What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[Clownboat]

In the O.T. the old covenant law was for the Jews. Now concerning the new covenant Jesus brought with him, he fulfilled all 613 rules in the law, and for all who believe by faith in this finished work we are under his wing of protection, protected from the judgment of the law. Now concerning those who do not have faith in Christ, they will remain under the 613 laws, both Jews and Gentiles, and those who reject Christ's finished work will be judged by the law. It's sort of like jumping out of a safe position into the sight of 613 marksmen, not all of them are going to miss. "BANG, you're dead."

If I want to believe in Allah, faith is required.
If I want to believe in Bigfoot, faith is required.
If I want to believe in Nessie, faith is required.
If I want to believe in alien human abductions, faith is required.

Faith is a requirement in order to believe that false things are true. Therefore we should use reason in order to accept beliefs, not faith due to its unreliability. The mechanism you allude to cannot be trusted to arrive at truths.

I do admit that the Muslim (for just one example), via faith could just so happen to have placed their faith in the correct god concept, but that would be lucky, not because faith is valid nor trustworthy to arrive at truths.

[Athetotheist]

"What's wrong with being gay?"

I know this is going to land me in hot water with some of my fellow Lefties, but I can't help thinking that the question above is well worth asking those who believe in transgenderism.

If a girl likes doing "boy" things such as getting dirty and playing football, and even if she finds herself attracted to other girls, should she have to identify as a boy? Same with a boy who prefers to stay clean and do macrame and maybe is even attracted to other boys. Must he identify as a girl just because of that? The whole "gender dysphoria" idea seems to be aimed at manipulating young people's normal, natural experience of puberty to make them feel abnormal. To me it smacks of homophobia; it's like they're pushed to pretend to be of the opposite gender so they can pretend to be straight.

Think about it----gay people fought for decades to be recognized as being the way they were born, and now young people enxperiencing the natural turbulence of puberty are inundated with talk of "gender dysphoria" to push them to reject the way they were born----to reject their own bodies. What purpose does that serve, other than creating a market for puberty blockers and mutilative surgery?

And while a lot of people are making a lot of noise about trans rights, I haven't heard a peep from any of them about de-trans rights. Don't those who go back to accepting their biological gender deserve respect and acceptance?

We on the left pride ourselves on our acceptance of science when it comes to evolution and climate change, so why have so many of us jettisoned the science of human biology? Biologically, gender is determined by chromosomes received at conception. We can change the definition of "gender" in the dictionary, but we can also call a tail a leg and a dog will still have four legs. So why do people have to let their sexual orientation and preference in hobbies define their gender?

What's wrong with being gay?

[oldbadger]

"What's wrong with being gay?"

What's wrong with being gay?

I did read all of your post, just wish to answer the one question.

Nothing. There's nothing wrong with being gay at all.
But there are 'free to love' countries and then there are others, and if LGBT people live in any of the others then they must think carefully about their safety and security.

At this time it does seem as if Trump's America is becoming one of the others. I live in the UK and although our leaders have defined gender with regards to some services and sporting competitions, LGBT people do have a right to live happily and safely here.

With regard to security and safety, sometimes it's best for all people to live peacefully and quietly, it doesn't matter whether a person has a valuable collection of (say) jewellery or is (say) a transvestite, people must think about safety and security before they push themselves on to others, or live too loudly. Now let's see how many members get that wrong!

[placebofactor]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

What's wrong with being gay? Everything! It's against the laws of nature and the command of God, that's what's wrong.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #364]

What's wrong with being gay? Everything! It's against the laws of nature and the command of God, that's what's wrong.

If same-sex attraction is unnatural, why is it observed in species throughout nature?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #364]

What's wrong with being gay? Everything! It's against the laws of nature and the command of God, that's what's wrong.

If same-sex attraction is unnatural, why is it observed in species throughout nature?

I knew you would bring up frogs. Maybe the devil made them like that, only kidding!! But please, don't put frogs in the same category as humans who are made in the image and likeness of God; frogs aren't. I would guess in the animal world, 99.95 are male and female only, not bi-sexual perverts.

[oldbadger]

What's wrong with being gay? Everything!

Wrong!
Read on.....

It's against the laws of nature.........

Wrong!
Homosexuality even exists in the natural world. Our delightful Drake woodcut (a Carolina) died recently after a very long life. He lived with many other ducks but took no interest in the females who would lie down beside him in courting gesture, and every spring he fashioned a nest and collected my golf balls in to it, where he sat and guarded them earnestly for about three weeks before giving up and deserting them. Same thing every year.
There are many such examples, you know.

.......and the command of God, that's what's wrong.

And that just leaves you with the above.
Would you like to show me the command of God as you follow it? I must ask because I get so many differing answers.

Over to you....if you can.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #366]

don't put frogs in the same category as humans who are made in the image and likeness of God; frogs aren't.

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made....
(Romans 1:20)

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #366]

don't put frogs in the same category as humans who are made in the image and likeness of God; frogs aren't.

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made....
(Romans 1:20)

I love that verse when, and only when it's put into the correct context.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #369]

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made....
(Romans 1:20)

I love that verse when, and only when it's put into the correct context.

In what context are God's attributes in the world not clearly understood by the things that are made?