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Agenda 21 and Atheism

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In the thread Atheists/Non Christians/Agnostics a conversation between myself and arian brought up the question of Agenda 21.
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Furrowed Brow wrote:
arian wrote:What? Have you seen the demands atheists wrote up in 'Agenda 21' regarding Sustainability?
Agenda 21 is not atheism, and atheism is not Agenda 21. I do not support Agenda 21, but I'd have to say the present capitalist system based on infinite growth is unsustainable, and what is unsustainable cannot be sustained.
Oh yes it's atheism, and evolutionism, nazism, socialism, backed and supported by all the other religions of the world.
I said I am not an advocate of Agenda 21 because I have not studied it in any great detail. I am mainly aware of Agenda 21 through alternative media outlets that seem to fear and loathe it for the same kinds of reasons arian throws up. I believe I know enough to feel secure in saying it is not atheism. But maybe I am wrong. Let's see!

Here is the Agenda 21 website.

Questions 1: is Agenda 21 atheism or in any way an atheistic inspired programme as arian suggests? (If you answer yes please be specific and where possible quote Agenda 21 to give examples of how this programme is atheistic.)
Question 2: is Agenda 21 a bad thing? Should we be worrying about it in the way some alternative media suggests?

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Re: Agenda 21 and Atheism

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DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 68 by arian]

I have lost count of how many distinctly different conspiracy theories your mish mashing together. Here is what I can rationally deduce from your writing

1. This is satire, to make a comical point against what your statements purport.
As my brother Paul the Apostle, I use any and every means possible to turn you guys back to your senses and reveal the truth of the danger you are promoting with this Agenda 21. I use the Encyclopedia the Bible, but that seems to offend, so I use satire which usually is more accepted to make known the deception mankind has been led into.
DanieltheDragon wrote:2. You actually believe this making you either
a. gullible
b. irrational
c. paranoid
d. paranoid delusional
e. all of the above
Or how about this? "You actually believing in Agenda 21 has made you":
a. gullible
b. irrational
c. paranoid
d. paranoid delusional
e. all of the above

I am inclined to 'all of the above'.

scenario 1

1. "In 1968 the Environmental Movement (Club of Rome which specializes in crisis creation) at the UN came together to formulate multiple-crisis so horrendous that it would have no choice but to unite the world in accepting their pre-planned One World Order, Agenda 21. These inhuman and hideous conspiracies have created malnutrition, starvation, AIDS, cancer and other deadly and cripling diseases through inoculations, water poisonings, chem-trails of deadly poisons in our air, antibiotic fed pork, beef, chicken, and by declaring 'nutrition' as a toxin that is hazardous to our health, they introduced Generically Modified corn and other crops that removes 'nutrition' from them."
DanieltheDragon wrote: which addresses, .. I am inclined to scenario 1
arian wrote:It is just another man-made book of "We Know What's Best For You, .. Trust Us! Remember resistance is futile, so either you're for us, or against us. If your against us, remember all the surveillance, .. we know who you are. So just one word: DRONES!"

... Agenda 21-prophets are the same people who misinterpret the Bible, they create religions using the Bible and enforce their own doctrines on the people. Their idea is to hold the Bible in one hand, and steal, lie, murder, and cheat with the other.
... Madonna, to Lady Gaga, Beyonce JZ, little hump-everything you touch-around you Miley Cyrus, .. should I go on?
... nurses killing people after hospitalization
Yes, .. and?
DanieltheDragon wrote:see each of these quotes are implicit of humor, especially this gem
arian wrote:We will provide them a place to live, what they can eat, how much they can eat, what they should listen to (Lady Gaga) and watch (vampire/zombie movies with 'cancer awareness commercials in-between so when it is time for them to be put-down,
:lol:
You may find this funny, and maybe even profitable I don't know, .. but I don't. I don't find it funny to plan the extermination of 6.5 billion people in the next few years funny. I don't think the choice to exterminate the dark-population first by injecting them with viruses and killing 35 million of them, and infecting 70 million others is funny either.

Now I do find it funny to see Bill Gates in Africa actually doing some of the injections to black children himself, since this Agenda is to exterminate Jews first. So yes that is funny, and this proves that no matter how much money someone has, it does not, and cannot make him wise. Oh well, he will learn soon, just as everyone else will.

Also, have you seen the new laws just passed about cooking oils?
Who pushed and convinced the people to eat Genetically modified spreadable plastic that tastes like butter? Remember all the commercials; "I can't believe it's not butter?" over all these years? "Oh, it's so much healtyer for you than that bad butter!"
And now in the name of Agenda 21, it is no longer legal to buy, sell or consume these fake-oils.
Now that is funny, .. "Oh Great Agenda 21 Prophets, thank you for taking tasty spreadable plastic from our menu, .. you guys are so righteous, what else do you ask of us oh great ones? Salt, .. sugar, .. our children, or our lives? Name it, we join your religion with all our heart and bow to the Dragon that controls the Beast. Come Lady gaga and let's celebrate, .. sing to us our Lady, .. sing to us that our children with raised hands, screaming could worship you! Let us behold and admire your humping nakedness!"

Signed X Agenda 21 and atheism.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root.

Henry D. Thoreau

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Re: Agenda 21 and Atheism

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[Replying to post 70 by arian]
so I use satire
It's quality stuff lots of effort :D

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DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 70 by arian]
so I use satire
It's quality stuff lots of effort :D
Thanks my friend, but no effort really, the biggest effort is holding back all the other relevant things I am inclined to say. First hand things, .. things I have witnessed and lived through in my life.

I am grateful you enjoy my posts, .. who knows, it might even wake somebody up, .. right?

What I'm really afraid of for humanity is this:

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

If we compared today to Noah's time, I'd say we are at the stage where the boat was all done and Noah was stocking up with food for the animals and his family.

If we compare it to Lot, .. I'd say it would be when the two Angels pulled Lot out of danger and blinded the men of the city before they retired for the night.

So sleep tight, because that Glorious Morning is soon approaching.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root.

Henry D. Thoreau

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If we compared today to Noah's time, I'd say we are at the stage where the boat was all done and Noah was stocking up with food for the animals and his family.
I think the modern world is probably a more 'genteel' and civilised place than it has ever been.

Sex, alcohol and violent crime aren't new inventions - they have always been part of normal life. The behaviour we expect of our Popes, presidents and royalty is positively saintly compared to what they got up to in the past (even if we ignore what many Roman Emperors thought was a good time), and if drug and drinks is a problem today, it pales compared to the scale of the social problems portrayed by Hogarth.

Elizabeth I was considered fastidious bather - once a quarter or so. We don't dispose of toilet waste by throwing it in street any more. Mugging is nothing new, but muggers used to be called 'footpads'. London used to be known as the prostitution capital of the world at a time we erroneously imagine was dominated by Victorian prudeness.

Until recently, life for most people was 'nasty, brutal and short' and 'civilisation' did not reach far down the social scale. If God did not bring down his wrath on the past, he has little reason to do so now.

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keithprosser3 wrote:
If we compared today to Noah's time, I'd say we are at the stage where the boat was all done and Noah was stocking up with food for the animals and his family.
I think the modern world is probably a more 'genteel' and civilised place than it has ever been.

Sex, alcohol and violent crime aren't new inventions - they have always been part of normal life. The behaviour we expect of our Popes, presidents and royalty is positively saintly compared to what they got up to in the past (even if we ignore what many Roman Emperors thought was a good time), and if drug and drinks is a problem today, it pales compared to the scale of the social problems portrayed by Hogarth.

Elizabeth I was considered fastidious bather - once a quarter or so. We don't dispose of toilet waste by throwing it in street any more. Mugging is nothing new, but muggers used to be called 'footpads'. London used to be known as the prostitution capital of the world at a time we erroneously imagine was dominated by Victorian prudeness.

Until recently, life for most people was 'nasty, brutal and short' and 'civilisation' did not reach far down the social scale. If God did not bring down his wrath on the past, he has little reason to do so now.
All we did was a 'face-lift' on corruption. We created, like you said "a more 'genteel' and civilised place than it has ever been". Back then it was the filthy Ol' pub in town, now it is called the 'Gentleman's Club'.
Back then you may have been robbed after you got paid and staggering out of the Pub on you way home, but even that, it happened seldom.

Today we don't even see getting robbed, it comes right out of our checks, then the marble tiled Bank takes the rest of our money. OK, so they do offer a variety of choices in specialized credit-lines to fit your, and your families needs.

Back then you could shoot anyone steps on your land/property, today you'll have to wait 30 years before you can claim it yours, and even after that if you don't pay your taxes, your aSSociation fees, basic water and electric bills, they'l take your house.
With Agenda 21, now you are an enemy of the State if you own your property, use electricity, air-conditioning, a car to go to work with, if you eat meat, if your cholesterol is high, consume salt etc. and so on. Now if you even own a gun you are a terrorist until proven innocent.

As for the artist rendering of Beer Street and Gin Lane, today we have our children to imitate prostitutes and then get an abortion. We name cities that are lit up with lights Sin Cities to whore around in and to gamble in. The difference between now and then is, we put all that filth going on 'indoors', .. there is no difference, only today it's more accepted, and everyone gets 'rolled', .. politely, .. genteel like.

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