perform deviant sexual acts - I thought that liberals, if anything, want the government out of the bedroom and don't tell people what specific sexual activity they should engage in as long as it's private and between consenting adults.
Gay civil rights? The only way anyone knows what gay is is by proclaiming the sex acts done by individuals was raised to a cultural definition. It wasn't done by conservatives and we all know that. The Gay Agenda is very calcualating. Now even in Christian labels.
*High taxes - Did you know that Massachusetts is ranked 28th in state and local tax burden?
There are fifty states. Did you know that? The hypocrisy of Massachusetts is creepy to say the least. The state that keeps reelecting Ted Kennedy and a state that teaches elementary children to march in Gay Pride poarades and then wants to preach civil rights to America.
*Public funding for methadone clinics Yep sounds liberal. I don't know how other states work, but the clinics in Massachusetts not only provide methadone as a treatment for heroin addiction, they also have mandatory weekly counseling and random drug tests. Not only does this cost less than jail, it allows families to remain intact and provides treatment.
Prevention is even cheaper.
*Public funding for abortion clinics Yep I'd agree this is a liberal issue.
Murder is murder. Democrats use the term safe, and rare and legal but cannot stand abstinence education. Abortion for convenience is sickening and insidious. It is murder to wipe away complicity and guilt. Two words that are not liked in Liberal circles.
*Use black slang words - I'd love to hear Ted Kennedy approach Bill Frist by saying, "Yo homie, if we don't get mo' dead presidents, our schools won't be tight, know what I'm sayin'?" Alas, it's yet to happen.
Taxation is a rose by any other name. Kennedy is a reprobate by that word. America would be a dead and forgotten idea if that socialist had power. I'd like to see it. Civil war does not scare me nor does that destruction of whatever America is now.
*Admire pimps - Well, this possibly applies to some in the Black community (which also self-identifies as 97% religious). Aside from that, legalizing prostitution is more libertarian than liberal.


"Pimpin'" has crossed all etnic boundaries. So has bitches and ho's. Now sodomy is a civil rights issue of liberals.
Regular Democrats
Voted for Bush - I'll just say that I disagree and leave it at that.
I thought the same thing until I met with conservative Democrats (white and black) in the mid-west. Liberals are not just a plague of indeceny to just the GOP. many fine people that have a family history of being Democrats would like to see these vermin go away. But like an STD it's not easy to rid the body of the causes, when they are also in the way of thinking.

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Secularists are starting to pi$$ off the average American much the same way the British elites did the colonists. Ever thought who would win a civl war between conservative gun owners and dope-smoking, Birkenstock wearing pompous humanist-commies pushing socialism onto American familes all bundled up in bullcrap and lies and higher and higher taxes?
John I truly think you have no idea what the average american is like much less what they are thinking.
I am the average American pal. In every way. Hear me roar!!!! We are tired of being bashed and having our children learn filth. The movement from the middle hasn't even started yet and how many millions of votes did Bush get?
BTW it was not the british elites that ticked off the colonists, it was their colonial system. It's nice to know you believe the far rights propaganda, goes to show the old saying is right, tell a big enough lie enough times and the people will believe it.
If I still believed in lies I ould still be an atheist-liberal. I started reading and testing things for myself. Liberals are the bad people that Ann reports on. My kids go to private school and I drive used cars to keep them away from those that would harm them with secular diease called progressive education.
Or as good old P.T. Barnum used to say,"a suckers born every minute".
Since Ted Kennedy is still being reelected and hailed as a decent man from Democrats, it seems the suckers are easy to see in the numbers of Democrat liberals. The ones not killed in abortion genocides.
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I don't own a gun but I did once and since I am not a convicted felon, I can once again and can certainly join the resistance to liberal/progressive/humanist/secular totalitarianism. Pretty easy war to fight. Just say "No condoms for children!" and every screaming leftist couldn't keep their heads down from screaming about the rights of those kiddies from their sexual freedoms being violated.

My, my, my seems like a nerve has been struck, that or you went off your meds. You claim to like your roman history remember the saying bread and circuses? Anyways John you are too old for those kind of shenanigans
Nero? Democrat/Liberal-like or, GOP/Conservative like?

He was a crossdressing bi-sexual who married a man. Yes, please let us compare Americans to Romans. Liberals are like the Roman filth that raped Judea and Judeans. Yes, yes, let us turn the pages of history for comparison.
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Bang! Finally; a good liberal.

I bet you think the only good indian is a dead indian don't you.
My daughter bears a great "American-Indian" name. You are barking uo the wrong tree as usual. Open-minded people do not stay liberals.
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If the Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Democrats would have been able to bend just a little bit and embrace morality and care about real families the whole revolution could have been avoided. After all the whole thing started because the Decent American citizens even though they were considered idiots and fundies were being heavily taxed while at the same time they were given no representation in education and the courts.

Wow John you are really going around the bend tonight aren't you.
If you cannot refute my points babble away Wyvern. Just proves the point about liberals.
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Notice if you will that the pompous elite leftist liberal looks exactly like the British rule over the decent colonists, and did not learn from American history. Of course they can't because it has been subject to revisionism so badly anything American supportive is seen as hate speech, discrimination and homophobia.

Face it John, america is an inclusive society, not everyone can or even wants to be a WASP. Simply because you are upset that you actually have to pay your servants and can't even beat or call them names anymore shouldn't be a reason to be angry. America is for everyone not just elitists like you.
That diatribe was not only without substance, it was sad and pathetic as a rebuttal of any kind. Thank you for validating the level of integrity it takes to attempt to support liberalsm. Almost a perfect Air America valueless scream.
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You mean like they way Democrats used to be the conservative and now are wacked out leftist socialists believing in taxation so high we may as well call them by their real name: Commie?

I hope you understand that your attitude isn't very constructive, but I understand you're being emotional. Republicans cut taxes and increase spending and hope they get out of office before they are forced to fix the mess they make. Don't worry I understand you can no longer view reality.
Ah insult from a leftist. Typical, commonplace and the only stance left for the Left.
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Or like the way the Kennedy's can screw and kill women and still be re-elected time after time after time? Or, shall we mention how many unborn female children that grow up to be women have been slaughtered in liberal sponsered abortion mills?

Ahh thats right justify one behavior by showing others do it too. How can an unborn child grow up to be an adult? Tsk, tsk and all this is coming from a person that has chided others for being emotional.
Is that rhetoric have anything to do with the fact that Liberals kill children by millions in supporting abortion as a birth control method? Many of those unborn children my have grown up to be feminists. But then again hypocrite and Liberal are interchangeable words.
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Really? How many hip-hop "artists" and their fans consider themselves liberals?

I bet a lot more of them consider themselves conservatives, especially the more successful ones, you should be happy they mostly are trying to be good capitalists. Haven't you noticed that many songs in the genre is devoted to amassing money?
I only notice how many fatherless children chanting hip-hop and rap music are in the crimnal court systems.

The shame of being a Liberal can only be carried by people that scream so loud at others that they can no longer feel guilt. A typical day on Air America or in the New York Times.

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Major?
catastrophic!


Evolution is a great fairy tale. Fun to read about, get tested on, get a passing grade and then go live in the real world.
Your a good example, Christianity has to much pride invested in the ancient writings of men, holy men, some more holy then others. Man is as much as a million years old, that's why we keep digging up their bones all over the planet. Genesis is the fairy tale (based on real events) but distorted in oral tradition. The Hebrews had no common written language prior to 900 BC so all stories were transferred by oral tradition.
Judaism? What "is" Judaism?
That's the religion that was looking for a material Messiah for their material world (as taught by their book The Torah). When a spiritual deliverer came establishing a spiritual kingdom in the hearts of man instead.....well, they killed him......so they thought.

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Major?


catastrophic!


I've heard that myth once or twice. Or a million times. Still plenty of Christians and Jews around with high levels of education and degrees.
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Evolution is a great fairy tale. Fun to read about, get tested on, get a passing grade and then go live in the real world.

Your a good example, Christianity has to much pride invested in the ancient writings of men, holy men, some more holy then others.
Ancient writings? have you ever been to a modern-day book store? Confidence is not necessarily derived from pride. Just in testing all things you start laughing at anti-Christians.
Man is as much as a million years old, that's why we keep digging up their bones all over the planet. Genesis is the fairy tale (based on real events) but distorted in oral tradition.
Oh, is that what Genesisi is. Well I'll throw away the hundreds and hundreds of books I have on religions, social institutions and civilizations. Geez thanks. Now I can register Democrat and relax my mind now.
The Hebrews had no common written language prior to 900 BC so all stories were transferred by oral tradition.
So you label them liars why?
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Judaism? What "is" Judaism?

That's the religion that was looking for a material Messiah for their material world (as taught by their book The Torah). When a spiritual deliverer came establishing a spiritual kingdom in the hearts of man instead.....well, they killed him......so they thought.


Should I run that opinion by an orthodox Rabbi and see if he agrees with you. I'm thinking, he's not going to.

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John2_26,

At the very heart of the matter you and I are on the same sheet of music, Jesus Christ is the son of the living God....in fact the embodiment of the father incarnate in the flesh.

I'm not on an anti Christian campaign, I'm all about facing the truth and being willing to change just as the apostles had to throw out some very cherished beliefs.


So you label them liars why?
Liers is your word not mine. The age of the Babylonian captivity was a far different time from this age and surely none of the OT editors from the "priest class" ever considered that some future generation would consider their writings inspired by God himself.

The common people heard Jesus gladly, It was the corrupt priest class that conspired to kill christ just as they rejected and killed so many of Gods messengers before them.

You think that it is not possible for there to be some.....well, :whistle: ......chosen people bias in the scripture yet they could put Jesus on trial on trumped up charges even have the son of God killed? :-k


Should I run that opinion by an orthodox Rabbi and see if he agrees with you. I'm thinking, he's not going to.
Go right ahead, they've had 2,000 years to review the record and still reject Jesus based on their conclusions from the PERFECT record of the OT. Jesus, according to Jews was not the JEWISH Messiah...and they are correct, he was not according to their evolved concept of him.



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1John2_26 wrote:
*High taxes - Did you know that Massachusetts is ranked 28th in state and local tax burden?
There are fifty states. Did you know that? The hypocrisy of Massachusetts is creepy to say the least. The state that keeps reelecting Ted Kennedy and a state that teaches elementary children to march in Gay Pride poarades and then wants to preach civil rights to America.
As you have demonstrated a certain fondness for using Massachusetts and Ted Kennedy as examples for liberalism, I thought I would do the same. Speaking of Kennedy, I just thought I'd remind you that he isn't going anywhere. His job is set for as long as he wants it. The people of Massachusetts won't remove a senator with his experience, connections, leadership and skill. Bashing him is completely futile; you have zero control over his electability.

While we're on the subject of politicians who may not have a spotless personal life, let's discuss Newt Gingrich. While he was bashing Clinton for his adultery and lack of family values, he was having an affair with Callista Bisek. And you know what? I'd still take Newt over Bush any day of the week. When you vote for a politician, you're hiring someone to do a job. While I don't agree with Newt on a lot of issues, I think that he's got the leadership ability, communication skills, and intelligence to be a competent president.
1John2_26 wrote:
*Public funding for methadone clinics Yep sounds liberal. I don't know how other states work, but the clinics in Massachusetts not only provide methadone as a treatment for heroin addiction, they also have mandatory weekly counseling and random drug tests. Not only does this cost less than jail, it allows families to remain intact and provides treatment.
Prevention is even cheaper.
How do you prevent heroin addiction, and how much does it cost?
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*Public funding for abortion clinics Yep I'd agree this is a liberal issue.
Murder is murder. Democrats use the term safe, and rare and legal but cannot stand abstinence education. Abortion for convenience is sickening and insidious. It is murder to wipe away complicity and guilt. Two words that are not liked in Liberal circles.
I'll not turn this thread into an abortion thread, but I suspect most democrats have no problem with abstinence education as long as information about birth control, STDs, and the biology of the reproductive system is also provided. But it looks like even if it was part of the democratic platform to try to overrule abstinence education, most people wouldn't object.
* A 58 to 42 percent majority of all adults do not believe that abstinence programs are effective in reducing or preventing HIV/AIDS.
* A 65 to 35 percent majority do not believe that these programs have been effective in preventing or reducing unwanted pregnancies.

Differences by party

There are substantial differences in attitudes toward abstinence programs among political parties. Although Republicans are more likely to see them as effective, majorities, regardless of political affiliation, do not think abstinence programs are effective in reducing or preventing extra-marital sex or unwanted pregnancies. Furthermore, while clear majorities of Democrats and Independents think these programs have not been effective in reducing or preventing HIV/AIDS, Republicans are equally divided as to whether or not they think they have been effective.
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