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How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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Many NASA scientists think we're on the verge of finding alien life.

Ellen Stofan, NASA's former chief scientist, said in 2015 that she believes we'll get "strong indications of life beyond Earth in the next decade and definitive evidence in the next 10 to 20 years."

Many astrophysicists and astronomers are convinced that it's not a matter of if we'll find life — it's when.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-pl ... de-2019-11

Questions for debate:
- How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?
- What empirical evidence is there that any extraterrestrial life exists?
- What are the implications if extraterrestrial life exists or do not exist?

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Re: How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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Clownboat wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:05 pmTake all powerful and all loving for example. Would an all powerful God create imperfect humans that it at one time called perfect?
That is not what, at least one religion, teaches. The doctrine of the fall tells that perfect spirits misused their freedom and descended into 'veils of matter' as Origen called it. I don't recall any teaching that God created imperfect humans.

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Re: How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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marke wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 4:14 am The evidence of God is the fact of the universe and life on earth,
Surely you see that our universe formed from fairy farts coalescing in space!
In reality, the universe is evidence that there is a universe. You pretend it means more, but you are just trying to justify a preconceived religious belief and cannot be taken seriously because you are not being logical about it because a universe does not mean there is a god, just that there is a universe.
which no other theory of origin is even close to being scientific or rational.
Whatever you say! :roll:
Look what happens when we use science on your preferred god concept.
We cannot directly observe this god concept (like black holes at one time), but there are claims made about this god concept that could be hypothesized about.
Take all powerful and all loving for example. Would an all powerful God create imperfect humans that it at one time called perfect? Would a loving God kill of all life on earth, less a handful of humans and two of most animals when this concept is also all powerful? I could go on and on, but at some point we must have a working hypothesis and the claims about this god concept are not logical when we test for them.

Therefore, we have a working theory for black holes, but not the claims made on behalf of your god concept (nor aliens for that matter).
Why did you fail to offer your critique of this?

I ask because it was you that said: "As far as I know there is no scientific evidence proving or disproving God or aliens."
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mgb wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 6:20 am
Clownboat wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 2:05 pmTake all powerful and all loving for example. Would an all powerful God create imperfect humans that it at one time called perfect?
That is not what, at least one religion, teaches. The doctrine of the fall tells that perfect spirits misused their freedom and descended into 'veils of matter' as Origen called it. I don't recall any teaching that God created imperfect humans.
I take no issue with what you don't know or recall.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

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Clownboat wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 3:06 pm
marke wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 4:14 am The evidence of God is the fact of the universe and life on earth,
Surely you see that our universe formed from fairy farts coalescing in space!
In reality, the universe is evidence that there is a universe. You pretend it means more, but you are just trying to justify a preconceived religious belief and cannot be taken seriously because you are not being logical about it because a universe does not mean there is a god, just that there is a universe.
which no other theory of origin is even close to being scientific or rational.
Whatever you say! :roll:
Look what happens when we use science on your preferred god concept.
We cannot directly observe this god concept (like black holes at one time), but there are claims made about this god concept that could be hypothesized about.
Take all powerful and all loving for example. Would an all powerful God create imperfect humans that it at one time called perfect? Would a loving God kill of all life on earth, less a handful of humans and two of most animals when this concept is also all powerful? I could go on and on, but at some point we must have a working hypothesis and the claims about this god concept are not logical when we test for them.

Therefore, we have a working theory for black holes, but not the claims made on behalf of your god concept (nor aliens for that matter).
Why did you fail to offer your critique of this?

I ask because it was you that said: "As far as I know there is no scientific evidence proving or disproving God or aliens."

Marke: Forming unprovable debatable theories about the origin of the universe does not prove the Biblical record is wrong.

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Re: How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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marke wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 6:12 am
Clownboat wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 3:06 pm
marke wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 4:14 am The evidence of God is the fact of the universe and life on earth,
Surely you see that our universe formed from fairy farts coalescing in space!
In reality, the universe is evidence that there is a universe. You pretend it means more, but you are just trying to justify a preconceived religious belief and cannot be taken seriously because you are not being logical about it because a universe does not mean there is a god, just that there is a universe.
which no other theory of origin is even close to being scientific or rational.
Whatever you say! :roll:
Look what happens when we use science on your preferred god concept.
We cannot directly observe this god concept (like black holes at one time), but there are claims made about this god concept that could be hypothesized about.
Take all powerful and all loving for example. Would an all powerful God create imperfect humans that it at one time called perfect? Would a loving God kill of all life on earth, less a handful of humans and two of most animals when this concept is also all powerful? I could go on and on, but at some point we must have a working hypothesis and the claims about this god concept are not logical when we test for them.

Therefore, we have a working theory for black holes, but not the claims made on behalf of your god concept (nor aliens for that matter).
Why did you fail to offer your critique of this?

I ask because it was you that said: "As far as I know there is no scientific evidence proving or disproving God or aliens."

Marke: Forming unprovable debatable theories about the origin of the universe does not prove the Biblical record is wrong.
Correct, other things have done that.
Be well.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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Re: How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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Before someone can find extraterrestrial life, don't they need to know what they're looking for, so they don't pass it by?

"I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD"
-- the extraterrestrial spiritual-Being known here on Earth as Christ (ref.: John 8:14)

And similarly, doesn't someone have to be actively seeking to be able to find?

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek Me, and find [Me], when ye shall search for Me with ALL your heart.

Matthew 7:7-8
7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

The Bible is literally replete with references to extraterrestrials and their spacecraft, e.g.

- the spacecraft that the Israelites followed for 40 years through the wilderness;

- the spacecraft that took Elijah up, referred to as "a chariot of fire";

- the spacecraft described in Ezekiel 1, commonly referred to as "Ezekiel's wheels";

- the spacecraft that led the wise men for two years on their journey to meet Jesus;

- the spacecraft that took Christ-Jesus up, commonly referred to as "the ascension"; and

- the coming "mother-ship" referred to as "the New Jerusalem", which will pick up "the Elect"*.

The July 1947 UFO "crash" in Roswell, New Mexico, was sent as a sign of the Second Coming of Christ in a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a new name (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12), 9 months later on April 22, 1948, in fulfillment of the "fig-tree" prophecy (Matt. 24:32-34).

Since then, there have been numerous sightings of alien/extraterrestrial spacecraft, to prepare the world for the coming "mother-ship" referred to in Revelation 21 as "the new Jerusalem".

We are definitely not alone.

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Re: How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

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[Replying to A Freeman in post #206]
You have a very colorful take on the Bible.

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