Iowas Decision

[micatala]

As you may have seen, the Iowa Supreme Court has legalized gay marriage.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/articl ... S/90403010

The ruling is not up for appeal, and the legislative avenue for turning this back will be difficult and time consuming, with no possibility for a voter recall until 2012.


Questions for debate:

1) How much does this bolster the case in the U.S. agains gay marriage bans?

2) Is this a blip, or a signal of the tide turning?

A couple of snippets from the judges:

Friday’s decision also addressed what it called the “religious undercurrent propelling the same-sex marriage debate� and said judges must remain outside the fray.

“Our constitution does not permit any branch of government to resolve these types of religious debates and entrusts to courts the task of ensuring that government avoids them,� Cady wrote.

“This approach does not disrespect or denigrate the religious views of many Iowans who may strongly believe in marriage as a dual-gender union, but considers, as we must, only the constitutional rights of all people, as expressed by the promise of equal protection for all.�

I will try to post a link to the full decision. As another question for debate, we could consider the quality of this decision. Is this "judicial activism run amok" or is this another "Brown versus Board of Ed" ruling in which the judiciary stands up for minority rights that the majority is unwilling to bestow?

[Mere_Christian]

From Page 8 Post 78:

His opinion. Now will Christians be forced to live under it? With the Gay Indoctrination Bill (Hate Crimes Legislation), will Christians go the way of the Jewish citizenry of 20th century Germany?

If all else fails, Godwin!

You can use that chide if you want to, but we have rapidly gone from the sixties hippies to Roe v. Wade to uber perversions being pop culture. And now of course we're at "gay marriage."

This is a ludicrous connection to make, and indicates the lengths folks will go to scare folks into an irrational belief (here that gays are somehow less deserving of our love and respect).

It seems the very logical connection to make. Gays and Christians are dead set enemies. Gays are now the heroes and Christians are now the bad guys.

Of course.

One can only hope that sensible people rise up to keep the Gay Agenda from taking a vice grip over (religious) society. As history has shown it does. Nero and Hadrian anyone?

Oh please. Gay folks just want to be recognized as human beings.

Bathroom and bathhouse behavior disagrees with your assertion.

This whole fear of "oppression of religion" reeks of the tantrum of a majority whose ideas are no longer considered, much less accepted.

How laughable a statment. We've seen the rise of these kinds of people throughout the history of the Church. Including atheists and humanists. Neologism dictates a new brand name, but on the same product really. I've never cared at all about gay life until "they" started spreading it as if it were just another form of culture in our public schools. I have had enough of that.

The demise of a civilization is underway. Step three.

Then let's hope that civilization falls on top of the broken bodies of the oppressors!

Bye bye Hollywood then. And The Left.

And now we know how Sodom and Gomorrah got the way they did.

Can you offer verifiable evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah even existed?

I'm quite OK with seeing them as a mataphor for things like say gay marriage rising to become acceptable in a culture that sees sexuality as a popular past time. Once the slaughter of the purely defenseless became a law, then every other sexual sickness was open for business 24/7.

The poor and the needy the widow and the orphan are getting crushed by the common rise of typical hedonism. The youth are those most effected. It's an old story.


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From Page 8 Post 79:

The puzzling thing to me is how people that claim to be enlightened free thinkers using logic and science can support modern-liberalism and the Humanism that has infected it.

By cleansing themselves the religious infections of old.

Decadence, hedonism, and lascivious licentious religions. You won't find them on the Right. But we are seeing them rise to power on the Left.

Here we Rome again.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Page 9 Post 81:

You can use that chide if you want to, but we have rapidly gone from the sixties hippies to Roe v. Wade to uber perversions being pop culture. And now of course we're at "gay marriage."

You offer nothing other than your own opinion about what constitutes "perversion". The changing attitudes regarding gay marriage indicate these types of arguments are being soundly rejected.

It seems the very logical connection to make. Gays and Christians are dead set enemies. Gays are now the heroes and Christians are now the bad guys.

Of course.

This kind of language is sad. I feel sorry for anyone who hates another simply because who they seek to find love with.

I notice very often it is the most 'fringe' element of a given political or religious belief that chooses to use such violent, hateful language.

Bathroom and bathhouse behavior disagrees with your assertion.

The increased acceptance of gays as humans indicates it is more your assertions that are being rejected. Fortunately folks are coming to realize that demonizing an entire sector of society is no more rational than the beliefs that inform such demonization.

This whole fear of "oppression of religion" reeks of the tantrum of a majority whose ideas are no longer considered, much less accepted.

How laughable a statment. We've seen the rise of these kinds of people throughout the history of the Church. Including atheists and humanists. Neologism dictates a new brand name, but on the same product really. I've never cared at all about gay life until "they" started spreading it as if it were just another form of culture in our public schools. I have had enough of that.

But this time organized religion does not have the ability to go about killing, torturing, jailing, or otherwise silencing those who do not accept its oppressive ideology.

Then let's hope that civilization falls on top of the broken bodies of the oppressors!

Bye bye Hollywood then. And The Left.

I'll let the observer make their own determination of whether your statement here falls in line with my statement regarding tantrums.

Can you offer verifiable evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah even existed?

I'm quite OK with seeing them as a mataphor...

You must be, you offer no evidence for your many claims.

Decadence, hedonism, and lascivious licentious religions.

This is exactly the kind of language so many folks are rejecting as the ranting of "wingnuts" incapable of formulating a coherent argument, other than to rant about how all of society is doomed unless "we go back to the old ways".

Your opinion is noted. It is also being rejected by more and more folks, both within and without religion.

[kayky]

You can use that chide if you want to, but we have rapidly gone from the sixties hippies to Roe v. Wade to uber perversions being pop culture. And now of course we're at "gay marriage."

Life just isn't the same for white, Protestant men.

It seems the very logical connection to make. Gays and Christians are dead set enemies. Gays are now the heroes and Christians are now the bad guys.

Of course.

I am a Christian, and I do not view Gay people as my enemy. Besides, didn't Jesus teach us to love our enemies? Christianity is not the problem. Intolerance is the problem.

Oh please. Gay folks just want to be recognized as human beings.

Bathroom and bathhouse behavior disagrees with your assertion.

And then we have heterosexuals buying prostitutes and engaging in promiscious sex. And then we have homosexuals who have been in monogamous, lifetime committed relationships.

How laughable a statment. We've seen the rise of these kinds of people throughout the history of the Church. Including atheists and humanists. Neologism dictates a new brand name, but on the same product really. I've never cared at all about gay life until "they" started spreading it as if it were just another form of culture in our public schools. I have had enough of that.

It really doesn't matter, you know, what you've had enough of.

Bye bye Hollywood then. And The Left.

Rush Limbaugh for President!

Decadence, hedonism, and lascivious licentious religions. You won't find them on the Right. But we are seeing them rise to power on the Left.

Here we Rome again.

What is this decadent, hedonistic, lascivious, licentious, leftest religion you speak of?

[JoeyKnothead]

Christianity is not the problem. Intolerance is the problem.

Among the rest of her excellent post, Miss kayky hits the nail right square on the head.

Well said ma'am.