Agenda 21 and Atheism

[Furrowed Brow]

In the thread Atheists/Non Christians/Agnostics a conversation between myself and arian brought up the question of Agenda 21.

What? Have you seen the demands atheists wrote up in 'Agenda 21' regarding Sustainability?

Agenda 21 is not atheism, and atheism is not Agenda 21. I do not support Agenda 21, but I'd have to say the present capitalist system based on infinite growth is unsustainable, and what is unsustainable cannot be sustained.

Oh yes it's atheism, and evolutionism, nazism, socialism, backed and supported by all the other religions of the world.

I said I am not an advocate of Agenda 21 because I have not studied it in any great detail. I am mainly aware of Agenda 21 through alternative media outlets that seem to fear and loathe it for the same kinds of reasons arian throws up. I believe I know enough to feel secure in saying it is not atheism. But maybe I am wrong. Let's see!

Here is the Agenda 21 website.

Questions 1: is Agenda 21 atheism or in any way an atheistic inspired programme as arian suggests? (If you answer yes please be specific and where possible quote Agenda 21 to give examples of how this programme is atheistic.)
Question 2: is Agenda 21 a bad thing? Should we be worrying about it in the way some alternative media suggests?

[Furrowed Brow]

But as the Marxist economist Richard Wolff points out regulation over the long term don't work. A couple of decades late the capital owners through lobbying and bribery and co-opting the political system get the legislation undone.

Yep.. sure does.. then people get upset, and the legislation gets put back in. While it's not perfect by any means, I haven't seen any system that works better.

I can't say that I have either. But I think I have seen glimmers of it. What it will take is for the majority to come to an ethic that says it is wrong for the most wealthy to pay themselves more than say ten times the lowest paid, and that calls those who try to grab more "anti social". Switzerland I hear are having a referendum on just this subject. A ratio of 12 to 1 between the highest and lowest earners is the suggestion. I believe Socrates suggested 6 to 1. Ben and Jerry's originally had a 5 to 1 ratio.

Guess I've come to the conclusion that me having more of the pie means someone else has to have less. If I can bribe the cop to let me into the front of the queue I will always get the largest slice.

Until the majority find the idea of massive (massive =greater than say 10 to 1) wealth accumulation intrinsically distasteful (rather than disliking the idea when times are rough for the lower paid) we will continue to face the same old problems. Basically we seek a system that built into its social structure tries to bring the poorest along with it, as opposed to the richest trying to reach escape velocity to distance themselves from the poorest.

]Have you? I mean, Marxism is open to even MORE abuse. There is no perfect system, the question is how to minimize the flaws.

I'm no longer sure that Marxism spawned systems of greater abuse or is inherently more open to abuse. It all depends on what slice of history we look at and how honest we want to be. There is a hidden history of Western abuse going back to WWII that marks the era of American Empire (we could go back further and include the British Empire). If we looked at the last 20 years or so and compare the West to say China, China manages a look the lesser evil. Whilst China had the stain of Tiananmen Square and a history of supressing and imprisoning political dissidents, the West have 500,000 dead Iraqi children, the mess that is the middle east, the propping up of totalitarian regimes, drones etc. I think the major difference is that the West has tended to export its abuse to foreign lands on to yellow and brown people....but it is still abuse.

If we want to include the 60million or so that died under Mao, then we need to compare this to the death toll due to the toppling of 50 governments around the world by the US (usually with Britain playing mini-me to the US) since the 1950s, along with all the aggressive wars it has engaged in. If we sum the death tolls of Mao and Stalin I think that will likely out pace the West for the moment. But we've got a few more wars and interventions left in us yet. But maybe I'm wrong about this and the death toll of Western capitalism is already directly comparable to the Soviet and Mao eras. How do we quantify the poverty and death rates in all those plantations and factories around the world in Western backed oligarchies that exploited their poor. Suharto's Indonesia being a paradigm. In addition to the million or so he had killed there are then the millions of workers packed into sweat shops denied basic decent living conditions, subject to lock ins, 24hr shifts etc. so that Suharto could promote Indonesia to the world as a place of cheap labour. Suharto was put in place by American and Britain, who then supplied him with the military capability to secure his position, and who extoled his virtues for the next 20 years. Or how about Saddam Hussein who the West courted, aided and abetted from 1979 to 1990. Or how about the depleted uranium the still poisoning Iraq. Not sure how to quantify all this.

I'm not certain how to minimise the flaws but I have some ideas (:D ) and suspect the answer is that we let a legal framework do the work based on an ethic that along with the declaration of human freedoms and liberties declares it is anti social for one person to have an income less than say 1/10 of another. How about recognising cooperatives and businesses that maintain a 10 to 1 ratio are pro-social and giving tax breaks to encourage this kind of business model.

It is a case of 'where are we know', and 'what is the best solution to get to where we should be going'. I will agree that the capitalist system is definitely taking advantage of the 3rd world countries right now. Now, I don't have all the answers, but I know that empowering the middle class is a step in the right direction.

The capitalist countries have always taken advantage of 3rd world countries. It is the nature of capital to do that. If there was not a law against slavery they would use slaves, and as it proves too often it is ready to use something so close to slavery it is indistinguishable.

I agree the middle classes need to be empowered. But so to do the working classes. Universal health care and education are a means to this. But we can go further. I think there is something of a liberal middle class bias in that assessment. I think empowering just the middle classes is a way to capitalism light. But we really need to include the working classes in the answer. For example the best schools in the UK are private and class sizes are around 15 to 1 or less. These are becoming so costly that the middle classes are being squeezed out of them. The working classes and lower middle classes get class sizes of 30+. It would be empowering if this figure came down to 15. But that costs money and decisions on how to distribute the wealth of the community.

[Bust Nak]

You say that "Abortion is an example of lower birth rate, not increased death rate."?? So why do you support inoculations, just imagine how much population reduction could happen naturally?

Because I want to decrease death rate. Lowing birth rate is a better solution to population reduction. See the population growth of developed countries vs developing countries for evidence of my claim. Beside, we don't necessrily want to reduce human population. We want it to stop it from growing exponentially.

Stop killing beautiful healthy babies, if you believe that we got this far over billions of years by purposeless evolution, then why don't you let your evolution handle population control? Why prefer murdering the innocent yourself over evolutions proven system of survival of the fittest?

Because I don't want our species to go extinct.

If the human-ape is to be wiped off the face of the world, so be it, there are millions of apes ready to climb down from the trees to take their place. Leave evolution alone, you know what can happen if you keep interfering with evolution right?

Lots of things can happen. Bad things will happen if we don't stop limit population growth.

Do other apes have preventive medicine like mandatory inoculations? No.

Which is a factor in their short life span. I don't want to die young.

See, your answer to overpopulation lies right there, yet you support all this medications to keep people suffering, not really a cure.

Death is not a cure.

AIDS patients take almost a hundred pills a day, and yet you support homosexuality the main carrier of the AIDS virus??

Hetrosexual male are the main carrier of the AIDS virus.

But unborn babies, hey let's build more expedient and efficient abortion clinics.

Let's, and safer ones too.

Ha.. ha.. ha.. now you are being funny again. Really.. stop my sides hurt from laughing. I mean why would they ruin a fine game like GTA 5 where you can run around beating, killing having sex with women, robbing banks, jewelry stores, beating and killing cops, or just fat people jogging, etc, .. etc, .. with a scene of masturbating in public, .. right? LOL. I must have a disturbed mind or something!?!

No comments on whether killing cops and women etc is more disturbed than masturbating in public. The point was you were incorrect when you stated in GTA "kids can beat, rape and then finish up by masturbating on their victim before they kill them, right there in plain view of the public."

Sorry but I will not reveal the source because they seem to disappear when they come under scrutiny. And you are very wrong, and it seems that it's on purpose since you say you play the game, because there is all kinds of rape, like the two older guys raping a girl, and you have a choice to save her and shoot the older guys in the balls and take her home, .. or???? Oh well, you know the game.

Or you can drive off, or you can kill everyone. Yes, I do know the game, and I know exactly what you are talking about. You have a problem with saving a woman from being raped?

Exactly, .. opposed to the seemingly unsuccessful agendas that seem to have no effect on the illegal drug problem. he, he, he... you're so funny.

You expect illegal drug problem to be fixed over night? That it is not a quick fix, is not a negative point against Agenda 21.

How could you bring such demonic Agenda into effect, unless you bring the world to its knees first?

but you haven't pointed out anything wrong with Agenda 21 yet. You've simply listed social ills.

You have to first make them believe that a Creator God does not exist by destroying science and making Evolution a FACT. Then you rob them of jobs, their morality, then drug them to a stupor, starve them, bomb them, rob them of everything, even the meaning of freedom, and then POW! Offer them a 'Beyond Utopian solution like Agenda 21.

Even if we accept all the social ills you listed, it's still not a negative point against Agenda 21 which is supposed to be fixing them.

What I am waiting for is the MAN, that person that will bring this into its finale? Then is the fulfillment of the last chapter of satans rule, and those that worship him to such extent as to plan, implement and attempt to wipe 95% of the population off the face of the earth.

So you keep insisting, not one piece of evidence to back it up.

What is the largest income for the Ruling One World Government, that brings in the most money? Illegal drugs, and pornography.

Nevermind the fact that there is no Ruling One World Government. It is taxes that is the largest income for any government. There is no tax for illegal drugs, and no more taxes from pornography than regular sale tax (which may or may not apply depending where you live.) If anything it is tobacco and alcohol you should be worrying about - there is extra tax for those.

These two cause dependents in every facet of human life, and the government is ready to offer the 'Final Solution' to end all those problems they themselves have created, and the sheeple are all ready to sacrifice their very lives to bring this about. How ironic, .. but then so is suicide like the Heavens Gate group. They killed themselves before something bad could happen to them down the road, .. LOL again.

That is conspiracy theory territory again.

They of Agenda 21 control the drug lords and oil companies, .. I am sure you know this.

I know of no such thing. The opposite is true, they of Agenda 21 do not control the drug lords or oil companies.

I don't understand how people actually fall for this? How many times has this been done over the past 4,000 years of written history? Politics create the problems so they can be there as saviors, like gods to solve them. Only there are the controllers of these politicians, that is why they choose the ones that actually believe there is problems .. lol.

Just in case you haven't been paying attention. Those that are seen to be creating problems don't get elected. You need to invoke some "THEY" working behind the scene, in other words - conspiracy theory.

Oh come now Bust Nak, as if you didn't know that?

Nobody can knows what you claim to know. You are making it up.

Just like the crash in the 20's, no food, no money, people lost their farms and everything, yet they had the billions to go to war! ... lol again.

Are you seriously suggesting the two world wars were manufactured? I certainly know of no such thing.

There was some truth to that in the old days, but that is no longer true. THEY now own the businesses too. The few private businesses allowed is for the time being, until the full-implementation of Agenda 21 , .. into the final transition of self-annihilation, which was Satans plan from the beginning.

Naw, ... more like a combination of all conspiracies; totalitarian (North Korea), communist (China, Russia), and the many religions and their gods (Christianity, Muslim, Hindu, Atheism) because Satan knows this is his last war before Christ's 1,000 year rule. So he has called all the peoples of all the nations together for this one. It is a war against Absolutes, against Light itself, and he knows he'll lose, but watching humans that were created in Gods own image die for him, is a worthwhile cause in his mind. Those will never see that eternal Kingdom of God, but will suffer with him throughout eternity in hell.

All this tell me is your entire world view is corrupted by your religion. Your conviction in your claims comes from your religious beliefs and not from any real world observation.

To bring about the Final Solution of the delusional "everyone gets healthcare" agenda.

If eveyone gets healthcare then where is the need to not "keep those old folk alive who need expensive drug every day"? Your conspiracy theory don't even make sense.

Yes, by exterminating 95% of the human race, .. lol.

Only in your delusion. If that was the goal, why lower death rate?

An "under-funded government"? What about "We the People"?

Who do you think the government is, if not we the people? You don't live in a monarchy.

No, .. but I would like to have a say so about the 'if, when and which company' I want to insure me.

That only works if you are the only one affected. You are not. If you hit someone with your car, their damage must be paid for. The insurance is there to protect others as much as yourself.

I know, .. it's this silly thing about "We the People, .. and this inalienable human rights thing" vs totalitarian suicidal religious government control. But thats just me I guess.

Pretty much. None other than fundamentalists would believe conspiracy theories.

How about teaching more on morality, removing games like GTA and other mindless killing games, .. all pornography from the internet, give us our jobs back, and there wouldn't be any uncontrollable outbreak, I promise!

Your promise is worthless.

Which one, .. the one created by the One World Order FDA? I know about those, I watched the commercials since 1968; "Even a drink of water will halp keep those teeth clean, .. so drink up people!" and ends with a twinkle from the pretty ladies teeth. Yep, even my grade school teachers in Detroit would mention that we kids drink plenty of fluorinated water, especially the German teachers. Hmm... ??

And guess what, we keep drinking it and life expectancy is not going down but up. So much for your poison.

Just like the huge number of studies by tobacco companies proving cigarette smoking was safe. And they spent millions and millions on these studies.

No, not unlike those, because they proved the opposite - they spent millions of those studies and got the opposite results.

Breast cancer awareness is another effective weapon, every other topic is about that especially with women. I mean all the doctor has to do is pick any woman, call her in for an important office visit after her breast exam and tell her; "Please sit down Mrs. Jane Dow, ..." and they are already so convinced that they themselves will give a result! "I know I HAVE BREAST CANCER right? Don't lie to me, I was just waiting for this, I knew it some time ago! That's fine, I am ready for this, whatever will happen, I'm ready!"

Doctor: "So how much money do you have Mrs. Jane Doe? I'm sure you are aware that the radiation treatment that we use to kill you is VERY EXPENSIVE, .. You have any rich family? Is your house paid for? You know I only want the best radiation for you Mrs. Doe, .. and this may take the support of everyone you know, .. to pitch in I mean, .. friends, neighbors, anyone and everyone who has a good heart and loves you!"

Nevermind that there is zero reason to believe that, you don't want expensive treatments, but somehow everybody getting medical care is supposed to be a bad thing?

FINALLY, ... geez golly and holy aspartame batman, ... we solved the riddle. And we know what agenda 21 plans to generate, but remember that we cannot trust them Jokers.

We don't know that at all. We know the opposite of what you are saying is true. You've give us zero reason to believe a word you say other than the Bible says so.

Well, it's actually done more discretely than that, .. but yes, pretty much the same as you said.

EXACTLY! They buy the leaders of these countries by offering them factories, these poor people get all happy about American Factories popping up, and also love their new President, or Dictator, or whatever. In turn, our government gets control of all drug trafficking without any problems, .. both out of their newly controlled country, and into the desperate addicted arms of our now jobless people. You got it!

I have no words. I cannot believe anyone would believe that.

But think about it, how come you guys couldn't put more into education to begin with? Oh yes, .. then you couldn't offer to "save the education system" too. Oh what wonderful savior this Agenda 21. It will fix ALL our problems, thanks to the Makers of sweet & low, Aspartame, aluminum cans, fluoride, radiation for therapy, NAFTA, The US/Afghanistan Opium industry, The Mexican MarryJane industry, and of course the Colombian Coca Industry. And all those other small US labs that provide us with Crystal meth, and other refined substances that keep us working overtime to pay for gas, food, electricity and our drugs.

Who is this "you guys" who are not putting more into education? I think you'll find we ARE putting lots into education. It is you guys who are anti-education.

Well I have to admit, .. our whole family is ecstatic that a brand new Chinese import 99c Store just opened up down the street from us. All those out of date goodies, meats like hot dogs and cheap toys are once again affordable for the family. I already instructed them that if they bite into something that tastes bad or smells awful, just spit it out. And try not to eat anything more than a year out of date, .. I noticed this especially in fine two for 99c chocolates.

Are you going to blame out of date foods on "THEY" too?

I got it, .. it's all a dream, .. it's all a dream, .. it was only a movie, .. it was only a movie, ..

Darn it, it used to work!
I know, I need to drink a lot more water, brush my teeth four times a day with the Extra-Whitening fluoride toothpaste, and gargle with the huge bottle of pure-fluoride my dentist gave me, and of course drink plenty of diet-Coke in sweaty aluminum cans.

No, you need to wake up.

I know you are confident in this agenda, everything is going according to plan, and it should be because it was foretold that it would. Like I said, I am NOT against this plan, .. I am just trying to sound the trumpet because unaware both the supporters and the victims, .. are the same people. In a way I am looking forward to what is happening, AND the horrors to come because I am tired of the sarcasm from the very ones that will take the brunt of this holocaust.

Not gonna happen.

I am guilty, at least in my mind of Jonah's sin, where I would like to sit back and watch all this go down from a hill, but in my heart, because of the pain searing through my neck and all the joints in my body reminds me just how much people are already suffering, and are about to suffer even more, .. a lot more. I don't like suffering and pray for everyone, good or bad, as long as they are able minded and can bend their knees.

Then why are you against socialised medicine? That makes zero sense.

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But as the Marxist economist Richard Wolff points out regulation over the long term don't work. A couple of decades late the capital owners through lobbying and bribery and co-opting the political system get the legislation undone.

Yep.. sure does.. then people get upset, and the legislation gets put back in. While it's not perfect by any means, I haven't seen any system that works better.

I can't say that I have either. But I think I have seen glimmers of it. What it will take is for the majority to come to an ethic that says it is wrong for the most wealthy to pay themselves more than say ten times the lowest paid, and that calls those who try to grab more "anti social". Switzerland I hear are having a referendum on just this subject. A ratio of 12 to 1 between the highest and lowest earners is the suggestion. I believe Socrates suggested 6 to 1. Ben and Jerry's originally had a 5 to 1 ratio.

Guess I've come to the conclusion that me having more of the pie means someone else has to have less. If I can bribe the cop to let me into the front of the queue I will always get the largest slice.

The pie is not a fixed size. Systems that don't incentivize innovation tend to destroy much of the pie, or at least stop it from getting any bigger.

I'm no longer sure that Marxism spawned systems of greater abuse or is inherently more open to abuse. It all depends on what slice of history we look at and how honest we want to be. There is a hidden history of Western abuse going back to WWII that marks the era of American Empire (we could go back further and include the British Empire). If we looked at the last 20 years or so and compare the West to say China, China manages a look the lesser evil. Whilst China had the stain of Tiananmen Square and a history of supressing and imprisoning political dissidents, the West have 500,000 dead Iraqi children, the mess that is the middle east, the propping up of totalitarian regimes, drones etc. I think the major difference is that the West has tended to export its abuse to foreign lands on to yellow and brown people....but it is still abuse.

If we want to include the 60million or so that died under Mao, then we need to compare this to the death toll due to the toppling of 50 governments around the world by the US (usually with Britain playing mini-me to the US) since the 1950s, along with all the aggressive wars it has engaged in. If we sum the death tolls of Mao and Stalin I think that will likely out pace the West for the moment. But we've got a few more wars and interventions left in us yet. But maybe I'm wrong about this and the death toll of Western capitalism is already directly comparable to the Soviet and Mao eras. How do we quantify the poverty and death rates in all those plantations and factories around the world in Western backed oligarchies that exploited their poor. Suharto's Indonesia being a paradigm. In addition to the million or so he had killed there are then the millions of workers packed into sweat shops denied basic decent living conditions, subject to lock ins, 24hr shifts etc. so that Suharto could promote Indonesia to the world as a place of cheap labour. Suharto was put in place by American and Britain, who then supplied him with the military capability to secure his position, and who extoled his virtues for the next 20 years. Or how about Saddam Hussein who the West courted, aided and abetted from 1979 to 1990. Or how about the depleted uranium the still poisoning Iraq. Not sure how to quantify all this.

What does this have to do with economic systems?

[arian]

[Replying to post 38 by arian]

Okay so you quoted a description of agenda 21 and passages from it, but you still haven't shown any evidence of your conspiracy theory.

You'll have to read post 38 again, between the description of Agenda 21.

[arian]

You say that "Abortion is an example of lower birth rate, not increased death rate."?? So why do you support inoculations, just imagine how much population reduction could happen naturally?

Because I want to decrease death rate. Lowing birth rate is a better solution to population reduction. See the population growth of developed countries vs developing countries for evidence of my claim. Beside, we don't necessrily want to reduce human population. We want it to stop it from growing exponentially.

There is only one way to do that, by killing us exponentially, or advocate gay-marriage more and wait.

Stop killing beautiful healthy babies, if you believe that we got this far over billions of years by purposeless evolution, then why don't you let your evolution handle population control? Why prefer murdering the innocent yourself over evolutions proven system of survival of the fittest?

Because I don't want our species to go extinct.

As if evolution will heed to your or Agenda 21's will? If evolution decides man to go extinct, man will go extinct, and will listen to no god, no will or plan of anyone except evolution, .. remember? So I don't get it, .. why are you fighting it?

If the human-ape is to be wiped off the face of the world, so be it, there are millions of apes ready to climb down from the trees to take their place. Leave evolution alone, you know what can happen if you keep interfering with evolution right?

Lots of things can happen. Bad things will happen if we don't stop limit population growth.

Again, .. I don't get it. If evolution could control and manage animal population explosion for the past billions of years, then where is Almighty evolution now? Wait, .. so this is why you guys push evolution on people, "It is not us, it is evolution that is exterminating you! Just sit down and accept the inevitable!" lol

Do other apes have preventive medicine like mandatory inoculations? No.

Which is a factor in their short life span.

Exactly, and see how content they are? No overpopulation.

I don't want to die young.

No, but you are willing to sacrifice other youngsters in your efficient production abortion clinics. Smart, .. real smart.

See, your answer to overpopulation lies right there, yet you support all this medications to keep people suffering, not really a cure.

Death is not a cure.

I'm sorry but most 1940's Germans would strongly disagree with you, and so would
any Agenda 21 promoters, .. so again you are not being very honest since you are one of those promoters.

AIDS patients take almost a hundred pills a day, and yet you support homosexuality the main carrier of the AIDS virus??

Hetrosexual male are the main carrier of the AIDS virus.

Ah yes I forgot, .. you guys changed a lot of definitions in preparation for this agenda.

Heterosexual: two men sharing a bed in marriage
Marriage: two men legally sharing the same bed in marriage.

But unborn babies, hey let's build more expedient and efficient abortion clinics.

Let's, and safer ones too.

Right, because as you said; death is not a cure. You wouldn't want anyone to die in that clinic now would you? "Abortion Clinic - children are welcome"

Ha.. ha.. ha.. now you are being funny again. Really.. stop my sides hurt from laughing. I mean why would they ruin a fine game like GTA 5 where you can run around beating, killing having sex with women, robbing banks, jewelry stores, beating and killing cops, or just fat people jogging, etc, .. etc, .. with a scene of masturbating in public, .. right? LOL. I must have a disturbed mind or something!?!

No comments on whether killing cops and women etc is more disturbed than masturbating in public. The point was you were incorrect when you stated in GTA "kids can beat, rape and then finish up by masturbating on their victim before they kill them, right there in plain view of the public."

Not children, the main characters in the game.

Sorry but I will not reveal the source because they seem to disappear when they come under scrutiny. And you are very wrong, and it seems that it's on purpose since you say you play the game, because there is all kinds of rape, like the two older guys raping a girl, and you have a choice to save her and shoot the older guys in the balls and take her home, .. or???? Oh well, you know the game.

Or you can drive off, or you can kill everyone. Yes, I do know the game, and I know exactly what you are talking about. You have a problem with saving a woman from being raped?

Wait, you guys said there is no rape in GTA!? Whats this now, so you go around saving people from rape? lol

Exactly, .. opposed to the seemingly unsuccessful agendas that seem to have no effect on the illegal drug problem. he, he, he... you're so funny.

You expect illegal drug problem to be fixed over night? That it is not a quick fix, is not a negative point against Agenda 21.

Sure there is a quick fix, it's extermination. Look at the map of Agenda 21, where does it show where the drug addicts will be kept? Or the elderly?

How could you bring such demonic Agenda into effect, unless you bring the world to its knees first?

but you haven't pointed out anything wrong with Agenda 21 yet. You've simply listed social ills.

I have been explaining who is and has been promoting social ills, the people behind Agenda 21. Unless they use the books to beat people to death with, the book itself is harmless.

You have to first make them believe that a Creator God does not exist by destroying science and making Evolution a FACT. Then you rob them of jobs, their morality, then drug them to a stupor, starve them, bomb them, rob them of everything, even the meaning of freedom, and then POW! Offer them a 'Beyond Utopian solution like Agenda 21.

Even if we accept all the social ills you listed, it's still not a negative point against Agenda 21 which is supposed to be fixing them.

You people wrote Agenda 21, and created the problems, multiplied the social ills I listed so you could bring about the need for this Agenda 21. The book itself will not harm anyone, but its implementation will be hell on earth.

What I am waiting for is the MAN, that person that will bring this into its finale? Then is the fulfillment of the last chapter of satans rule, and those that worship him to such extent as to plan, implement and attempt to wipe 95% of the population off the face of the earth.

So you keep insisting, not one piece of evidence to back it up.

All the Biblical prophesies point to this final chapter in human history.

What is the largest income for the Ruling One World Government, that brings in the most money? Illegal drugs, and pornography.

Nevermind the fact that there is no Ruling One World Government.

Mr President Bush senior would strongly disagree with you, as would the younger President Bush along with Mr. Cheney.

It is taxes that is the largest income for any government. There is no tax for illegal drugs, and no more taxes from pornography than regular sale tax (which may or may not apply depending where you live.) If anything it is tobacco and alcohol you should be worrying about - there is extra tax for those.

There is no tax on the billion$ they make in illegal drugs/pornography? You are funny, .. why in the world would they tax themselves on pure profit? Then you'll just say; "Bad people, look how much they spend on drugs and pornography! We need Agenda 21!"

These two cause dependents in every facet of human life, and the government is ready to offer the 'Final Solution' to end all those problems they themselves have created, and the sheeple are all ready to sacrifice their very lives to bring this about. How ironic, .. but then so is suicide like the Heavens Gate group. They killed themselves before something bad could happen to them down the road, .. LOL again.

That is conspiracy theory territory again.

What do you mean 'theory'? Who said it was a conspiracy theory? Only you and your buddies who are bringing this into fruition. It is a plain and simple conspiracy to take over the world and exterminate 90% of humanity.

They of Agenda 21 control the drug lords and oil companies, .. I am sure you know this.

I know of no such thing. The opposite is true, they of Agenda 21 do not control the drug lords or oil companies.

You are funny.

I don't understand how people actually fall for this? How many times has this been done over the past 4,000 years of written history? Politics create the problems so they can be there as saviors, like gods to solve them. Only there are the controllers of these politicians, that is why they choose the ones that actually believe there is problems .. lol.

Just in case you haven't been paying attention. Those that are seen to be creating problems don't get elected. You need to invoke some "THEY" working behind the scene, in other words - conspiracy theory.

Those that seem to be creating the problems are the only ones to stay alive, the ones who expose these problems commit suicide with multiple gunshots to the head, neck and body. hmm... ??

Oh come now Bust Nak, as if you didn't know that?

Nobody can knows what you claim to know. You are making it up.

You promote Agenda 21, .. correct? That's how I know you know.

Just like the crash in the 20's, no food, no money, people lost their farms and everything, yet they had the billions to go to war! ... lol again.

Are you seriously suggesting the two world wars were manufactured? I certainly know of no such thing.

Which war in the last 2,000 years was not manufactured?

There was some truth to that in the old days, but that is no longer true. THEY now own the businesses too. The few private businesses allowed is for the time being, until the full-implementation of Agenda 21 , .. into the final transition of self-annihilation, which was Satans plan from the beginning.

Naw, ... more like a combination of all conspiracies; totalitarian (North Korea), communist (China, Russia), and the many religions and their gods (Christianity, Muslim, Hindu, Atheism) because Satan knows this is his last war before Christ's 1,000 year rule. So he has called all the peoples of all the nations together for this one. It is a war against Absolutes, against Light itself, and he knows he'll lose, but watching humans that were created in Gods own image die for him, is a worthwhile cause in his mind. Those will never see that eternal Kingdom of God, but will suffer with him throughout eternity in hell.

All this tell me is your entire world view is corrupted by your religion. Your conviction in your claims comes from your religious beliefs and not from any real world observation.

I gave up following religious beliefs, .. Everything I say here comes from "real world observation", .. everything that you call a theory, I see as a planned conspiracy because of my real world observations. The religious are the main ones implementing this and the other half don't see it, .. or pretend not to see it.

To bring about the Final Solution of the delusional "everyone gets healthcare" agenda.

If eveyone gets healthcare then where is the need to not "keep those old folk alive who need expensive drug every day"? Your conspiracy theory don't even make sense.

They keep them alive and heavily medicated so you guys could say: "Look how costly it is to keep old people alive, we have a solution, it is called Agenda 21" So, .. "sorry mom, dad, grandpa and grandma, "You had a good life, .." it's time to say bye bye! I have seen this done with my own two eyes.

Yes, by exterminating 95% of the human race, .. lol.

Only in your delusion. If that was the goal, why lower death rate?

To KEEP THE MONEY coming in and bankrupt the country. How else could a heinous plan like this Agenda be implemented?

An "under-funded government"? What about "We the People"?

Who do you think the government is, if not we the people? You don't live in a monarchy.

Ah yes, .. we the people are the government. Hey, when can I move into the White-house? Give me the keys to Fort Knox too while we're at it, so I can pay off some of my 17 trillion dollar debt. lol..

No, .. but I would like to have a say so about the 'if, when and which company' I want to insure me.

That only works if you are the only one affected. You are not. If you hit someone with your car, their damage must be paid for. The insurance is there to protect others as much as yourself.

So why isn't it cheaper as you guys promised? Why does it go up when our kids start driving, and why doesn't go down when we have no claims for ten years or more?

I know, .. it's this silly thing about "We the People, .. and this inalienable human rights thing" vs totalitarian suicidal religious government control. But thats just me I guess.

Pretty much. None other than fundamentalists would believe conspiracy theories.

From the mouth of someone who is a part of implementing a conspiracy against humanity. The fundamentalists? They are the ones supplying the man-power behind the One World Army that will enforce this, .. who said most of them are not a part of this? They have pledged allegiance to the same flag that will enforce this Agenda 21. They are the proud parents of Christian soldiers with their blood drenched swords they've been carrying around for the past 1,700 years. There ain't no way you can keep them out of this coming bloodshed. Every country of every religion will proudly send forth their kids to help you make this a reality, NOT a theory.

How about teaching more on morality, removing games like GTA and other mindless killing games, .. all pornography from the internet, give us our jobs back, and there wouldn't be any uncontrollable outbreak, I promise!

Your promise is worthless.

No kidding, matter of fact I could give you a handful of Biblical quotes that has prophesied just that.

Which one, .. the one created by the One World Order FDA? I know about those, I watched the commercials since 1968; "Even a drink of water will halp keep those teeth clean, .. so drink up people!" and ends with a twinkle from the pretty ladies teeth. Yep, even my grade school teachers in Detroit would mention that we kids drink plenty of fluorinated water, especially the German teachers. Hmm... ??

And guess what, we keep drinking it and life expectancy is not going down but up. So much for your poison.

Again, .. they keep the dying alive to keep the multy-billion $ drug companies in business. It takes a lot of money to take over the world, didn't you know that? Also it is used as an excuse to bring Agenda 21 to the rescue. Two birds with one stone.

Just like the huge number of studies by tobacco companies proving cigarette smoking was safe. And they spent millions and millions on these studies.

No, not unlike those, because they proved the opposite - they spent millions of those studies and got the opposite results.

What are you talking about, .. I watched the whole thing on TV.

Breast cancer awareness is another effective weapon, every other topic is about that especially with women. I mean all the doctor has to do is pick any woman, call her in for an important office visit after her breast exam and tell her; "Please sit down Mrs. Jane Dow, ..." and they are already so convinced that they themselves will give a result! "I know I HAVE BREAST CANCER right? Don't lie to me, I was just waiting for this, I knew it some time ago! That's fine, I am ready for this, whatever will happen, I'm ready!"

Doctor: "So how much money do you have Mrs. Jane Doe? I'm sure you are aware that the radiation treatment that we use to kill you is VERY EXPENSIVE, .. You have any rich family? Is your house paid for? You know I only want the best radiation for you Mrs. Doe, .. and this may take the support of everyone you know, .. to pitch in I mean, .. friends, neighbors, anyone and everyone who has a good heart and loves you!"

Nevermind that there is zero reason to believe that, you don't want expensive treatments, but somehow everybody getting medical care is supposed to be a bad thing?

Only 90% don't have cancer, they are told they do so they can get money to kill them.

FINALLY, ... geez golly and holy aspartame batman, ... we solved the riddle. And we know what agenda 21 plans to generate, but remember that we cannot trust them Jokers.

We don't know that at all. We know the opposite of what you are saying is true. You've give us zero reason to believe a word you say other than the Bible says so.

It is the same principle as Communism.

-Communism was the bloodiest ideology that caused more than 120 million innocent deaths in the 20th century.

Pale in comparison of Agenda 21 which is planning on 6.5 billion deaths, or total human annihilation, .. whichever can be attained first.

-It was a nightmare which promised equality and justice, but which brought only bloodshed, death, torture and fear.

And here we go again.

-From Marx to Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot, the materialist philosophy transforms humans into theorists of violence and masters of cruelty.

And I tell you my friend that whoever the man that brings this Agenda 21 Conspiracy into its fruition will make every other Evil Ruler in history pale in comparison. It can be no other than the man AntiChrist with Satan himself taken possession of a human body and controlling it.

As the Son of God came into the world, took a human form and became the Christ our Savior, Satan himself will take a human form and become our destroyer. His plan, .. total annihilation of every living thing on earth, and he is already using the 'beast' who are destroying every wildlife, trees, fish in the oceans, the birds of the air, and of course torturing babies, slaughtering men and women, slowly killing them with radiation, through prostitution, starvation, all in pretense of saving us. What a snake!

Well, it's actually done more discretely than that, .. but yes, pretty much the same as you said.

EXACTLY! They buy the leaders of these countries by offering them factories, these poor people get all happy about American Factories popping up, and also love their new President, or Dictator, or whatever. In turn, our government gets control of all drug trafficking without any problems, .. both out of their newly controlled country, and into the desperate addicted arms of our now jobless people. You got it!

I have no words. I cannot believe anyone would believe that.

True, not everyone would believe this because satan blinded them with worldly riches and pleasures. But you my friend are reading this (and I pray a lot more here reading this), you have a chance to open your eyes and turn sides! I don't mean turn to some religion, or am offering you any kind of gods of any religion to worship, .. you should know me by now.

I tell you the truth, and if you are even remotely searching for the Absolute truth, then I can point you towards the Gate. It's a narrow gate, and very few people can find it because of all the distractions on the way like the pleasures of the world, religions with all their gods, Large Gates with wider roads leading off to them and so on. But YOU will have to make that effort to go on in.

But think about it, how come you guys couldn't put more into education to begin with? Oh yes, .. then you couldn't offer to "save the education system" too. Oh what wonderful savior this Agenda 21. It will fix ALL our problems, thanks to the Makers of sweet & low, Aspartame, aluminum cans, fluoride, radiation for therapy, NAFTA, The US/Afghanistan Opium industry, The Mexican MarryJane industry, and of course the Colombian Coca Industry. And all those other small US labs that provide us with Crystal meth, and other refined substances that keep us working overtime to pay for gas, food, electricity and our drugs.

Who is this "you guys" who are not putting more into education? I think you'll find we ARE putting lots into education. It is you guys who are anti-education.

As I said, 'you guys' are everyone who supports this Agenda.
If you believe they are putting 'lots' into education, then how do they think this Agenda will work?
If it's an idea, a philosophy, then why didn't they apply it before? See what I mean?

Well I have to admit, .. our whole family is ecstatic that a brand new Chinese import 99c Store just opened up down the street from us. All those out of date goodies, meats like hot dogs and cheap toys are once again affordable for the family. I already instructed them that if they bite into something that tastes bad or smells awful, just spit it out. And try not to eat anything more than a year out of date, .. I noticed this especially in fine two for 99c chocolates.

Are you going to blame out of date foods on "THEY" too?

Who else? No business can exist for even a month without THEIR approval. THEY enjoy seeing us eat this crap, it all goes into their pocket anyways. Like 1% milk, they sell the cream and sell the left over watery-milk too.

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[Replying to post 38 by arian]

Okay so you quoted a description of agenda 21 and passages from it, but you still haven't shown any evidence of your conspiracy theory.

You'll have to read post 38 again, between the description of Agenda 21.

Okay, I read it again. The parts that were not description from wikipedia were pure speculation with no evidence. Do you have any evidence?

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There is only one way to do that, by killing us exponentially, or advocate gay-marriage more and wait.

Incorrect. There are other ways of doing that. Namely the one I was talking about of lower birth rates.

As if evolution will heed to your or Agenda 21's will? If evolution decides man to go extinct, man will go extinct, and will listen to no god, no will or plan of anyone except evolution, .. remember? So I don't get it, .. why are you fighting it?

Evolution is a natural process, it cannot decide anything. We are not fighting evolutioin, we are fighting extinction.

Again, .. I don't get it. If evolution could control and manage animal population explosion for the past billions of years, then where is Almighty evolution now?

Still operating as it has been for the past billions of years obviously.

Wait, .. so this is why you guys push evolution on people, "It is not us, it is evolution that is exterminating you! Just sit down and accept the inevitable!" lol

That's the thing it is NOT inevitable. Hence Agenda 21.

Exactly, and see how content they are? No overpopulation.

You want to live like non humans? I don't.

No, but you are willing to sacrifice other youngsters in your efficient production abortion clinics. Smart, .. real smart.

No one is sacrificed in abortion clinics.

I'm sorry but most 1940's Germans would strongly disagree with you, and so would any Agenda 21 promoters, .. so again you are not being very honest since you are one of those promoters.

Then you are proven false by counter example. I am a Agenda 21 promoters and I don't think death is a cure. It was you infact you who implied it when you stated medicine was counter productive to the problem of overpopulation.

Ah yes I forgot, .. you guys changed a lot of definitions in preparation for this agenda.

Heterosexual: two men sharing a bed in marriage

Incorrect. Heterosexual are sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.

Marriage: two men legally sharing the same bed in marriage.

Not exclusive to two men, can be two women or one man and one woman.

Right, because as you said; death is not a cure. You wouldn't want anyone to die in that clinic now would you? "Abortion Clinic - children are welcome"

If an undersage child got into a pregancy, of couse they are welcome.

Not children, the main characters in the game.

I know what you said, and you are wrong. The main characters in the game cannot "beat, rape and then finish up by masturbating on their victim before they kill them, right there in plain view of the public."

Wait, you guys said there is no rape in GTA!? Whats this now, so you go around saving people from rape? lol

You know exactly what I said. You can beat woman, you can kill them, you have have sex with them but you cannot rape them and you cannnot masturbate in public. You can also save people from being raped.

Sure there is a quick fix, it's extermination. Look at the map of Agenda 21, where does it show where the drug addicts will be kept? Or the elderly?

In their own homes, where they normally live obviously.

I have been explaining who is and has been promoting social ills, the people behind Agenda 21. Unless they use the books to beat people to death with, the book itself is harmless.

"Explaining" isn't the word I would use. You have been theorising the people behind Agenda 21 is and has been promoting social ills. With nothing to back it up other than a prediction of the anti Christ in the Bible.

You people wrote Agenda 21, and created the problems, multiplied the social ills I listed so you could bring about the need for this Agenda 21. The book itself will not harm anyone, but its implementation will be hell on earth.

That's an accusation you cannot support.

All the Biblical prophesies point to this final chapter in human history.

So you'd like us to believe. It'll take more than vague prophesies to convince us.

Mr President Bush senior would strongly disagree with you, as would the younger President Bush along with Mr. Cheney.

How is the US government a one world government?

There is no tax on the billion$ they make in illegal drugs/pornography?

The government is not making ANY money from illegal drugs let alone tax on it. As for porn, the usual sales tax that is no different from buying a garden hose.

You are funny, .. why in the world would they tax themselves on pure profit?

Loaded question cannot be answered. the government is not making any profit off drugs.

Then you'll just say; "Bad people, look how much they spend on drugs and pornography! We need Agenda 21!"

We do, but that in no way implies the drugs and porn are manufactured problems for the purpose of putting Agenda 21 in place.

What do you mean 'theory'? Who said it was a conspiracy theory? Only you and your buddies who are bringing this into fruition. It is a plain and simple conspiracy to take over the world and exterminate 90% of humanity.

You think 90% of humanity will just lie down and die?

Those that seem to be creating the problems are the only ones to stay alive, the ones who expose these problems commit suicide with multiple gunshots to the head, neck and body. hmm... ??

And you've got evidence of this?

You promote Agenda 21, .. correct? That's how I know you know.

Another accusation you cannot back up.

Which war in the last 2,000 years was not manufactured?

World war 1 and 2 springs to mind.

I gave up following religious beliefs, .. Everything I say here comes from "real world observation", .. everything that you call a theory, I see as a planned conspiracy because of my real world observations. The religious are the main ones implementing this and the other half don't see it, .. or pretend not to see it.

What real world observation is that exactly? You have nothing but one claims after another.

They keep them alive and heavily medicated so you guys could say: "Look how costly it is to keep old people alive, we have a solution, it is called Agenda 21" So, .. "sorry mom, dad, grandpa and grandma, "You had a good life, .." it's time to say bye bye! I have seen this done with my own two eyes.

Except the solution is socialised medicine so that the cost for keeping old people alive is low.

To KEEP THE MONEY coming in and bankrupt the country. How else could a heinous plan like this Agenda be implemented?

But that goes directly against the "heinous plan" you were suggesting.

Ah yes, .. we the people are the government. Hey, when can I move into the White-house? Give me the keys to Fort Knox too while we're at it, so I can pay off some of my 17 trillion dollar debt. lol..

When you win the election.

So why isn't it cheaper as you guys promised? Why does it go up when our kids start driving, and why doesn't go down when we have no claims for ten years or more?

Take it up with those who drive without insurance. My insurance has gone down with no claim bonus.

From the mouth of someone who is a part of implementing a conspiracy against humanity. The fundamentalists? They are the ones supplying the man-power behind the One World Army that will enforce this, .. who said most of them are not a part of this? They have pledged allegiance to the same flag that will enforce this Agenda 21. They are the proud parents of Christian soldiers with their blood drenched swords they've been carrying around for the past 1,700 years. There ain't no way you can keep them out of this coming bloodshed. Every country of every religion will proudly send forth their kids to help you make this a reality, NOT a theory.

And yet, only fundamentalists would believe the stuff you believe.

No kidding, matter of fact I could give you a handful of Biblical quotes that has prophesied just that.

Guess what, that is worthless too.

Again, .. they keep the dying alive to keep the multy-billion $ drug companies in business. It takes a lot of money to take over the world, didn't you know that? Also it is used as an excuse to bring Agenda 21 to the rescue. Two birds with one stone.

Which is it, keep people alive to buy medicine or poison them to lower population?

What are you talking about, .. I watched the whole thing on TV.

Then you would know that tobacco is proven to be linked to lung cancer by the very studies commissioned in an attempt to show otherwise.

Only 90% don't have cancer, they are told they do so they can get money to kill them.

Nevermind that those who cannot afford treatment do die of cancer.

It is the same principle as Communism.

-Communism was the bloodiest ideology that caused more than 120 million innocent deaths in the 20th century.

Pale in comparison of Agenda 21 which is planning on 6.5 billion deaths, or total human annihilation, .. whichever can be attained first.

-It was a nightmare which promised equality and justice, but which brought only bloodshed, death, torture and fear.

And here we go again.

-From Marx to Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot, the materialist philosophy transforms humans into theorists of violence and masters of cruelty.

And I tell you my friend that whoever the man that brings this Agenda 21 Conspiracy into its fruition will make every other Evil Ruler in history pale in comparison. It can be no other than the man AntiChrist with Satan himself taken possession of a human body and controlling it.

As the Son of God came into the world, took a human form and became the Christ our Savior, Satan himself will take a human form and become our destroyer. His plan, .. total annihilation of every living thing on earth, and he is already using the 'beast' who are destroying every wildlife, trees, fish in the oceans, the birds of the air, and of course torturing babies, slaughtering men and women, slowly killing them with radiation, through prostitution, starvation, all in pretense of saving us. What a snake!

And you still have to nerve to state you "gave up following religious beliefs."

True, not everyone would believe this because satan blinded them with worldly riches and pleasures. But you my friend are reading this (and I pray a lot more here reading this), you have a chance to open your eyes and turn sides! I don't mean turn to some religion, or am offering you any kind of gods of any religion to worship, .. you should know me by now.

I tell you the truth, and if you are even remotely searching for the Absolute truth, then I can point you towards the Gate. It's a narrow gate, and very few people can find it because of all the distractions on the way like the pleasures of the world, religions with all their gods, Large Gates with wider roads leading off to them and so on. But YOU will have to make that effort to go on in.

You can't expect us to believe you without evidence.

As I said, 'you guys' are everyone who supports this Agenda.
If you believe they are putting 'lots' into education, then how do they think this Agenda will work?

By getting you guys to do your part for education too.

If it's an idea, a philosophy, then why didn't they apply it before? See what I mean?

We have been applying it, we need more people to join us.

Who else? No business can exist for even a month without THEIR approval. THEY enjoy seeing us eat this crap, it all goes into their pocket anyways. Like 1% milk, they sell the cream and sell the left over watery-milk too.

I was talking about food expiring. You seem to think milk won't go bad, if not for the one world government. I can find no common ground with you here. Stick to working out how fast people are walking in an airport.

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[Replying to post 38 by arian]

Okay so you quoted a description of agenda 21 and passages from it, but you still haven't shown any evidence of your conspiracy theory.

You'll have to read post 38 again, between the description of Agenda 21.

Okay, I read it again. The parts that were not description from wikipedia were pure speculation with no evidence. Do you have any evidence?

Evidence, .. yes I do, it's Agenda 21, Obama-care, the things I have and continue to observe and am a witness to in everyday life, the pain in my teeth, neck and whole body, .. I could go on..
Unless you call Agenda 21, Obama care and what I have mentioned speculation? Even if I sent you the book, you could still call it speculation just as Holocaust deniers refer to regarding the Holocaust, .. or Zionists regarding the Protocols of Zion, Big bang theorists regarding the existence of a Creator, Evolutionists regarding Creationism. All history books, every article in Wikipedia could be regarded as mere speculations, because my view and understanding may slightly differ from these books and articles. I might know something that is not included in their articles, or their description of history. But so what?

I speculate that you and about a dozen others here on the forum are hired by THEM to suppress Biblical doctrines, to suppress expressions of faith, to silence those of us who know what THEY are up to. That you are here to keep repeating that Evolution is a fact like THEY did with the video loop of fake planes running into the Twin Towers on 9-11, or push that we have an energy crisis, or that Saddam and now Iran is an axis of evil, while you guys present yourselves as 'saviors of the world' with your Agendas.
Why do we speculate this? Because you guys jump to quickly suppress any ideas that rise against your One World Orders bloodthirsty Agendas without really understanding, or even care to understand our views, .. even when we prove you wrong over and over again. Just like Communism or Naziism that could not be allowed to be questioned, or debated by the general public, this Agenda was snuck in hoping that by all the suffering THEY have caused over the years, it would be welcomed as a resolution to these catastrophic problems. It has been just waiting there while the destruction of world economies, resources, biological life both on land and sea, weather modifications that cause destructive weather patterns, chem-trails to heat up the earth, HAARP and nukes to blow a hole in the O-Zone and destroying continues.

Try to debate; are the things you call my speculations true or false, if false show me where and why? Don't just speculate what we speculate, but debate it!

Thanks.

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There is only one way to do that, by killing us exponentially, or advocate gay-marriage more and wait.

Incorrect. There are other ways of doing that. Namely the one I was talking about of lower birth rates.

Wouldn't influencing 90% of the population to become gay lower birth rate? I mean you guys have bee doing a great job of it for a while now, passing gay-marriage laws, prosecuting anti-gay slurerers, .. anti-gay slurer laws, born this way music videos, .. I mean at this rate in a few generations you'll have to turn the modern abortion clinics into fertility clinics, or face extinction.

As if evolution will heed to your or Agenda 21's will? If evolution decides man to go extinct, man will go extinct, and will listen to no god, no will or plan of anyone except evolution, .. remember? So I don't get it, .. why are you fighting it?

Evolution is a natural process, it cannot decide anything. We are not fighting evolutioin, we are fighting extinction.

Any attempt to fight against mother-natures extinction is fighting evolution, or haven't you seen the Jurassic Park movies?

Again, .. I don't get it. If evolution could control and manage animal population explosion for the past billions of years, then where is Almighty evolution now?

Still operating as it has been for the past billions of years obviously.

.. which is extinction by overpopulation for the human race! Why would you want to deny the rest of the apes their line in evolution? Haven't they waited patiently for millions of years swinging in trees? Leave evolution alone, .. it's their turn now, and we shall move on to become one with the universe. Isn't this what Evolution is all about?
"Don't mess with Mother Nature!" remember the commercials?

Wait, .. so this is why you guys push evolution on people, "It is not us, it is evolution that is exterminating you! Just sit down and accept the inevitable!" lol

That's the thing it is NOT inevitable. Hence Agenda 21.

Then a purposeless evolution is a lie! See you just admitted that there has to be a Planner, a Designer, .. someone with an Agenda to have created and maintain biological life especially for us humans, or else it's extinction!
Evolution is the gradual development of something, simple to a more complex form. And that goes right along with what the Bible says Gods plan is, that we evolve from a simple, to a higher, more complex spiritual body! We have an Agenda for not just to save the species from extinction, but to achieve eternal life, and it's all written out and explained in the Bible.

Exactly, and see how content they are? No overpopulation.

You want to live like non humans? I don't.

Why not? We're all one big happy ape family according to your Evolution, except the other apes are not facing extinction, man is from overpopulation. Or that's what this Agenda is telling us anyways.
Why not consider and re-implement Christ's agenda to save man doomed for extinction? He seen it coming over two thousand years ago, and His plan is all written out and already in practically every home in the world. What makes the UN's resolution so much better? Haven't we tried plans like this already and it failed miserably every time? Can a plan of extinction solve our extinction problem?

No, but you are willing to sacrifice other youngsters in your efficient production abortion clinics. Smart, .. real smart.

No one is sacrificed in abortion clinics.

It's the child vs convenience, .. one must be sacrificed, right?

I'm sorry but most 1940's Germans would strongly disagree with you, and so would any Agenda 21 promoters, .. so again you are not being very honest since you are one of those promoters.

Then you are proven false by counter example. I am a Agenda 21 promoters and I don't think death is a cure. It was you infact you who implied it when you stated medicine was counter productive to the problem of overpopulation.

Why keep alive the old sick and dying when this Agenda already conspires to wipe out 90% of human population? Because THEY need the money to make this long planned conspiracy a reality.

Ah yes I forgot, .. you guys changed a lot of definitions in preparation for this agenda.

Heterosexual: two men sharing a bed in marriage

Incorrect. Heterosexual are sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.

Marriage: two men legally sharing the same bed in marriage.

Not exclusive to two men, can be two women or one man and one woman.

Thank you, .. as I said, changed the definition of marriage.

Right, because as you said; death is not a cure. You wouldn't want anyone to die in that clinic now would you? "Abortion Clinic - children are welcome"

If an underage child got into a pregancy, of couse they are welcome.

welcome for what? To kill her underaged child. Can't you see the horror in this? The younger the child, the closer she is to the child she is sacrificing, and for what? Some fairytale delusion that things will be better this way. How did a child get pregnant in the first place? By aborting the baby she is relieving the father of the responsibility, and right back into the very problems that the vultures in the clinic promised to save her from.
Why? Because they KNOW that she'll be back and THEY get money to rip another child apart and also pushing the soul of the young mother deeper in the depths of hell of guilt, regret and shame.

Not children, the main characters in the game.

I know what you said, and you are wrong. The main characters in the game cannot "beat, rape and then finish up by masturbating on their victim before they kill them, right there in plain view of the public."

Yes they can, and much, much worse.

> the rest is circular reasoning, samo-samo with you're short prove it, .. prove it comments.<

I was talking about food expiring. You seem to think milk won't go bad, if not for the one world government. I can find no common ground with you here. Stick to working out how fast people are walking in an airport.

Did I say milk won't go bad? See what I mean, then you'll twist what I answer to this, and again and again, .. circular reasoning, derailment, distorting my words, anything but a straight answer.

Yes, .. let's see how we do observing people walking at the airport? See you there my friend.

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[Replying to post 47 by arian]

Debate what? You are lumping many things together, both real and imaginary, and then claiming that one group is behind all of it without one shred of evidence. Where is the EVIDENCE?