Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

[McCulloch]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA. I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy. They believe that their religious views and values should be forced on everyone, with the backing of law, so they cannot understand how the gay rights advocates could really only want equal rights and toleration.

[Goat]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

This sounds like 'We can't keep on restricting their rights, are they going to retaliate' type of reasoning.

I have yet to see any reason to think that Christians will be forced to marry people of the same gender or have gay sex.

[Solon]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

I hear various iterations of this question from several places these days. Normally I shrug and move on, but I think I'll engage here.

What, specifically, are you concerned with? By this I mean, what laws or institutions do you believe will be set up to enforce "Gay Culture" on Christian life?

By gay sex, do you mean literally forcing Christians to engage in homosexual sex acts (which I think is how some will take that statement if not modified), or do you mean in some other way? If in some other way, please explain.

[Mere_Christian]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA.

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrianed gaining power and control over the popualce and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children. Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be. The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense. Christians keep warning society of the consequences of a hedonistic and lascivious culture and our world keeps getting sicker and sicker as it gets more and more secularized.

They believe that their religious views and values should be forced on everyone, with the backing of law, so they cannot understand how the gay rights advocates could really only want equal rights and toleration.

I believe out of experience in the real world, that gay rights is being driven by sick and twisted pederasts. male and female. And once homosexuality is the equal of normal decency, they demons will run all over society. EVEN if you want to use the word demons as a metaphor, reality shows that lasciviousness is sickness to a populace.

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can, and that secularists do not seem of the moral capacity to stop it. Actually that is already happening in our schools and entertainment venues.

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

This sounds like 'We can't keep on restricting their rights, are they going to retaliate' type of reasoning.

Pure logic. But retaliate on our children.

I have yet to see any reason to think that Christians will be forced to marry people of the same gender or have gay sex.

How long before our proper sermons condemning gay sex and homosexuals are outlawed and our tax exepmt status is attacked by gays and their anti-Christian supporters?

Ever noticed how much support "Gay Christians" get from the crowd of anti-Christians these days?

Interesting.

Powers and Principalities so.

[McCulloch]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA.

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

There is nothing dangerous with gay sex per se. What is dangerous is unprotected sex with multiple partners.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage. Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And here I was thinking that our freedoms are a good thing!

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrained gaining power and control over the populace and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children. Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

Presumably you mean the walls of sexual purity or the walls against sexual permissiveness. How about a couple examples of the sexually unrestrained who have gained power and use that to victimize poor people's children?

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong. It violates human rights. However, there is nothing morally wrong with lasciviousness.

The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense.

So, logically, the Christians oppose gay marriage, where consenting adults contract a monogamous relationship, because to them homosexuals are all perverts looking for children to abuse. Perhaps you should stop fighting a first century problem in the twenty-first century!

Christians keep warning society of the consequences of a hedonistic and lascivious culture and our world keeps getting sicker and sicker as it gets more and more secularized.

Our world is not getting sicker and sicker, morally. Secularization has moved us forward with regard to human rights.

They believe that their religious views and values should be forced on everyone, with the backing of law, so they cannot understand how the gay rights advocates could really only want equal rights and toleration.

I believe out of experience in the real world, that gay rights is being driven by sick and twisted pederasts. male and female. And once homosexuality is the equal of normal decency, they demons will run all over society. EVEN if you want to use the word demons as a metaphor, reality shows that lasciviousness is sickness to a populace.

Do you have anything other than your revelation from God to support such an allegation?

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can, and that secularists do not seem of the moral capacity to stop it. Actually that is already happening in our schools and entertainment venues.

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

Humanists that oppose Christians and Christianity know that Christians will recruit their children in every way they they can, and that liberals do not seem to have the moral capacity to stop it.

[micatala]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA.

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

There is nothing dangerous with gay sex per se. What is dangerous is unprotected sex with multiple partners.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage. Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

And again, as noted by Solon, we need to here what the alleged dangers are, not a laundry list of unspecified innuendos.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And here I was thinking that our freedoms are a good thing!

I would also point out that this country was originally populated by people who were escaping from theocracies.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong. It violates human rights. However, there is nothing morally wrong with lasciviousness.

I would personally disagree with the latter statement.

However, it needs to be pointed out that, to the extent lasciviousness is increasing or is a problem, it is not the fault of gays. The heterosexuals are doing quite fine all on their own in 'sexualizing' the popular culture.

The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense.

So, logically, the Christians oppose gay marriage, where consenting adults contract a monogamous relationship, because to them homosexuals are all perverts looking for children to abuse. Perhaps you should stop fighting a first century problem in the twenty-first century!

Even if there were any historical support for Mere_Christian's assertion, I fail to see how allowing gay marriage means we also have to allow pederasty (defined as relationships involving under age individuals).

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can, and that secularists do not seem of the moral capacity to stop it. Actually that is already happening in our schools and entertainment venues.

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

I fully support efforts to keep adults from sexually preying on children, whether the adults are gay or not.

I fail to see how this requires banning gay marriage.

[Mere_Christian]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA.

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

There is nothing dangerous with gay sex per se. What is dangerous is unprotected sex with multiple partners.

Depression and jealousy are also deadly conditions. As is the pandemic of STD's and of course abortion is almost always fatal to the person being D&C'd out of their mothers body. The rise of homosexuals is an indication of how perverse the society has become. This is a direct fault if liberalism/progressiveism/humanism. The people that hail themselves the enlightened.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage.

Alledged? Youy must never go out in the real world. Although TV is about as Sodom and Gomorrah as it gets.

Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

Will Christians be protected. This thread is about the rule of the sexually perverse over those that loathe them and preach and teach against them. That includes the gay versus Christian war going on.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And here I was thinking that our freedoms are a good thing!

Sexual freedom comes with a lot of perps victimizing the young. EVEN, in the Church. How do we get them out and lebal them properly when they will have power to legislate law.

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrained gaining power and control over the populace and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children. Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

Presumably you mean the walls of sexual purity or the walls against sexual permissiveness. How about a couple examples of the sexually unrestrained who have gained power and use that to victimize poor people's children?

Liberal and Progressive Democrats. The sex-slave trade, porn and brothels are thriving in secularville known as Europe.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong.

Pederasts rights are up next. Follow the history brook road. Also of course civil war as well.

It violates human rights.

It's all according to who is in power now doesn't it. With the rise of progressive (Humanism) power comesd the incredible spread of sexually transmitted horror.

However, there is nothing morally wrong with lasciviousness.

Your view is to be expected. At least your out in the open about it.

The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense.

So, logically, the Christians oppose gay marriage, where consenting adults contract a monogamous relationship, because to them homosexuals are all perverts looking for children to abuse.

That would be observable by the Yes on Prop 8 supporters and why they do what they do. And also, why Christians must be eliminateed from social and political influence. Of course.

Perhaps you should stop fighting a first century problem in the twenty-first century!

Hmm, gay clubs in schools run by adult gay orgs sure look very 21st century pederasty to me. Ahh, but what the heck about reality huh.

Christians keep warning society of the consequences of a hedonistic and lascivious culture and our world keeps getting sicker and sicker as it gets more and more secularized.

Our world is not getting sicker and sicker, morally. Secularization has moved us forward with regard to human rights.

Uh, yeah. OK. You and I will go strolling togteher in Detroit or Chicago in the poor parts of the cities after dusk. And of course little boys and little girls are gathering around the dinner table with MOM and DAD as that sun goes down eh?

This world is debauched by secularism. Just own up to that. Humanism is an utter failure at building better morality.

They believe that their religious views and values should be forced on everyone, with the backing of law, so they cannot understand how the gay rights advocates could really only want equal rights and toleration.

I believe out of experience in the real world, that gay rights is being driven by sick and twisted pederasts. male and female. And once homosexuality is the equal of normal decency, they demons will run all over society. EVEN if you want to use the word demons as a metaphor, reality shows that lasciviousness is sickness to a populace.

Do you have anything other than your revelation from God to support such an allegation?

I need know revelation from God to prove what is happening to our youth cultute and therefore our future here in westernland. MTV and HBO are more than showing us what to expect as fatherless children become parents.

Look up the term "turned out" in any gay slang dictionary.

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can, and that secularists do not seem of the moral capacity to stop it. Actually that is already happening in our schools and entertainment venues.

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

You must be unattractive. I literally had to run away from some of my "gay friends." No was just a word meaning you need to be more high.

Humanists that oppose Christians and Christianity know that Christians will recruit their children in every way they they can, and that liberals do not seem to have the moral capacity to stop it.

That is true. Christians desire very much so to show humanism as the ractual religion of satan. That is actually what I am doing in my upcoming classes.

From John Dewey to GSA's, out of control teen pregnancies and pron as pop culture. It's very observable a history. Humanism is to me as evil as it gets. Literally. Provably, literally. Man as his own king and ruler? We see what that has wrought on us before and now.

I am in no way ignorant of the demise of Godliness in our culture and to who and what is causing it. And it isn't the fundy Christians. I just want to hold the secularist's feet to their own fire with this "tolerance for diversity" doctrine and dogma they preach as absolute and unchangeable truth. If Christians are allowed to speak, then people will get saved. Saved from a world that has few moral limits and excuses away those that violate even those.

Ah but the best part is, that even through the coming persecution of Christians by the educated elite (liberalism-progressive) as was was seen in Nazi (National Socialism) Germany just a few short decades ago, we'll still be able to reach those that want escape from even the horror of horrors that the western mind has all but forgotten. Even a demon knows what Christ is for.

Don't think I am not excited to interact with Anti-Christians, I am. I feel like Lot talking with his Sodomian neighbors.

[byofrcs]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

The best way to resist Gay culture is to be an uncultured slob. Don't clean up, don't wash, dress in unsightly clothing. Gay's love culture and the arts and are clean and tidy. I know it's a stereotype but I'm generalising here.

The best way to resist gay sex is to just say no. Ok, it always depends upon the person but you have much less chance of being raped by a man as a man then you would have being raped by a man as a women in Christian societies. Much much less chance. And you won't get pregnant and they'll probably use a condom.