Christians and Guns

[boatsnguitars]

Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those:
111 people are shot and killed
210 survive gunshot injuries
95 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
42 are murdered
65 die from gun suicide
10 survive an attempted gun suicide
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally and survive
1 is killed by legal intervention*
4 are shot by legal intervention and survive
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot and survive but the intent was unknown

DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (1-17)
Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:
5 die from gun violence
3 are murdered
17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide
8 children and teens are unintentionally shot in instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death

ANNUAL GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING PEOPLE OF ALL AGES IN THE U.S.
Every year, 117,345 people are shot. Among those:
40,620 people die from gun violence
15,343 are murdered
76,725 people survive gunshot injuries
34,566 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
23,891 die from gun suicide
3,554 survive an attempted gun suicide
492 killed unintentionally
547 are killed by legal intervention
1,376 are shot by legal intervention and survive
347 die but the intent was unknown
4,471 are shot and survive but the intent is unknown
547 women are killed by their husband or male dating partner**

ANNUAL GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (AGES 1-17)
Every year, 7,957 children and teens are shot in the United States. Among those:
1839 children and teens die from gun violence
992 are murdered
6,294 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
2,788 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
693 die from gun suicide
166 survive an attempted gun suicide
10 are killed by legal intervention
101 are shot by legal intervention and survive
99 are killed unintentionally
2,893 are shot unintentionally and survive
38 die but the intent was unknown
380 are and survive shot but the intent is unknown



WWJD? Nothing?

[Diogenes]

The trouble with guns in the USA is that there are more swilling about the country than there are people, and so any gun controls won't stop anybody from obtaining a gun for many generations to come. Anybody can get a gun in the USA, and for that reason I have to say that if I lived in the USA I really would want my wife to have a gun. I would! I hope you can understand that.

Guns in the USA and any extreme fundamental far-right-wing Christianity are two sicknesses that are going to be hard to reduce, sadly.

I just wish you had the perspective of history to balance your thoughts here. Small avoidable tragedies every day are better than mass genocidal tragedies. The biggest killer of human beings after mosquitoes is government.

The amazing obtuseness of such a remark is more than astounding. Setting aside the absurd comparison of guns and government to mosquitoes, as well as the FACT that government in the person of doctor and Major Reed and the United States Army virtually eradicated yellow fever and the mosquito that bore the [God designed] disease so the Panama Canal could be built. https://armyhistory.org/major-walter-re ... low-fever/

... Let us turn to the many proposals for gun control advanced by Democrats, Independents, and even the majority of Republican voters AND successfully implemented in Australia.
Republican leadership refuses to consider ANY of them while gun violence continues to be the #1 cause of death in children in the U.S. https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press ... d-nations/

So, what does Republican leadership propose in the wake of the latest mass shooting (in Maine) and manhunt?
Prayer. Yes, you read that correctly, prayer. That's it, from the newly elected Christian Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
https://www.wdbj7.com/2023/10/26/mike-j ... ges-ahead/
https://apnews.com/article/congress-spe ... 59594a277b

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Prayer is good for exactly one thing, making people feel better while they do absolutely nothing.

[Wootah]

The trouble with guns in the USA is that there are more swilling about the country than there are people, and so any gun controls won't stop anybody from obtaining a gun for many generations to come. Anybody can get a gun in the USA, and for that reason I have to say that if I lived in the USA I really would want my wife to have a gun. I would! I hope you can understand that.

Guns in the USA and any extreme fundamental far-right-wing Christianity are two sicknesses that are going to be hard to reduce, sadly.

I just wish you had the perspective of history to balance your thoughts here. Small avoidable tragedies every day are better than mass genocidal tragedies. The biggest killer of human beings after mosquitoes is government.

The amazing obtuseness of such a remark is more than astounding. Setting aside the absurd comparison of guns and government to mosquitoes, as well as the FACT that government in the person of doctor and Major Reed and the United States Army virtually eradicated yellow fever and the mosquito that bore the [God designed] disease so the Panama Canal could be built. https://armyhistory.org/major-walter-re ... low-fever/

... Let us turn to the many proposals for gun control advanced by Democrats, Independents, and even the majority of Republican voters AND successfully implemented in Australia.
Republican leadership refuses to consider ANY of them while gun violence continues to be the #1 cause of death in children in the U.S. https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press ... d-nations/

So, what does Republican leadership propose in the wake of the latest mass shooting (in Maine) and manhunt?
Prayer. Yes, you read that correctly, prayer. That's it, from the newly elected Christian Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
https://www.wdbj7.com/2023/10/26/mike-j ... ges-ahead/
https://apnews.com/article/congress-spe ... 59594a277b

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Prayer is good for exactly one thing, making people feel better while they do absolutely nothing.

No one is arguing that war isn't the mother of invention. Are you pro war?

If you allowed yourself to pray to God for others, to actually have a heart for others and we did that on scale you might see the value. But you are now arguing for war so ... continue.

[Diogenes]

The trouble with guns in the USA is that there are more swilling about the country than there are people, and so any gun controls won't stop anybody from obtaining a gun for many generations to come. Anybody can get a gun in the USA, and for that reason I have to say that if I lived in the USA I really would want my wife to have a gun. I would! I hope you can understand that.

Guns in the USA and any extreme fundamental far-right-wing Christianity are two sicknesses that are going to be hard to reduce, sadly.

I just wish you had the perspective of history to balance your thoughts here. Small avoidable tragedies every day are better than mass genocidal tragedies. The biggest killer of human beings after mosquitoes is government.

The amazing obtuseness of such a remark is more than astounding. Setting aside the absurd comparison of guns and government to mosquitoes, as well as the FACT that government in the person of doctor and Major Reed and the United States Army virtually eradicated yellow fever and the mosquito that bore the [God designed] disease so the Panama Canal could be built. https://armyhistory.org/major-walter-re ... low-fever/

... Let us turn to the many proposals for gun control advanced by Democrats, Independents, and even the majority of Republican voters AND successfully implemented in Australia.
Republican leadership refuses to consider ANY of them while gun violence continues to be the #1 cause of death in children in the U.S. https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press ... d-nations/

So, what does Republican leadership propose in the wake of the latest mass shooting (in Maine) and manhunt?
Prayer. Yes, you read that correctly, prayer. That's it, from the newly elected Christian Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
https://www.wdbj7.com/2023/10/26/mike-j ... ges-ahead/
https://apnews.com/article/congress-spe ... 59594a277b

__________________________________________

Prayer is good for exactly one thing, making people feel better while they do absolutely nothing.

No one is arguing that war isn't the mother of invention. Are you pro war?

If you allowed yourself to pray to God for others, to actually have a heart for others and we did that on scale you might see the value. But you are now arguing for war so ... continue.

Congratulations!
You completely ignored every point of my post and substituted a "pro war" question. You offer ZERO evidence prayer works, yet you still recommend it. You are living proof that intelligent people reject religion as a world view.

[Wootah]

The trouble with guns in the USA is that there are more swilling about the country than there are people, and so any gun controls won't stop anybody from obtaining a gun for many generations to come. Anybody can get a gun in the USA, and for that reason I have to say that if I lived in the USA I really would want my wife to have a gun. I would! I hope you can understand that.

Guns in the USA and any extreme fundamental far-right-wing Christianity are two sicknesses that are going to be hard to reduce, sadly.

I just wish you had the perspective of history to balance your thoughts here. Small avoidable tragedies every day are better than mass genocidal tragedies. The biggest killer of human beings after mosquitoes is government.

The amazing obtuseness of such a remark is more than astounding. Setting aside the absurd comparison of guns and government to mosquitoes, as well as the FACT that government in the person of doctor and Major Reed and the United States Army virtually eradicated yellow fever and the mosquito that bore the [God designed] disease so the Panama Canal could be built. https://armyhistory.org/major-walter-re ... low-fever/

... Let us turn to the many proposals for gun control advanced by Democrats, Independents, and even the majority of Republican voters AND successfully implemented in Australia.
Republican leadership refuses to consider ANY of them while gun violence continues to be the #1 cause of death in children in the U.S. https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press ... d-nations/

So, what does Republican leadership propose in the wake of the latest mass shooting (in Maine) and manhunt?
Prayer. Yes, you read that correctly, prayer. That's it, from the newly elected Christian Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
https://www.wdbj7.com/2023/10/26/mike-j ... ges-ahead/
https://apnews.com/article/congress-spe ... 59594a277b

__________________________________________

Prayer is good for exactly one thing, making people feel better while they do absolutely nothing.

No one is arguing that war isn't the mother of invention. Are you pro war?

If you allowed yourself to pray to God for others, to actually have a heart for others and we did that on scale you might see the value. But you are now arguing for war so ... continue.

Congratulations!
You completely ignored every point of my post and substituted a "pro war" question. You offer ZERO evidence prayer works, yet you still recommend it. You are living proof that intelligent people reject religion as a world view.

You posted about a doctor using a war situation and discovering something. I think that is quite horrific to think that war justifies any discovery that happens. Why not then also concede that violence is useful and shooting tragedies might permit ingenuity (which is probably true)?

[oldbadger]

No one is arguing that war isn't the mother of invention. Are you pro war?

War causes some invention, but it is not it's mother.
You can't pop in such a straw man for the purposes of attempting to prove that supporters of invention all support war because that isn't true.

If you allowed yourself to pray to God for others,

Which particular God? I wouldn't bother praying to the deity that I acknowledge because it is completely unaware of us.

to actually have a heart for others and we did that on scale you might see the value. But you are now arguing for war so ... continue.

Wrong........ all supporters of invention don't support war.
But Christians? Wow! They've started as many as any other groups of people.

[otseng]

You are living proof that intelligent people reject religion as a world view.[/size]

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[boatsnguitars]

The trouble with guns in the USA is that there are more swilling about the country than there are people, and so any gun controls won't stop anybody from obtaining a gun for many generations to come. Anybody can get a gun in the USA, and for that reason I have to say that if I lived in the USA I really would want my wife to have a gun. I would! I hope you can understand that.

Guns in the USA and any extreme fundamental far-right-wing Christianity are two sicknesses that are going to be hard to reduce, sadly.

I just wish you had the perspective of history to balance your thoughts here. Small avoidable tragedies every day are better than mass genocidal tragedies. The biggest killer of human beings after mosquitoes is government.

The amazing obtuseness of such a remark is more than astounding. Setting aside the absurd comparison of guns and government to mosquitoes, as well as the FACT that government in the person of doctor and Major Reed and the United States Army virtually eradicated yellow fever and the mosquito that bore the [God designed] disease so the Panama Canal could be built. https://armyhistory.org/major-walter-re ... low-fever/

... Let us turn to the many proposals for gun control advanced by Democrats, Independents, and even the majority of Republican voters AND successfully implemented in Australia.
Republican leadership refuses to consider ANY of them while gun violence continues to be the #1 cause of death in children in the U.S. https://www.kff.org/health-reform/press ... d-nations/

So, what does Republican leadership propose in the wake of the latest mass shooting (in Maine) and manhunt?
Prayer. Yes, you read that correctly, prayer. That's it, from the newly elected Christian Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
https://www.wdbj7.com/2023/10/26/mike-j ... ges-ahead/
https://apnews.com/article/congress-spe ... 59594a277b

__________________________________________

Prayer is good for exactly one thing, making people feel better while they do absolutely nothing.

No one is arguing that war isn't the mother of invention. Are you pro war?

If you allowed yourself to pray to God for others, to actually have a heart for others and we did that on scale you might see the value. But you are now arguing for war so ... continue.

What a completely uncharitable way to interpret what he said.
"Do unto others..." You do know there is more to that sentence?

[Wootah]

[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #37]

Did you read how amazingly obtuse I am?

[boatsnguitars]

BTW, another mass shooting and again, Christians defend the gun. When will they mourn the deaths?

[Wootah]

BTW, another mass shooting and again, Christians defend the gun. When will they mourn the deaths?

Taken from a google search

False dilemma fallacy is also known as false dichotomy, false binary, and “either-or” fallacy. It is the fallacy of presenting only two choices, outcomes, or sides to an argument as the only possibilities, when more are available.30 May 2023
https://www.scribbr.com › fallacies
False Dilemma Fallacy | Examples & Definition - Scribbr

Now my turn.

When will you stop secretly celebrating tragedy so that you can use it to push your agenda?

No need to reply.